3 Channel Amplifier...

Warpdrv

Warpdrv

Audioholic Ninja
while i own and agree that the yamaha amps are the most bang for the buck without the fan noise ...

their ONE con is that they're not 12v triggerable.

looks wise, i think they look very cool!
they can be though....

I understand mike you are in a different voltage scenario, but Niles offers some nice 12v triggered 120 VAC switched outlets... In fact, I am just about to order 3 of them for myself... :)

 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
they can be though....

I understand mike you are in a different voltage scenario, but Niles offers some nice 12v triggered 120 VAC switched outlets... In fact, I am just about to order 3 of them for myself... :)

yeah, you can custom some 12v relays as well ... :)
 
Chopin_Guy

Chopin_Guy

Senior Audioholic
Wow, lots of good responses and varied points of view....and I know we all have different experiences to go on but I suppose I will just start to listen to some new speakers and see what my ear is drawn to as that is the ultimate goal...

If it means I have to go back to 2 channel for a while that won't be the end of the world as it will be a step in the right direction....However I still have the whole amplification makes or doesn't make a difference debate to sort through. Seems to be about a 60/40 split of people suggesting that amplification will make no difference on my sound vs those who insist their own amplifier upgrades have made a world of difference in sound...My logic and simple numbers would lead me to think with the first 60% but I could be wrong as I have heard so many times that RTi12s need juice....
 
Chopin_Guy

Chopin_Guy

Senior Audioholic
Ha ha....that would be nice but certainly not in the cards for me...at least not as a student right now....as beautiful as that piece of equipment might be...Rotel, Emotiva, Outlaw...that is much more my league right now...
 
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ggunnell

Audioholic
On the rugs -- get inexpensive ones from Walmart.

On the glass -- for complete coverage, you'll end up with multiple tiers of ordinary length drapes. Something separates the panes of glass -- that's what you attach to. All you HAVE to cover is up to about head height.
If you can't afford insulating drapes, get Walmart drapes. If that's too difficult, get flannel bedsheets and ducttape the top edge to the glass.

People who have never done room treatments think its a very subtle effect -- it's not.

Another problem all those reflections are causing you is messing up your Audyssey settings. Search in the Audyssey thread at AVS for 'treatments' for more info.

On the amps -- sure go for speakers first if you've got that much cash.
 
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jostenmeat

Audioholic Spartan
Chopin, I really wonder if a new amp is going to much at all for you.

I enjoy having an outboard amp for the HT... but the seated distances are pretty significant, multi-row, approaching reference levels now and then.

I'll tell you what though: I was not nearly as close to such volumes before the treatments. And that's with rugs on top carpets, thick curtains covering quite a bit.

The distortive sounds I would get were actually from the room. I find that with the more treatments I add, the louder I can crank it, because that threshold of awful AQ isn't reached until at significantly higher volume. I am guessing an average of 6 clicks louder on the volume knob, +/- 1.

It must be said that treatments simply do deaden the room to some extent. But its pretty obvious to me that its the taming of the acoustics that let me comfortably bring it to higher volumes.

With the above experiences/opinions in mind... I repeat that I do wonder how much an outboard amp will do for you. And because I question such need, I most definitely vote new speakers if you are less than 90% happy with them.

Otherwise, a projector!!! :p:p:p:p:p


forgive the pj rec, its just my M.O. as of late


p.s. I wanted to add, with ggunnel's post in mind, that I did have all the thick curtains, rugs on top of carpet, etc. The difference with acoustic panels is that they are broadband. Nevertheless, his ideas are good ones. Broadband helping a lot of the midrange to midbass area ...
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
If it means I have to go back to 2 channel for a while that won't be the end of the world as it will be a step in the right direction....However I still have the whole amplification makes or doesn't make a difference debate to sort through. Seems to be about a 60/40 split of people suggesting that amplification will make no difference on my sound vs those who insist their own amplifier upgrades have made a world of difference in sound...My logic and simple numbers would lead me to think with the first 60% but I could be wrong as I have heard so many times that RTi12s need juice....
If you listen to your favourite 2 channel CD at the maximum SPL you can tolerate and your 3808's volume is not higher than say around -5, then more amplification power is not going to get you better sound from the RTi12 speakers because you are not going to call for more power anyway. In that case what you need is to replace the RTi12 with speakers that sound better to you. I can tell you that no matter how much juice you feed the RTi they are not going to sound like the LSi speakers. Polk Audio will tell you that if you email them and ask them the same questions. They will tell you the LSi speakers are designed to have higher resolution. If you enjoy accurate high frequency reproduction you should audion some KEF, B&W, Paradigm (Signature series), Polk Audio LSi, and Energy (Veritas, cheaper than the Paradigm S series) speakers. It is not hard to beat the RTi12s.
 
Chopin_Guy

Chopin_Guy

Senior Audioholic
Assuming I decide to go the route of new speakers...would my 3808 support speakers that are 4ohm or would it be best to go with an amp as well if the ones I like happen to be 4ohm units. Minding you that, at first, it will only be two channels....I know a full five channels of 4ohm speakers would most certainly call for an amp but hopefully the 3808 could handle just two for a little bit...??? Of course I wouldn't want peformance to suffer either...
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Assuming I decide to go the route of new speakers...would my 3808 support speakers that are 4ohm or would it be best to go with an amp as well if the ones I like happen to be 4ohm units. Minding you that, at first, it will only be two channels....I know a full five channels of 4ohm speakers would most certainly call for an amp but hopefully the 3808 could handle just two for a little bit...??? Of course I wouldn't want peformance to suffer either...
I would refer you to Denon:

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the grunt

the grunt

Audioholic
Assuming I decide to go the route of new speakers...would my 3808 support speakers that are 4ohm or would it be best to go with an amp as well if the ones I like happen to be 4ohm units. Minding you that, at first, it will only be two channels....I know a full five channels of 4ohm speakers would most certainly call for an amp but hopefully the 3808 could handle just two for a little bit...??? Of course I wouldn't want peformance to suffer either...


As PENG said best to contact Denon. My experience with 4ohm Axiom speakers is that Denons have no problem driving. I’m presently using a Denon 2807 to drive 3x4ohm M80s and 4x8ohm QS8s and have never had any problem even when playing uncomfortably loud. So your 3808 should be able to handle even more just depends on how loud you want it.

Cheers,
Dean
 
Chopin_Guy

Chopin_Guy

Senior Audioholic
Well my concern was that I really like the sound of the Polk LSi9's but I have heard it is really necessary to drive these with some beefy external amplification. Which why I asked about 4ohm. Not that I am a Polk loyalist but I have heard these and know they are superior to my RTi12's, and it seems that a good deal of these higher end monitors/speakers are indeed 4ohm....

The only speakers that I am looking at that are not 4ohm are Paradigm, but I need to find somewhere in Houston where I can hear some...
 
the grunt

the grunt

Audioholic
If you have already found speakers that you really like I would stick with them, unless you just want to try more brands. You already have a great AVR which should be able to handle them. If you feel something is missing that more power will help you can always add an amp(s) later.

Similarly, I want more power and eventually a tube preamp but budget constraints limited my purchases. So I got the speakers I really wanted and a decent AVR and have been adding the rest as I can.

Just my $.02 for what it’s worth.

Cheers, and good shopping,
Dean
 
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