Cables affecting sound stage?

[cpp]

If the cost of those cables was $1000 (doubtful), that would be a margin of $8799 per set. How many would you have to sell to make that a worth-while product? I'm guessing a less than 100 copies would do the trick, 200 copies would be a no-brainer. Do you think there are 100 people in this crazy world who would pay almost $10K for interconnects?

You-betcha! People with money buy lots of stuff that isn't worth what they spend.

And thus another snake-oil product is born.

And pushed by audio reviewers in mag's and on websites sure, they will sell some..

 

[Adam]

I like how they announced when the new, improved cable was put into play and the old, inferior one replaced.

Well, and that they're calling their original cord inferior.

"Yeah, we sold you all of those multi-thousand dollar power cords, but they're all c**p. You should buy these. They're definitely worth it. Yes, yes, like we said those old c**p ones were worth it two days ago. Woah, now. Calm down. No need to get violent. Hey...HEY...!!!"

 

[avliner]

Isn't in fascinating that the existence of "snake-oil" products only bothers those who would never buy them? Those that do buy them don't seem to care. Perhaps they deserve each other.

In my book, I'd say the other way around for sure!

 

[mtrycrafts]

Isn't in fascinating that the existence of "snake-oil" products only bothers those who would never buy them? Those that do buy them don't seem to care. Perhaps they deserve each other.

Well, I think the product is not snake oil per say as they do function. But the claims made are the oily type.

Don't care what people spend, only if that spending may be due to lies about a product to sell them.

 

[Grador]

Well, I think the product is not snake oil per say as they do function. But the claims made are the oily type.

Don't care what people spend, only if that spending may be due to lies about a product to sell them.

Hmmmm, this gave me an idea. Does anyone want to buy any "cable oil"? The oil lubricates the audio signal making all aspects better.

 

[avengineer]

Here...they skipped the oil, went straight for the cream:P.W.B. Cream - Electret

 

[Adam]

Does anyone want to buy any "cable oil"?

Here...they skipped the oil, went straight for the cream...

It's official. I'm a dirty old man.

 

[markw]

Here...they skipped the oil, went straight for the cream:P.W.B. Cream - Electret

Sounds like something from a marial aids site. Well, I guess the lube helps when shoving it up their ...oh, I can't say that here? ...sorry.

 

[3db]

It's official. I'm a dirty old man.

Good career choice!!

 

[mtrycrafts]

Hmmmm, this gave me an idea. Does anyone want to buy any "cable oil"? The oil lubricates the audio signal making all aspects better.

Well, oil IS used for many lubrication purposes

 

[Phil750]

The amazing Randi offered a million dollar challenge to Pear digital, he said there 7000.00 cable would sound no different than Monster cable. They refused the challenge. That says a lot.

 

[cpp]

Well, oil IS used for many lubrication purposes

Every time someone pays $100's of dollars for a USB cable or that cryogenically treated cable, the salesman first ask the customer to assume the position, pass the lube then BINGO you have entered into the world of cable porn... You have been screwed by the cable manufactures

 

[THT89]

The original post requested scientific data regarding different cable affect on sound.
Any cable will have,
Resistance
Capacitance
Inductance
Propagation Delay
In the audio frequency range (so low that it is almost D.C.) Reactive components (inductance and capacitance) will be insignificant relative to the source and load.
Resistance will only be a factor if using too small of guage for the current.

Hey guys, I know that this is an old post but I'm looking for more information.. for the capacitance, inductance and resistance, is there any recommendation what range those should fall under?

Instead of using interconnect that its measurement is unknown, it seems to be more comfortable for myself to make one with known gauge and measurements.

 

[Bucknekked]

Hey guys, I know that this is an old post but I'm looking for more information.. for the capacitance, inductance and resistance, is there any recommendation what range those should fall under?

Instead of using interconnect that its measurement is unknown, it seems to be more comfortable for myself to make one with known gauge and measurements.

Esteemed AH posters:
I saw this thread while on my phone sitting in a remote location and I thought it was a new post since the dates I saw were relatively new. I don't know if you've noticed, but the OP on this post hasn't been back in nearly 4 years. That would suggest nearly 4 years of posts and the OP has missed out on all that excellent information, satire, cynicism and great prose. All about cables.

Somewhere, we should have a cable swat team. When an OP posits some great insightful point he read about in a magazine, the cable swat team shows up instantly pacifies him. I wonder if there's a way to figure out how many responses the forum has dealt with over crackpot items like cable abilities? I'm sure there is a statistician here somewhere that could figure it out.

 

[THT89]

Esteemed AH posters:
I saw this thread while on my phone sitting in a remote location and I thought it was a new post since the dates I saw were relatively new. I don't know if you've noticed, but the OP on this post hasn't been back in nearly 4 years. That would suggest nearly 4 years of posts and the OP has missed out on all that excellent information, satire, cynicism and great prose. All about cables.

Somewhere, we should have a cable swat team. When an OP posits some great insightful point he read about in a magazine, the cable swat team shows up instantly pacifies him. I wonder if there's a way to figure out how many responses the forum has dealt with over crackpot items like cable abilities? I'm sure there is a statistician here somewhere that could figure it out.

Hi there, thanks for responding to this old thread. Having a cable swat team would be great. It is fairly normal for beginners to be affected by major audio review magazines, everyon wants to have their money "well spent", and those magazine is so influential. The more we read, the more we got trapped.

It was a good news that cable doesn't play a part to alter the line signal regardless what that cable is. With that being said, someone had then added to this theory by saying signal cable could be affected by the resistance, inductance and capacitance.

I am using some stock RCA, and unsure what properties those have. Plus, the RCA interconnect seems to have weak solder, although it is brand new, one channel goes off sometimes and I will need to "fondle" it a little to get my second channel back. sometimes one side sounded lower volume than the other. For all the gurus out there what kind of cable you guys are using after many years of experience?

P.S. I didn't want to open a new thread, kind of a straight forward answer to seek. Or should I? Trying luck, thanks again for the reply.

 

[Bucknekked]

Hi there, thanks for responding to this old thread. Having a cable swat team would be great. It is fairly normal for beginners to be affected by major audio review magazines, everyon wants to have their money "well spent", and those magazine is so influential. The more we read, the more we got trapped.

It was a good news that cable doesn't play a part to alter the line signal regardless what that cable is. With that being said, someone had then added to this theory by saying signal cable could be affected by the resistance, inductance and capacitance.

I am using some stock RCA, and unsure what properties those have. Plus, the RCA interconnect seems to have weak solder, although it is brand new, one channel goes off sometimes and I will need to "fondle" it a little to get my second channel back. sometimes one side sounded lower volume than the other. For all the gurus out there what kind of cable you guys are using after many years of experience?

P.S. I didn't want to open a new thread, kind of a straight forward answer to seek. Or should I? Trying luck, thanks again for the reply.

I think the most common answers to what kinds of cables get used and liked, the list seems to start with monoprice, blue jeans, SVS and then whatever floats your boat. You could search the cables and connectors thread and get the answer in spades. All are modestly priced. All will get the job done. A cable doesn't need a brand name or a claim to fame. It just needs to work.

 

[THT89]

I think the most common answers to what kinds of cables get used and liked, the list seems to start with monoprice, blue jeans, SVS and then whatever floats your boat. You could search the cables and connectors thread and get the answer in spades. All are modestly priced. All will get the job done. A cable doesn't need a brand name or a claim to fame. It just needs to work.

Sounds good, will get those instead of diying cable with known low L, R and I, troublesome. Come to think about it, earphones that sound really good and full of details do not come with super bulk "cable" etc. Their cables are thin like hair, but seems to nicely fetch the waves without much fidelity loss. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Dan Madden]

Just buy good quality interconnects.......not ridiculously priced one's.

Heck, My local dollar store sells 6ft HDMI cables for $2.50 each!! Sad to say but.........I bet they work !!

 

[THT89]

Just buy good quality interconnects.......not ridiculously priced one's.

Heck, My local dollar store sells 6ft HDMI cables for $2.50 each!! Sad to say but.........I bet they work !!

Same thing applies to interconnect between a DAC and an integrated amp right?

 

[Bucknekked]

Same thing applies to interconnect between a DAC and an integrated amp right?

the same idea applies across the board.