Marantz SR5006 setup without a TV

[marlinspike]

Hello,

I'm a very new to audiophile quality equipment. I just bought a pair of CM9s after auditioning them at BestBuy, and bought a Marantz SR5006 from the Audioholics store.

Question: The manual for the SR5006 (and other AV tuners), presume that you're going to use it with a TV as an Audio/Visual tuner. However, I plan to use mine exclusively to hear Music. In fact, I don't even have a TV (by choice).

How am I supposed to set up the Marantz (for things like Bi-Amp), without a TV? Can I use the iPad app to do that?

Thank you!

[GranteedEV]

I just bought a pair of CM9s after auditioning them at BestBuy,

Question: The manual for the SR5006 (and other AV tuners), presume that you're going to use it with a TV as an Audio/Visual tuner. However, I plan to use mine exclusively to hear Music. In fact, I don't even have a TV (by choice).

Isn't there a small LED Display? My SR6003 lets me do most set up on it, although a computer screen via HDMI to DVI converter would definitely makes things easier.

How am I supposed to set up the Marantz (for things like Bi-Amp), without a TV? Can I use the iPad app to do that?

It doesn't appear the ipad app has that functionality though it might be worth a try. BTW, don't waste your time with passive bi-amping.

[marlinspike]

[QUOTE=GranteedEV;883659]

Hello,
It doesn't appear the ipad app has that functionality though it might be worth a try. BTW, don't waste your time with passive bi-amping.

Would following the directions in the manual (Page 65, "Bi-amp connection"), result in an active bi-amp connection?

Thanks!

[GranteedEV]

Would following the directions in the manual (Page 65, "Bi-amp connection"), result in an active bi-amp connection?

Thanks!

No.

Speakers have something called a crossover, which controls much of the speaker's audible behavior. You can have a good speaker with mediocre drivers /cabinet if the crossover is appropriate, and you can have a poor speaker with world class drivers/cabinet if the crossover is poor.

There are two types of crossovers.

Passive crossovers, which resistively attenuate (convert to heat / otherwise store and modify) the amplified (high level/high power) signal before it arrives at the driver.

Active crossovers, which have various forms. They can
-resistively attenuate the line level (low power) signal before it arrives at the amplifier, which is connected directly to the loudspeaker driver. There is an amplifier for every driver.
-electronically boost/attenuate the line level signal before it arrives at the amplifier
-digitally alter the line level signal before it arrives at the amplifier.

Now technically there are also hybrid crossovers, where, say, a tweeter/midrange crossover is passive, but the (tweeter-midrange as one unit)/woofer crossover is active. Implementing a subwoofer to a pair of passive loudspeakers is one such form of a hybrid crossover. Often it's unrefined, but perfectly acceptable given our poor hearing resolution at these frequencies.

Your Marantz Receiver is not/does not have an active crossover (except at subwoofer frequencies). It does not alter the low level signal arriving at the amplifier stage.

So long as your speakers have a passive crossover it will always resistively attenuate the amplified (high power) signal. This bi-amping nonsense you're looking into will basically just have different amps send the same high level signal to different "dividers" in the passive crossover.

Does it make any sense to you, to send the same signal twice/at the same time to different dividers, when you can send just one signal to the same dividers? The energy arriving at the loudspeaker drivers will be unchanged.

I mean, yes there's a case I can think of where there may be a benefit, but generally that involved poorly designed passive loudspeaker crossovers and/or amplifier channels. Since I was an elementary school kid dreaming of becoming the next Michael Jordan one day, I've always believed in "fundamentals". In my opinion, and this applies to just about everything - getting the fundamentals right is the hard part. Worrying about anything else first, is nonsense.

[fuzz092888]

The only way to get good usability from the 5006 without hooking it up to a TV via HDMI is through the web GUI. You need to have the receiver hooked up to a router, then you can use a computer to pretty much control everything. If you can't then you're up a bit of a creek because the small circle display is a huge pain for anything except seeing the volume.

[TLS Guy]

Hello,

I'm a very new to audiophile quality equipment. I just bought a pair of CM9s after auditioning them at BestBuy, and bought a Marantz SR5006 from the Audioholics store.

Question: The manual for the SR5006 (and other AV tuners), presume that you're going to use it with a TV as an Audio/Visual tuner. However, I plan to use mine exclusively to hear Music. In fact, I don't even have a TV (by choice).

How am I supposed to set up the Marantz (for things like Bi-Amp), without a TV? Can I use the iPad app to do that?

Thank you!

If you never intend to have a TV, then you do not need an AV receiver, since you have no V only A.

That is a huge waste, and I would return it.

I would get a either a preamp/power amp combo, or an integrated amplifier.

If you are intending to get a sub, I would get the former. Most integrated amps do not support the addition of a sub.

What you have without a TV, will not be handy at all. And unless you can control it via your home network that receiver will be worse than useless to you.

[zieglj01]

How am I supposed to set up the Marantz (for things like Bi-Amp), without a TV? Can I use the iPad app to do that?

Using the Marantz to bi-amp - is like knocking on the door,
and no one answers.

[CDogg]

Since I joined I have seen numerous threads regarding Bi-Amping. Still being a Newbie, what is it about Bi-Amping that makes everyone think this is the best way to go?

[GranteedEV]

Since I joined I have seen numerous threads regarding Bi-Amping. Still being a Newbie, what is it about Bi-Amping that makes everyone think this is the best way to go?

No one thinks it(bi-amping commercial speakers passively)'s the best way to go, except people who don't know what it is.

The problem is that the esoteric community "wants to see" all sorts of useless things.

What you end up with is speakers with a bunch of connectors at the back



And people wonder what they're there for. (Nothing being the correct answer). And so they google what they're for.
And then they find misinformation about bi-amping bringing people's speakers to life
And then we have to break it to them that they're wasting their time.

[fuzz092888]

Those speakers look darn familiar...............haha