Right AV receiver for Sony Shake 6D Speakers

[adikumar2010]

I have Sony Shake 6D .
Specifications
User Manual

Problem is that the AV Receiver is busted and can't be repaired by Sony, now I wanted to build a custom home theater setup 5.2 or 7.2
But I am not sure which AV receiver are their in the market which will work with those speakers as they are very high power rated.

My plan is to use these existing speaker as front left/right channel and it has 2 sub-woofer already in the unit also.

Please suggest a suitable AV receiver under $1000 which can power these speakers. Also please let me know what center and rear channel speaker would be fine with those Sony 6D speakers under $800 for all the remaining speakers

Specs of 6D speakers :

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

How much is this whole AVR/Speaker system?

I'm not familiar with this system.

Is it a Karaoke system?

Might be better off replacing the whole system, but this time, buy each component separately.

 

[adikumar2010]

How much is this whole AVR/Speaker system?

I'm not familiar with this system.

Is it a Karaoke system?

Might be better off replacing the whole system, but this time, buy each component separately.

It is a hifi music system 2400RMS looks like this : Sony Shake 6D, it has Karaoke too but don't need it

These speakers are very powerful I just don't want to throw them into the bin coz they do give sick music output. Problem is I can't find any AV Receiver with 4 Ohm impedance. These speakers will work as front channel and sub-woofer for home theater so I don't need to spend money on buying those speakers & sub separately.

What will happen if I use these 4 ohm speaker on a 6 ohm Amp ?
Also in the spec sheet it says 2400 watts, but what's the actual RMS is it 2400W or 1400W? as I don't know what rated and reference means

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

What will happen if I use these 4 ohm speaker on a 6 ohm Amp ?

As PENG, our AH Electrical Engineer, puts it, in theory, according to Ohm's Law, any amp can power even a 1 ohm impedance if the volume is low enough.

IOW, just start at a low volume and slowly increase the volume.

Most AVRs have protection circuits (Yamaha AVR's have very stringent protection circuits) that will force the AVR to go into protection mode if it cannot handle the speakers' load.

What is the cost of these speakers? The spec on the speakers doesn't say much except that they are "4 ohms".

If you are willing to spend $1,000 on an AVR, I assume these speakers are like $2,000/pair and not $200/pair?

In general, most AVRs (especially in the $1,000 range) will be able to power most 4 ohms speakers. So I wouldn't worry too much.

Personally, I like Yamaha. But other members also like Marantz, Denon, and Sony.

 

[adikumar2010]

As PENG, our AH Electrical Engineer, puts it, in theory, according to Ohm's Law, any amp can power even a 1 ohm impedance if the volume is low enough.

IOW, just start at a low volume and slowly increase the volume.

Most AVRs have protection circuits (Yamaha AVR's have very stringent protection circuits) that will force the AVR to go into protection mode if it cannot handle the speakers' load.

What is the cost of these speakers? The spec on the speakers doesn't say much except that they are "4 ohms".

If you are willing to spend $1,000 on an AVR, I assume these speakers are like $2,000/pair and not $200/pair?

In general, most AVRs (especially in the $1,000 range) will be able to power most 4 ohms speakers. So I wouldn't worry too much.

Personally, I like Yamaha. But other members also like Marantz, Denon, and Sony.

I am willing to spend max $1000 on 5.2 or 7.2 AVR receiver for my new setup.

These Sony Shake 6D speakers cost about $800 for everything. Now I am trying to assemble new home theater and I want to use these speakers to work as front channel and sub-woofer as it will save me lot of money on buying brand new front and sub-woofer separately.

But I have some concerns :
1) I am not sure if they are 1400W RMS total as written in spec sheet. Problem is if I can't know the exact RMS then how will I be able to buy the right amplifier to power them !!

2) Also these speaker should suffice as front channel and 2 sub-woofer as they have separate cable for both inputs. But the problem could be that I need really humongous rear/center channel speakers also to match them but what if I tweak the power output settings in the amplifier to make these Sony speakers run at lower power/decibels then rest of the center/rear speakers so they don't over power the remaining center/rear speakers?

3) Also each sub-woofer has 4 wires not sure how will I even connect to any AV receiver (image below)

Blue one has 4 wires and is for sub-woofer only.
Medium size White one has 2 wires and is for woofer/tweeter
Tiny white one is for LED which is just for lights

Also I don't understand how will I connect 4 sub-woofer wires to the new AV receiver?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I wouldn't trust any specs coming from this system.

And I wouldn't lose any sleep over those specs.

Most $800 Home-Theater-In-A-Box don't usually have great quality components.

If you want to keep using these speakers, I would just get any cheap amp you can get your hands on.

If you want a great or very good system, it's probably best to start over from scratch.

If the budget is not high, then I would go with bookshelf speakers + sub + AVR.

Where are you located? In the US or Asia?

 

[adikumar2010]

I wouldn't trust any specs coming from this system.

And I wouldn't lose any sleep over those specs.

Most $800 Home-Theater-In-A-Box don't usually have great quality components.

If you want to keep using these speakers, I would just get any cheap amp you can get your hands on.

If you want a great or very good system, it's probably best to start over from scratch.

If the budget is not high, then I would go with bookshelf speakers + sub + AVR.

Where are you located? In the US or Asia?

I live in India. Also what's with the wiring of the sub-woofer they are 4 wires per channel but on back of Amplifier we can only plug 2 ?

And what's the downside of using these big Sony speakers as front channel and sub-woofer for the new HT setup?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I live in India. Also what's with the wiring of the sub-woofer they are 4 wires per channel but on back of Amplifier we can only plug 2 ?

And what's the downside of using these big Sony speakers as front channel and sub-woofer for the new HT setup?

I don't know about that Subwoofer wiring. Not sure how you would connect that to an AVR or amp.

You can use those speakers. It's a personal choice.

 

[lovinthehd]

Found a manual for the set and it's not very helpful at a glance. The "subwoofers" appear to refer to the larger woofer in a 3-way speaker. Are the amps possibly in these speakers themselves (i.e. active speakers)? The specs are definitely wildly inflated, like the PMPO rating it provides. You might be able to utilize the current proprietary connectors on the speaker end but you won't find a normal avr using them, nor would a normal avr provide amplification for a "subwoofer" as modern avrs expect you to utilize an active subwoofer, altho you might be able to rig something using an avr's "bi-amp" feature. Doubt a modern avr would handle the "lighting" in these speakers, either. Personally I'd just start over altogether with speakers and receiver....

 

[adikumar2010]

If I buy a 5.2 or 7.2 AVR with (2 Line Out/Pre-Out Sub Woofer) then do I need to add another amplifier to drive the sub-woofer unit of my Sony Shake 6D speakers?

 

[lovinthehd]

If I buy a 5.2 or 7.2 AVR with (2 Line Out/Pre-Out Sub Woofer) then do I need to add another amplifier to drive the sub-woofer unit of my Sony Shake 6D speakers?

Possibly. You sure the speaker and "subwoofer" portion are passive? Sometimes there's amplification in the speaker/sub units with these HTIB/Karaoke type units.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I'd just start over altogether with speakers and receiver....

That's what I've been trying to say.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

The ENTIRE system retails $800, so street price is probably a lot less.

Why even bother trying to salvage it?

Keeping the subwoofer inside this speaker?

Start over from scratch.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

If we think the specs for the US AVR are bad (which they are), just take a look at the specs for the AVR in Asia and Europe.

 

[lovinthehd]

If we think the specs for the US AVR are bad (which they are), just take a look at the specs for the AVR in Asia and Europe.

Yep, don't usually PMPO specs for stuff very often....26,400 W for this one! Wow!

 

[adikumar2010]

So even if I buy a Home-Theater-In-A-Box for movies & games separately.

Is there any way I can use these left over Sony speakers, coz I really like them for music?

 

[lovinthehd]

Without knowing more hard to know.

 

[adikumar2010]

Without knowing more hard to know.

I tried to open the speaker but its too tight and I was damaging trying to force open. What I will do is post image of the inside of the AV receiver when I get it back from Sony service center maybe then you could tell me if amplifier is built-in the speaker or AVR and also where the cross-over is located.

There are 4 wires coming out from the sub but they are joining into 2 connectors ultimately, so it might be possible that they have just split the wires into 2 each for positive and negative terminal rather then using a thicker wire.

What do you think?

Also do you know the reason behind "Protect E03" error on the AVR even without speaker connected, now service center technician said that it is fault in the motherboard and they don't have replacement mobo for it. Also they said they can't do component level repair to make it work.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

26,400 W for this one! Wow!

I loss a little more respect for Sony after seeing these specs.

Is there a different "watt" or "electrical currency" for Asia-Sony vs USA, like the money currency conversion?

Maybe 26,400W for Asia-Sony = 26.4W in USA?

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Is there any way I can use these left over Sony speakers, coz I really like them for music?

If the speakers have the usual binding posts where you can connect speaker cables or bare wires to them, then you should be able to use them on any AVR/amp.

Show us a picture of the back of the speakers - the part where the wires connect the speakers.