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Dealerscope

Gotta love that ignore button!

So linking to Reddit subs is all of a sudden facts but quoting actual trade publications isn't? They'll either stay in business or not. No skin off my nose. I just like my facts straight with no ice.

You first big mouth.

Klipsch is simply taking over distribution rights for Onkyo and Pioneer receivers from Onkyo USA from what I've read.

Personally I wouldn't.

This has been confirmed by JDsmoothie, Selden Bell and Batpig over the years plus talked about by others familiar with the specific people involved in the Shirakawa Japan plants engineering team. I can't think of the head engineers name off hand who is in charge of the 6700 and 8500's production...

The Outlaw 5000 might be a good option as well.

No worries. Finally right about something.

No worries and there was no disrespect I saw on your part nor none taken nor meant on mine. Just a matter of my having more information from being immersed in everything Denon for many years. Now you have it too[emoji106]. To me the 4000 series is the sweet spot for value for the dollar in the...

As am I. Pre amp mode, HDMI 2.1 and a 2 slot Audyssey setting feature doesn't change anything I've said.

Welcome. Does not have exactly the same features. I researched both the 4000 and 6000 series for almost 2 years before buying a 2016 4300 model. Yes completely different receiver. The 3700 is based more so on the 4700 as they share a production plant so no the 4700 is not made closer to the...

I was responding specifically to PENG's recommend for a 3 channel amp.

Respectfully, no They are not. Doesn't matter what you've read on Denon's website. The 6700 has a totally different design team than the Vietnam built 3700 based in Japan that also designs and builds their flagship receiver 8500. Better parts, better build quality and more features but yes other...

He'll need a 5 channel external amp to run a 5.1 setup in pre amp mode not 3.

Should work fine but it is defintiely not even remotely the same receiver as the 6700.

I did. That's also why I dont buy seperates. Some of that might be the difference between units that gave ASR and Denon similar but still different results on the 4700. The better component argument with the 3600 became less relevant once I saw the 4700's newest review. That seems to be the goal...

The SR8012 is based on the 6000 series that's made in Japan so I'll be curious to see how the 6700 does in comparison to the 4700 that's built in Vietnam. I suspect that comparison you made to the 3300 and the most recent 3600 measurements might be a tell. Classic human nature. Better to...

@KEW The other thing that irked me was the narrative being spun on ASR that somehow the 3600's measurements were somehow an anomaly and the 4700's was proof positive of an uncaring leaderless engineering team. Could just as easily be the reverse and seems now like it was. All manufactures still...