AVR-X4100W with Outlaw Audio 5000

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  1. scottavexpert Audiophyte

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    I just installed an Outlaw Audio 5000 Amp with my AVR-X4100W Denon Receiver and it sounds better on stereo than multi channel option. My music cranks but now when I want to watch movies my surround sound does not appear to work right. It almost seems as if the command is not getting to the amp....any suggestions....I have tried everything.
  2. roadwarrior Junior Audioholic

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    Did you run Audyssey after setting up the Outlaw amp? Also I'd double check that the pre out RCA cables from the receiver are going to the correctly speaker wired inputs on the amp as well.
    Can't hurt to double check.
  3. scottavexpert Audiophyte

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    I did run odessey and triple checked the wiring. It is almost as if the receiver is not sending out a good signal except for in stereo mode. Not even half the volume. I did not have this issue until I installed the amp. But I know that the amp is working and the receiver is working but together only working on stereo.
  4. lovinthehd Audioholic Spartan

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    So the avr is fine on its own? But when using the external amp only 2.0 works well (or are we talking 2.1?), the rest sucks no matter what the dsp? Are you talking about multi-ch stereo or actual multi-ch content played thru an appropriate mode?
  5. scottavexpert Audiophyte

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    2.1 as well as 2.0 works fine. Even hooked up the amp on different channels , so I know it's not the amp.
  6. lovinthehd Audioholic Spartan

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    So what about my other question?
  7. scottavexpert Audiophyte

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    audyssey doesn't sound right, multi channel stereo as well as every other multi-channel not sounding right-
  8. scottavexpert Audiophyte

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    Blu-Ray is also doing same thing, 5or 6 times times the volume on stereo vs any multi-channel setting
  9. lovinthehd Audioholic Spartan

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    So you did re-run Audyssey after adding the external amp? What were the resultant settings? Multi-ch stereo is not something I'd ever use, it never sounds right to me.
  10. lovinthehd Audioholic Spartan

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    5 or 6 times the volume in stereo mode? Are you thinking that in multi-ch modes (with actual content recorded for 5.1 or 7.1) that the surrounds are supposed to be at equal volume to the mains? In 5.1/7.1 content often the center carries most of the load, and surround considerably less (helps make for the surround effect).
  11. scottavexpert Audiophyte

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    yes I know the main sound comes front center l and r channels, I did run audyssey after hooking up amp, i'm just saying I don't think the receiver is sending good signal via the pre-outs to the amp in any multi-channel setting whatsoever
  12. roadwarrior Junior Audioholic

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    I have this same Outlaw amp and an issue of my own oddly enough. I have a set of front B bookshelf speakers hooked only to the receiver not the external amp like my regular mains and surrounds are and I can't get my FM antenna signals to play through any of the speakers hooked to the outboard amp(they just make a steady bass thumping noise when I try to raise the volume.) The books connected to the receiver, no problem. Outlaw said it was my receiver and unless there's some amp assign setting you missed during setup it sounds like you're dealing with something similar.
  13. PENG Audioholic Warlord

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    Sounds like you have the settings messed up. Can you post the level settings for all channels please?
    PENG,
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    What are your dsp settings when you experience this (stereo, multi in, 5 ch stereo, etc.)?
  15. KEW Audioholic Spartan

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    So did you make the proper amp/speaker assignments?
    On my older AVR-4520, the menu sequence is
    Setup Menu > Speakers > Audyssey Setup > Amp Assign > (Assign Mode =) Preamplifier > (Pre-amp assign =) All
    KEW,
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    I think it has to be the pre section. In this context the Outlaw amp is a "stupid simple" piece of gear. It doesn't know or care where the signal comes from and since you established all 5 channels work when fed the stereo output from the AVR, that means the 5 channel output from the AVR is not right.
    If the amp was not able to properly drive 5 channels at once (and the design of the 5000 certainly is capable) you would have solid sound on normal content and it would fall apart when the content made demands.
    KEW,
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  17. roadwarrior Junior Audioholic

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    I believe it's anything other than 2.0/2.1 stereo from what I've read so all the multi channel formats. OP can chime in if I'm mistaken.
  18. roadwarrior Junior Audioholic

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    Oh, thanks for offering some help on my small issue. That's the weird part. I have an older Denon 2805 with a very simple amp assign setting. It's either set to zone 2 or surround back in zone 1 and the FM signal is the only receivers audio source that doesn't get properly sent though the pre outs . Something does because as I increase the volume I get a recurring bass thump but that's it. Switch back to my front B speaker's still connected to the receiver itself and everything is fine.

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