Your loss my gain. I grabbed the EP800 in real pine. Don't have it yet. Probably not until after xmas now as I live on a island and it's longer to ship to me. I have subs from HSU, 2 from SVS, have other brands, yes I also have a Axiom ep500 V3. Axiom gets an undeserved bad rep - mainly by the same two people here (not in this thread) and over at AVS like it's some personal mission of theirs to take Axiom down only to praise the other brands, which always seems very fishy to me. There is no doubt at normal MSRP their sub prices are high, but at a discount you have to start thinking about it. In the USA you got more choices. In Canada we basically have few and Axiom is a very good choice. I find HSU very good, but their electronics is made in china and doesn't last, my amp died with very little use within 5 years and their service to get another one was absolutely horrible and I have no interest in dealing with them ever again. HSU amps dying is not uncommon. SVS has serious issues with their vinyl quality bubbling and peeling like it was installed by a child and the amps made in China as well. SVS service is pretty good though. My first Pb2k arrived DOA and they replaced everything asap without issue and as friendly as one could ask for. I find SVS over rated performance wise on this forum and avs. I like my PB2000 and SB2000 but honestly don't see what the hype is all about. Between the PB and SB the SB is probably more impressive to "me" simply because it performs better than I thought it would after being somewhat underwhelmed by my PB2k. Not that the PB2k is bad, but for it's size and given the hype over them I expected much much better over the Axiom EP500, and it isn't, and the new V4's are better again and sealed. Now price changes everything right? so if you can get HSU or SVS at half the price of the Axiom.....need I say more. The EP800 is large, I do have the perfect spot for it and at 1100 Canadian for a real pine dual sub at 800 watts....I mean common! A SVS PB2k is the same price...and I'm sorry but from the examples from SVS I have, Axiom builds better cabinets. I have several of their speakers and never an issue. Some of them from 2004. Plus Axiom Service is top notch. Friendly and willing to help anytime I've emailed or called.