Pass Thru Signal On AVR ?

BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
This feature should not require HDMI-CEC at all and is a stupid way for Pioneer to do things.

Really, you just should do it the way Denon and Yamaha (I believe) do. That is, with a Denon receiver I recently played with, when you turn off the A/V receiver it goes into pass-through mode. It passes both audio and video through the receiver to the TV. The Denon I played with allowed two different modes of this. You could either do 'last source', which means if you left it on Blu-ray, that's what went through, or it could do 'Fixed' in which you picked a source (such as cable TV) which was always fed when the A/V receiver was powered off.

This is a new feature from Denon and has nothing to do with CEC at all. It just works. Since the source is spitting audio and video down the HDMI cable, the only real change is that the EDID will typically change from supporting full surround sound, to stereo only when you turn off the A/V receiver and it takes a half a minute for the HDCP and EDID to be renegotiated.

CEC was given an award when it came out, but has completely failed to be properly managed, engineered, or thought out and enforced. This has led to huge incompatibility issues. When thrown in with such poorly implemented schemes as ARC and Ethernet over HDMI, you end up with a bunch of features that make things worse, instead of better.

EDIT:
Compare how page 73 of this manual reads for 'Standby Through'
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/StaticFiles/Manuals/Home/SC-37_OperatingInstructions0928.pdf
Now read page 138 of this:
http://usa.denon.com/DocumentMaster/US/Owners Manaul - English_AVR-X2000.pdf

The difference is night and day with the Denon being extremely straightforward in operation and 100% compatible with all HDMI displays.
 
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sawzalot

sawzalot

Audioholic Samurai
I agree that this is truly a piss poor design by pioneer and I can only blame myself for not trying this setup a lot sooner than now as I would have surely taken this unit back and looked for something different to serve my needs, now to figure out a way around it without changing out receivers so that I can put my cabinet back together.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
If you are shooting to use the cable box only, then perhaps running HDMI to the receiver with digital audio through Toslink and the HDMI through a splitter (1x2). Your surround sound will have to come from the digital audio connection, not HDMI, as the EDID will force the cable box HDMI audio down to stereo, but the toslink should still provide surround sound. This way you get a HDMI connection straight to the TV, which you will need to do through a separate HDMI connection, or by using a HDMI switch (good universal remote necessary!). It ends up being somewhat convoluted no matter what. In my pretty little Crestron world I would just program a switch after the A/V receiver to jump between the HDMI connection from the A/V receiver and the HDMI connection from the cable box after a splitter. One input on the TV is used, and the remote handles as the switching necessary.

Of course, in my world, we also ALWAYS use the A/V receiver... always. Since it's no more complex to use the A/V receiver than anything else because the remote control makes it easy to use, it has rendered the TV speakers completely pointless.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
At the end of the day, this is the real issue with this:

...sometimes wifey would not want the whole system up and running...
The whole system should always be in use. That's why it is there. It makes news, kids shows, etc. play clearer at lower volumes with fuller sound. There is no excuse that has ever been said (ever) which justifies not using the quality audio which is in place other than it being overly complex to use.

In which case, you need a good remote. A REALLY good remote.
 
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