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Nuance AH should be listened to
Come on now - don't skimp out on us here. We want a more in depth comparison, such as comparing the RAAL to the Seas Excel and Revel Be tweeters. And how about the midrange comparo? How does the open-back chamber affect things? How does it compare to the big Revel's and Orion's? Don't leave us hanging!Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy
Exactly. I think it is extremely difficult to honestly pick a winner if you are 100% unbiased. If you throw out bias, fanboys, specs, reviews, status, price, size, aesthetics, it is extremely difficult to pick among these world class speakers.
If this were a sport, we are going into overtime!
The Salon2 are more than just world class speakers, though. They are "statement" speakers.
My journey to find the "perfect" speaker
No matter what measurements tell us, a loudspeaker isn't good until it sounds good. – Dr. Floyd Toole
Good speakers generally sound good in most rooms. It's only below the transition frequency (300 Hz or so depending on the size of the room) where the room largely determines how good the speaker sounds, and there judicious placement, equalization and multiple subwoofers can fix those problems. - Dr. Sean Olive
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templemaners should be listened to
OR... instead of springing for more and more speakers & giving us interesting but still subjective impressions, how about getting some measurement gear and give us the real story about what's going on.
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Audioholic General
Nuance AH should be listened to
Well, yeah, that would be awesome!OR... instead of springing for more and more speakers & giving us interesting but still subjective impressions, how about getting some measurement gear and give us the real story about what's going on.
My journey to find the "perfect" speaker
No matter what measurements tell us, a loudspeaker isn't good until it sounds good. – Dr. Floyd Toole
Good speakers generally sound good in most rooms. It's only below the transition frequency (300 Hz or so depending on the size of the room) where the room largely determines how good the speaker sounds, and there judicious placement, equalization and multiple subwoofers can fix those problems. - Dr. Sean Olive
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AcuDefTechGuy should be listened to
Simple things I can do, like SPL meters.
I was playing music on Phil3. SPL meter from 4 meters distance. Playing 94dBC. Sounded great. In was standing from 6 meters away, of course. But even from 12 meters out, the details were amazing. More details than I could here from some $10-25K speakers @ 3 meters out.
I think you guys know by now there are some things I'm willing to do.
Measurement is not one of them, unless it's just SPL.
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Audioholic General
Nuance AH should be listened to
^ Fair enough. So how about that tweeter and midrange comparison?
My journey to find the "perfect" speaker
No matter what measurements tell us, a loudspeaker isn't good until it sounds good. – Dr. Floyd Toole
Good speakers generally sound good in most rooms. It's only below the transition frequency (300 Hz or so depending on the size of the room) where the room largely determines how good the speaker sounds, and there judicious placement, equalization and multiple subwoofers can fix those problems. - Dr. Sean Olive
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woodsart should be listened to
I just want to say one thing........ TOLD YA!!!!Every bit as awesome!
Super detailed. Super clean. Super clear. Tight, tight, tight.
What can I say?
Great speakers sound great.
These Philharmonic speakers are truly world class, just as the Salon2 & Orion are.
Audioholic Overlord
AcuDefTechGuy should be listened to
Well, the RAAL & BG Neo8 are exceptional for sure.^ Fair enough. So how about that tweeter and midrange comparison?
But I don't think they have a sound of their own.
They reproduce the sounds of instruments and vocals very realistically, accurately, and faithfully, as do all great tweeters and midrange drivers.
The only "apparent" difference to me is the price difference.
REVEL SALON2 . B&W 802D2 . KEF 201/2 (6) . LINKWITZ ORION3 . TAD 2201 . DYNAUDIO X32 . FOCAL 826V . ATC SCM7 . PHILHARMONIC 3 . FUNK 18.0 (2) . RBH SX-1010N (2) . VELODYNE SC600 (4) . PIONEER MM301 (8) . DENON AVP-A1HD/AVR-5308/AVR-3312/DVD-3800BD . ATI 3005/3002/2004/6012 . BENQ W6000 . ADCOM GFS-600 . APPLE TV . KIMBER KABLE 8PR
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Dennis Murphy should be listened to
I think if you played the first cut on the Demo CD, and could switch very rapidly and with volume compensation between the three speakers, you would hear a difference in the presentation of the highs--I'm willing to bet that the RAALs would have a bit less of a ssssssssssssssssssss componenet in them, and a greater sense of extension at the very top. But I'm not sure that difference would be apparent if you listened to one set of speakers and then had to reconfigured things for the next pair with a good bit of time elapsing in between. I think you would hear it with less superlative domes than those used in the Linkwitz and Salons. I'm finishing up a one-off monitor that uses the same Excel dome as in the Orion, and I can certainly see why Linkwitz chose it.Well, the RAAL & BG Neo8 are exceptional for sure.
But I don't think they have a sound of their own.
They reproduce the sounds of instruments and vocals very realistically, accurately, and faithfully, as do all great tweeters and midrange drivers.
The only "apparent" difference to me is the price difference.
AcuDefTechGuy (03-21-2012),GranteedEV (03-21-2012),Nuance AH (03-21-2012)
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GranteedEV should be listened to
Not to get off topic, but how would you compare it to the dayton RS28?
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Swerd should be listened to
This is a common response of the people who've heard either the Salk SoundScapes or the Philharmonics - that the speakers "disappear" or that "they have no sound of their own". It makes talking about them on a forum web page difficult. Words just fail to describe them.
Keep listening and comparing. Eventually you'll be able to say something
I never remember how much the Salon 2s and Orions cost. Were they under 5 figures?The only "apparent" difference to me is the price difference.
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