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The Funkywaves FW 12.X Ported 12" subwoofer is a beautifully crafted piece of furniture. It must be said here, measurements alone do not adequately explain the unique sound of this sub. The tonal character is not matched by any of the other shootout entrants. It is a true subwoofer, offering flat performance all the way down to 20 Hz without any electronic equalization whatsoever. This product is, in a nutshell, very old school in its approach to making a small box go down to 20 Hz. It does so, not by any electronic signal manipulation, but by good old fashioned mass loading. There are definitely both advantages and disadvantages to this approach which are discussed in detail in this review.
Discuss "Funky Waves FW 12.X Subwoofer Review" here. Read the article.
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In before Billy![]()
Living Room:
Receiver: Onkyo HT-RC180
Fronts: Axiom Audio M80ti
Center: Axiom Audio VP150
Surrounds: Axiom QS8
Subwoofers: Triad Silver 12" & Paradigm PDR-12
TV: Samsung LN52A650
Remote: Logitech Harmony 900
Man Room
Projector: Mitsubishi HC5500
Screen: 100" Bright White fixed frame Elite Screen.
Fronts: Infinity Beta 50's
Center: Infinity Beta C360
Surrounds: Axiom QS8's/Klipsch Quintet III Satellites (rear surround)
Subwoofer: Polk PSW505
Receiver: Onkyo HT-RC180
Alex2507 (02-22-2011),billy p (02-22-2011),STRONGBADF1 (02-23-2011)
*looks at his maelstrom driven by a J2500 pro amp*
*...considereds a compressor like Paul suggested*
*....NAH... I just need another sub or four!*
On a side note, nice review. Just goes to show that LMS is truly the definition of "beast". I'd love to see AH review an 18" LMS based sub! IIRC Nathan Funk prefers the 5100-Pro over the 5400-Ultra.
My favorite part of the review though was the comment about lights dimming due to the ridiculous wattage... been there before![]()
Last edited by GranteedEV; 02-22-2011 at 11:40 PM.
System: Marantz SR6003
---> Crown XLS 2000 ---> Philharmonic Model 2
---> Tapco Juice J2500 --> DIY Maelstrom X
Victory goes... TO THOSE WITH COURAGE!!!
Like they say youz get what you pays fer...... Didn't expect anything less being telling you guys along...
Good job audioholics and especially to you Nathan...![]()
Last edited by billy p; 02-22-2011 at 11:50 PM.
Speakers: Ascend Acoustics Towers, STC{RAAL} & 200SE in espresso
Sub: Funk Audio Acoustic Elegance av12x Custom Build
Sources: Anthem MRX 300, Sony BDP-S380, Technics CD player, Apple TV/I-pod & Panny 54"
Old Indian Proverb: We don’t inherit the earth from our ancestors, but we borrow it from our children!
MinusTheBear (02-23-2011)
Congrats to Funky Waves on the excellent review.
The way I read into this review is the Funky Waves 12.X has the highest build quality, best extension and output down low and the most linear of the subs tested? A true home theater sub.
KEW should be listened to
No doubt, this is the sub for the hard core Audioholic. As I read it every shortcoming was really a opportunity to buy more gear and obsess over settings!
However, when it comes to the bottom line, this sub delivers.
This was a great read. It had the normal interest of reading about a great audio component, but added the education of involving the coordination of the subcomponents since this is not the normal "all in one" integrated sub. Some of this is good thought-fodder for DIY as well!
It will be interesting to see what type of package FW puts together if they decide to cater to the "plug and play" customer (of course, one valid point is in a smaller room where the volume is never cranked, there may be no need for a compressor or subsonic filter).
I noticed that the Yamaha pro series (such as the P3500S) has a built in high-pass filter that can be set as low as 25Hz. Unfortunately, the Yamaha series don't offer quite the amazing bang for the buck as the Behringer EP4000.
GranteedEV (02-23-2011)
Although it's not * yet* a "compressor" I'd rather use a miniDSP for high pass filter functions and leave the amp filter off. I'm a control freak so I need to model that transfer function before I implement it
btw, besides the behringer, the amps I've seen people use often with DIY subs are Crest, Marathon, Crown K2, QSC, and Face Audio. Not that anything's wrong with the Behringer EP2500. It's a reverse engineered version of the QSC RMX2450, and so is my Tapco J2500. No copyrights on amp designs I guess.
System: Marantz SR6003
---> Crown XLS 2000 ---> Philharmonic Model 2
---> Tapco Juice J2500 --> DIY Maelstrom X
Victory goes... TO THOSE WITH COURAGE!!!
KEW (02-23-2011)
KEW should be listened to
I was wondering how much of the desired functions the miniDSP could address. I haven't really paid close attention to it's abilities or limitations (they seem pretty "soft") - just filed it in the "worthy of further attention if the need arises" category.
Maybe that will be Nathans best option. Is there a way to "lock" it? I would expect a certain percent of customers would want to be able to manipulate things and another group would simply want to make sure it never lost its settings and put their equipment at risk!
The SVS review IMO shows that DSP is indeed the way to go, properly implemented at least. The sledge amp was doing these compression duties very effectively. I'd assume this is also what JTR and Seaton have been doing with their 4kW amps but I"m not quite sure.
Right now the minidsp does not have the software for this function as far as I can see, but likely has the hardware. It also comes in a DIY version with no enclosure for the soldering sorts. I think if there's demand, DSP4You will develop this software.
Either way, I'd love to see FW or Antimode etc come out with a DSP-based device for this functionality. Perhaps this review will open up demand in the DIY market?
System: Marantz SR6003
---> Crown XLS 2000 ---> Philharmonic Model 2
---> Tapco Juice J2500 --> DIY Maelstrom X
Victory goes... TO THOSE WITH COURAGE!!!