Seth=L said:
They are heavy in comparison to Denon, Onkyo, and Yamaha, which was the the receivers being discussed.
Why is it we are looking for Maximum input, aren't maximum inputs usually unrealistic.
The Outlaw has a larger power supply than the other receivers discussed (Yamaha, Denon...ect.) I would think that it would likely have a larger maximum input power anyway.
Let me try to answer your question as follow:
1) The 1000W for the Outlaw 1070 you yourself quoted appeared to be the maximum input. So you should ask yourself the question.
Please also follow this link
http://www.outlawaudio.com/products/1070.html and see it for yourself, but let me quote:
"Power Consumption
Standby Power Off : 1.9W
Standby Power On : 37W
7 CH Load @ 65W Output Power : 855W
Trigger Output Sequential Delay 50 mA @ 12 VDC
Dimensions
(HxWxD) 5.9”x17.2”x15.5”
Weight 40 lbs."
2) I never said Outlaw products are not heavier than Denon, Yamaha etc., I simply said they were not that heavy neither. The 1070 weighs 40 lbs, that is in the same ball park (yes, heavier, consider it is rated lower) as a Yamaha RX-V2700 or Denon AVR3806. The 1070 is rated 7X65W but that must be ACD so for 1,2, or 3 channel I would think they could put out much more. As others have cited before, and marketing hype aside, a 7.1 amp that is capable of producing 2, or 3X100W but only 7X55W, is dynamically more powerful than an amp that can do, say 65W ACD (7X85) but only 80X2 or 80X3. I am sure Gene can, and has explained this before time and again. By the way Denon/Yamaha 3806/2700 actually does quite well in ACD output.
3) I agree with you that people should not just look at the maximum power consumption, but looking at the so call "input power" or "power consumption" at the back plane as you apparently did, is no better. You asked why, ok let me stick to your example and use Outlaw as reference for the moment. Check the following out yourself at their site.
4) 1070 manual page 24, on the picture of the back plane it says power consumption 1000W but on page 51, its says Power Consumption @ Full Load 855W
maximum.
5) 7125 manual page 6 on the picture of the back plane it just says 1440W (with no reference as to whether it is input, consumption, maximum or whatever), but on page 10 it says Power requirement 1200W
maximum.
6) 7075 manual page 4, on the back plane it just say 1200W (again with no qualifications) and on page 10 it say Power Requirement 1200W. (Same as back plane in this case)
So having seen the above Outlaw numbers, one may conclude that the number on the back plane are in fact "maximum", so I am afraid you actually quoted the maximum power consumption yourself.
Now let's throw in the HK example I quoted before:
7) HKAVR245 (7.1 receiver):
Power Consumption: 540W maximum (5 channels driven)
AC Input: 390W
Weight: 30 lbs
8) HKAVR240 (7.1 receiver):
Power Consumption: 540W maximum (6 channels driven)
AC Input: 350W
Weight: 34.5 lbs
9) HKAVR340
P.64 - Power Consumption:890W maximum,
P.8 - AC Input: 370W
Weight: 30.6 lbs
So Seth, can you see what I mean, that there isn't much consistency in how they convey their power consumption/input (I consider power consumption and power input are the same thing, just different names) specifications??
Denon and Yamaha, especially Denon, do seem to be a little more consistent (but not clearly defined neither, just consistent across their model line up) in how they present their power consumption specifications but they do tend to be more aggressive with their power output numbers. One more point, when comparing weight, it can be tricky too because the product weight and the ship weight difference could be anywhere between 5 to 8 lbs. HK does specify both, but their product weight may include the remote and the batteries. Most others do not so you can't be sure whether their numbers are for the receiver itself only.
