Need some guidance please

[Audiosaur]

As for receivers, both the Yamaha and the Marantz will sound great. You mentioned the flagships for both brands. What do you think you're getting with that level vs what you'd get with the next level down?

Don't get me wrong, if you want to spend the money, you'll make the economy that much stronger. Peace. Just trying to understand what benefit you're looking for. If it's more power, yes, you'll get a bit of that. It'll give you a db more. There aren't many other appreciable differences that I can see for the few hundreds more $.

 

[lovinthehd]

Well, I had planned on sticking with the same brand. But how much better performance would any of those other brand subs offer me over a Klipsch?

I'm looking for good bass, something that packs a solid punch, but I wasn't looking for earth shattering throw me into the next room kinda bass. I want the bass to nicely complete the mids and highs of my music, not be over bearing if that helps.

As far as genre of music I listen to, virtually everything except country. From rock, metal, blues, jazz, a little classical from time to time, movie soundtracks, electronic, dance, R&B to Hip Hop. And of course audio when watching movies.

I did go to my local audio/video store (not a box store) and listened to the Klipsch subwoofer they had and it sounded pretty good to me. I don't have stores in my area that sell those brands you speak of (although I seen the SVS brand mentioned before) to do a listening test.

You'll have to educate me why these others are much better please.

As far as receivers, which of the two I mentioned in my last reply would anyone recommend?

The integration of the sub into your system is what will provide the best response/matching to your speakers, not particularly that the Klipsch sub is somehow mated to your speakers because they're the same brand; Klipsch is not particularly favored in sub-world at all, altho their newest R-112SW or R-115SW models are okay if you get a good price. Sub specialists usually offer better performance/value...I'd point you to SVS, Rythmik, Hsu, Power Sound Audio (and if you have the money Seaton and Funk), or even DIY. I diy now and do own a Klipsch RW12d (but it's not the main use setups, it's in a spare bedroom).

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Yeah, and the other subs will have better damping, driver control, lower q, etc.
for receivers, I'd buy the marantz.

 

[Lord_Beelzebub]

The last receiver I bought (my current receiver) was probably 12+ years ago. A bit outdated to today's standards. My current receiver doesn't even have HDMI inputs/outputs, much less wifi/blu-tooth, networking, internet radio capabilities. My current receiver does none of this modern stuff. Virtually all the connections on my current receiver are RCA, S-Video or component, but does have a couple audio optical connections of which I use them for my 5.1 surround with my PS4 for playing games and watching movies. And I have a turn table hooked up to it, but that's all I use it for.

I don't plan on dropping $1500-$2500 every couple years on the lastest and greatest receiver. I realize some people do and I appreciate that. But my thinking is...since I haven't upgraded in so many years, if I got top of the line now with the latest features with all the different Dolby technologies, I'd be set and satisfied for another 10 years.

No, I don't need the flagship models and have been looking at older models of each and they could suffice, but I was also looking at expandabity in the future if I wanted to and thought today's flagship models might better fit that possibility.

I understand what you're saying though.

As far as subs, I will research the three other brands mentioned earlier in more detail. I think my first choice would be SVS. What would be a comparable model to the Klipsch 12in sub I was going to get?

 

[lovinthehd]

Dunno which 12inch Klipsch sub you were looking at nor your budget for a sub....and I mentioned 6 sub brands

Denon and Marantz both have nice comparison tools IIRC, just load up the top model and start working your way down and see where the features actually drop off that you're concerned about.

 

[Lord_Beelzebub]

I was planning on getting the Klipsch R-112SW subwoofer. If I decided to get SVS brand instead, what would be a similar model?

I've seen SVS is good but don't know the differences in their models.

I need to do more research.


*Edit*. Looks like I'm looking at either the SB 2000 or the PB 2000 series for the SVS brand. Looks like the only difference between those two is the PB is ported?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

How big is the room? The ported subwoofer will have more output but will be bigger. The SB2000 is an excellent little sub, but will struggle in a room that's too big for it.

 

[Lord_Beelzebub]

I just got done chatting with someone at SVS telling him my room size, and media applications.

I told him my room size is approximately 12x14x8, carpeted floor, no wall treatments yet, flat ceiling. Turning it into a dedicated movie/music room where I also play games with PS4. I said I listen to all genres of music. I said I wanted a sub with good thumping tight bass but not overpowering and unnatural sounding. I also told him the RP-280F speakers I have.

Based on all that, he recommended the SB 2000 model.

Thoughts? Would the PB 2000 be better since it's ported and has lower frequency response or would that be overkill and overpowering and I should go with his recommendation?

 

[Pogre]

I just got done chatting with someone at SVS telling him my room size, and media applications.

I told him my room size is approximately 12x14x8, carpeted floor, no wall treatments yet, flat ceiling. Turning it into a dedicated movie/music room where I also play games with PS4. I said I listen to all genres of music. I said I wanted a sub with good thumping tight bass but not overpowering and unnatural sounding. I also told him the RP-280F speakers I have.

Based on all that, he recommended the SB 2000 model.

Thoughts? Would the PB 2000 be better since it's ported and has lower frequency response or would that be overkill and overpowering and I should go with his recommendation?

It would only be overpowering if you turn it (the sub itself) up too loud. I have a pair of 15" subwoofers in my system and they're blended very nicely. not overpowering at all.

 

[Lord_Beelzebub]

He either recommended the SB because of my room size or because I told him I wanted tight bass and I've since heard SB's are excellent for 2 channel music. But I will also be watching a lot of movies, are the ported PB's better suited for that or will the SB's be just as good?

Not sure whether to go with sealed or ported at this point.

 

[Pogre]

He either recommended the SB because of my room size or because I told him I wanted tight bass and I've since heard SB's are excellent for 2 channel music. But I will also be watching a lot of movies, are the ported PB's better suited for that or will the SB's be just as good?

Not sure whether to go with sealed or ported at this point.

I was in camp sealed for a long time, but have since discovered that ported not only sounds good for music listening, you also get a little more output and frequency extension. I would go with the PB myself.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Well, it could be overpowering if you set it up that way. Personally I would go ported but that's my preference. Also having owned an sb2k can say I'd be looking for more.

 

[Lord_Beelzebub]

Alright, thanks for the advise. Looks like I'll go with an SVS for the sub for sure.

As far as receivers, leaning toward the marantz.

Thanks guys for your help, truly appreciate it. I'm happy I could come out here and get solid advice. If there is anything else you can think of that would help me, don't hesitate to reply or shoot me an IM.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Alright, thanks for the advise. Looks like I'll go with an SVS for the sub for sure.

As far as receivers, leaning toward the marantz.

Thanks guys for your help, truly appreciate it. I'm happy I could come out here and get solid advice. If there is anything else you can think of that would help me, don't hesitate to reply or shoot me an IM.

I definitely appreciate that svs doesn't try to upsell you. My opinion is still to go ported. I agree with @Pogre that ported(well designed ones anyway) is just as good for music. With the added benefit of better deep bass output. This should help curb common symptom upgraditis too. The only advantage IMO is size factor for sealed. I also think people make too much out of room gain benefits and in order to sealed correctly you need tons of power/excursion/EQ. $$$
These are just my opinions and may reflect some of the other guys too or maybe not. Either way, you'll get a great subwoofer with the best CS on the planet.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I have been looking at a DENON AVR-X7200WA Receiver..

Might wait for the X7300 when it comes out or get the new X6300 since these new AVRs have the new Audyssey Editor App to fine tune.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

As far as receivers, leaning toward the marantz.

I also personally recommend Denon/Marantz over the other AVRs.

Both Marantz & Denon belong to the same company, but you usually get a better price deal on Denon for the same features for both new release AVR and previous year models.

For example, Amazon and Fry's are notorious for have close to 50% off sales on previous year models on Denon, so the X3000 series would be like $599 brand new, and the X4000 series would be like $799 brand new.

 

[Pogre]

Looks like you're wanting a little higher up the food chain, but the Marantz SR6011 has all of the features mentioned above and it's going for $899 on AC4L with a 3 year warranty. I take delivery of mine today.

 

[Lord_Beelzebub]

I definitely appreciate that svs doesn't try to upsell you. My opinion is still to go ported. I agree with @Pogre that ported(well designed ones anyway) is just as good for music. With the added benefit of better deep bass output. This should help curb common symptom upgraditis too. The only advantage IMO is size factor for sealed. I also think people make too much out of room gain benefits and in order to sealed correctly you need tons of power/excursion/EQ. $$$
These are just my opinions and may reflect some of the other guys too or maybe not. Either way, you'll get a great subwoofer with the best CS on the planet.

I appreciated that as well, listened to me and responded with an appropriate product that fits my needs and situation rather than trying to milk money from me and get me to buy the most expensive thing they can.

Companies always earn respect from me when they are fair and honest.

 

[Lord_Beelzebub]

Sorry for the double post, I have another question in regards to subwoofer cable that will be connected to the receiver. Can you guys give me some recommendations on a good cable to get assuming I'll be buying an SVS sub?

Obviously right now I don't know the optimum placement of where the sub will need to go in the room for optimal performance, so how long of a cable should I purchasing assuming i probably need to move it around to find the sweet spot?

 

[PENG]

I have been looking at a DENON AVR-X7200WA Receiver It's got excellent reviews on this web site and others. I've seen for $1800 with a 3 year warranty (Denon Factory Refurbished).

I've been trying to compare to a Yamaha CX A5100 which is a A/V Processor. I do have a 3 ch B&K amp and a Adcom 2 ch amp (both at 200W/ch). Both Yamaha and Denon are about the same price for me. I want to run an Atmos setup. (5.2.4 or 7.2.4) so If I purchased the Yamaha I would need an additional amp. If I went with Denon I would not need the extra amp. My Question is how do these two units compare as far as A/V Processors and would I be able to allocate the onboard amps on the Denon AVR-X7200WA for the back and ceiling channels and let my b&K amp work the fronts.

Any help would be appreciated .

If you already have 5 channels of power amp, why not just get an AVR-X4300H or AVR-6300H and let the AVR power the remaining surround channels? The AVR-X7200WA is nice, but the X7300H should be out very soon.