Best REFERENCE 5.1 system

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ss_blake

Audiophyte
Need some advice on the best Reference series of speakers to buy from the "big 3" (Klipsch, Polk Audio, Paradigm).

Desired configuration is 5.1 with floorstanding mains, one center channel, 2 surrounds and a subwoofer. Budget: $4-6k. Usage: 80% movies, 20% music.

Options are:

Klipsch RF-7 series II (RF-7 mains, RC-64 center, RS-62 surround, SW311)
Paradigm Studio (100 mains, CC-690 center, ADP-590 surround, Sub12)
Polk Audio (Lsi25 mains, LsiC center, LsiF/X surrounds, DSW3000)

Any comments or links for reviews?

I know there are a ton of other speaker manufacturers, but to be honest the city I live in has limited access (edmonton AB canada) and, from what I have read, these larger companies are solid choices. Furthermore, warranty and support for these companies would be easier where I live.
 
dalumberjack

dalumberjack

Audioholic
Well I am a klipsch guy so you know what my answer will be. But I do have a suggestion.

Klipsch subs are not that great. I am not saying there are bad, but you can do better. For instance, you could look at SVS or HSU (HSU VTF-15H comes to mind) which is a lot more bang for your buck. You could even get two! There are many others like empire, epik, funky waves etc but you hear amore about SVS and HSU (plus I own two HSU vtf 3.3's and I LOVE THEM)

But to play the other side, paradigm makes some nice speakers. So in your area can you test out the two and see which setup your ears prefer?

Can't get online fully since I am on my phone but I would think the Rf-7's II, RC-64 II, RS-62's and two HSU VTF 15-H's would about round out your budget.

PS:! You could save a little money on the surrounds and get the Rs-52's. The only difference is the woofer size which honestly if your system is set at 80 Hz (speakers) wont be getting that much use.
 
B

Bass Bum

Audioholic Intern
As for the subs, I am a huge fan of SVS subwoofers! I have owned them in the past and will likely own a couple again in the near future.
 
AVRat

AVRat

Audioholic Ninja
My order of preference would be Polk, Paradigm, Klipsch. One note, it would be wise to consider separate amplification for the Polk & Paradigms.

Since you put more priority on movies, I'd downsize the L/R and put that money into a better sub/s.

Ditto the different sub advice. Being in Canada you'll be primarily looking at SVS through Sonic Boom Audio or Funky Waves as mentioned.

More specific models can be suggested if you'll provide the cubic volume/dimensions of your space.
 
Unobtainium

Unobtainium

Audioholic Intern
My advise is go listen to the Studio 60's. As mentioned, if movies are the big draw, save $1200 over the 100's. I'd do 60's, 590 centre, and Likely the ADP's you have listed. Then, I'd contact Nathan at Funky Waves and ask about the FW18.0. Nice sealed sub. Good looks like paradigm subs, and no brokerage or BS with Warranty. The driver in that sub is top notch. If you care about looks, that would be a nice addition to the studios in Rosenut.
 
zieglj01

zieglj01

Audioholic Spartan
I prefer (1) Polk, (2) Paradigm, (3) Klipsch
Also, agree that you should look into something like an SVS or HSU sub.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Studios aren't the top line from Paradigm. If you brought the Signatures into the picture, the rest of those speakers don't even matter. Of the ones listed, I'd put them probably in the same order 1) Polk 2) Studios 3)Klipsch also. I agree with going 60s and a solid sub and a good amp vs 100s for the Paradigms.

Since you are in Canada, you should include PSB and probably Energy and Mirage.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Need some advice on the best Reference series of speakers to buy from the "big 3" (Klipsch, Polk Audio, Paradigm).

Desired configuration is 5.1 with floorstanding mains, one center channel, 2 surrounds and a subwoofer. Budget: $4-6k. Usage: 80% movies, 20% music.

Options are:

Klipsch RF-7 series II (RF-7 mains, RC-64 center, RS-62 surround, SW311)
Paradigm Studio (100 mains, CC-690 center, ADP-590 surround, Sub12)
Polk Audio (Lsi25 mains, LsiC center, LsiF/X surrounds, DSW3000)

Any comments or links for reviews?

I know there are a ton of other speaker manufacturers, but to be honest the city I live in has limited access (edmonton AB canada) and, from what I have read, these larger companies are solid choices. Furthermore, warranty and support for these companies would be easier where I live.
Reference to what? None of those manufacturers would be considered purveyors of reference systems.
 
washburn

washburn

Audioholic
Klipsch? Polk? low-mid level at best. If you want a lot of decent quality for the buck, at least look into something like Totem Acoustic - they may not make all-in-one boxed packages, though. They do use Dyanudio drivers in some of their lines.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
LOL. I actually typed up the fact that if I were going to drop decent coin on a system that these manufacturers would not be at the top of my list either - especially for the price of the LSI. He was pretty specific in saying that these are available in his area though so...if they have to do, then they have to and a very decent system can be put together with any of them.
 
Z

zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
I have a feeling with a list like this, the OP is Canadian.;)

If that is the case, I second the Totem rec.;)
 
washburn

washburn

Audioholic
Good point - I suggested Totem without even thinking of that :)
Only worry I have though: he says 80% movies, 20% music...wonder if Totems would be wasted on a set up that's meant to create "noises" rather than music as a main goal...
 
Z

zumbo

Audioholic Spartan
Good point - I suggested Totem without even thinking of that :)
Only worry I have though: he says 80% movies, 20% music...wonder if Totems would be wasted on a set up that's meant to create "noises" rather than music as a main goal...
80% movies could include concerts!:D

60% of dvd/blu-ray I enjoy is concert.;)
 
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FirstReflection

AV Rant Co-Host
Reference to what? None of those manufacturers would be considered purveyors of reference systems.
The whole term of "Reference Quality" or a "Reference Standard" in audio is rather silly to begin with. If you go over to England - in particular, a famous recording studio like Abbey Road - you'll find it stocked with B&W speakers - likely the 800 Series Diamond. And indeed, I personally find the 802 Diamond to be one of the finest speakers for home use that is out there...period.

But head on over the France and you're far more likely to find Focal/JM Lab speakers. Focal's Professional SM11 line would be my personal choice for in-studio monitors and I'm a very big fan of their Electra Be Series home speakers (although they still have a touch of cabinet coloration).

Come over to the USA and walk into a THX mixing studio and you'll find M&K monitors or the same B&W speakers as Abbey Road. You can easily bring MK Sound speakers into your home - and indeed, many people have done just that!

If you go into Indy Movie Blu-ray/DVD authorization specialist Criterion, you'll find something that you might not expect: an Axiom Epic 80 home theater speaker system from internet-direct, Canadian speaker company Axiom Audio!

And go into any professional mixing studio and you can expect to find a wide variety of speaker manufacturers: JBL Professional, Genelec, Blue Sky Audio, Fostex, Fosgate, Tannoy, Yamaha, etc.

My point is, there IS no "reference standard". The only reference is the system and room in which whatever recording you are presently listening to was mixed! Whatever speakers they used and whatever room they were in - THAT is what the final mixers heard and ANYTHING else is going to sound different!

So it's a bit harsh to say that none of Klipsch, Polk or Paradigm's speakers can be considered "reference". Case in point, there are several dubbing stages that use Klipsch speakers - just as there are many commercial movie theaters that use Klipsch speakers. And if you are looking for a sound that is similar to Focal at a lower price point, Paradigm's Signature Series actually comes quite close. In particular, the small Signature S1 Be speaker makes for quite a good mini-monitor in a studio setup - very similar in transparency to the Focal SM6 Solo6 Be.

The real goal of ANY so-called "reference" system can only be to play back any given recording with as little change or added distortion to the original signal as possible. The only consistent goal that can be attributed to all "reference" systems is transparency -an absence of any sort of character or alteration.

So plenty of unlikely brands could be considered "reference" speakers. So long as the goal is to be as neutral as possible. One could easily make the case that Emotiva's speakers adhere to the same goals as any "reference" speaker. So too do Axiom's for the most part. And so too do Paradigm's or Klipsch's THX or Klipschorn speaker lines.

Indeed, "in reference to what?" is a fair question. In all honesty, we can only hope to hear what the sound engineers wanted for us to hear. And one of the primary goals of any mixer or sound engineer is for the sound they create to "translate" very well to systems OTHER than the one that they used to create the final recording!

So, as home users, we can really only strive for a transparent system - one that will not add distortion, won't alter the frequency response and will also be capable of playing back all of the sounds that were intended to be heard. There are a great many home speaker options that can achieve that goal to greater or lesser extents. There are also a great many "audiophile" speaker brands that many people like and praise, yet do not strictly adhere to the goal of transparency. Instead, many "audiophile" brands purposely alter the frequency response in order to create a distinct "brand character" such as a "warm" sound or a "detailed" sound. B&O is a great example - they don't strive for transparency. They have their own "signature sound character" and when they design a new speaker, they compare it to their existing speakers to make sure that it sounds like the rest of their lineup. They don't aim for any sort of "ideal" - just a consistent sound across their entire brand.

Anywho, I think that what they OP is after when he asks for a "reference" system is simply a system that plays back all of the recorded sound (doesn't leave anything out or "miss" anything) and doesn't add distortion or alter the recorded sound. I believe he is after transparency so that he can feel reasonably sure that he is hearing what the sound engineers intended for him to hear.

To that end - in this price range and given this selection of choices, I would opt for the Paradigm Studio speakers. They are essentially "boring". They don't really "stand out" in any way. They don't emphasize anything. They don't de-emphasize anything. A lot of people feel that they are over-priced because they don't immediately sound like anything "special". They don't "sparkle", they don't "slam", they don't sound "warm", nor do they "pop". They just pretty much "tell it like it is", so it's up to the recording to sound "special" in some way. That's neutrality. And to me, that's the same goal as "reference".
 
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