Plasma or LCD

[3db]

In less than 3 monthes time I'll have my 1st wide screen TV. I'm soo looking fiorward to it. However, I don't which technology route to follow. Should I go with plasma or LCD as plasma seems to be cheaper now than LCD and offer better black levels. Any advice?

[MUDSHARK]

What size? Large sizes I would go plasma small sizes (42 for instance) then LCD. Plasma is more cost-effective on large sizes.

[gmichael]

Depends on your viewing habits. If you have a light controlled room and will be watching in a mostly darkened room, then I'd pick the plasma. If you have huge windows and have lots of light in the room, then I'd go LCD. If you have a dedicated room that is completely light controlled and fancy a big @$$ screen, then I'd go with a front projector.

[3db]

screen size will be between 46" and 56" and will be in a basement where there is some control of ambient light.

[AVRat]

Panny Plasma!! Panny Plasma!! Panny Plasma!! :D:D:D

[Warpdrv]

Panny Plasma!! Panny Plasma!! Panny Plasma!! :D:D:D

+1, No question

Do you have a budget for your TV, new products are coming out in the next 3 months, so if you are willing to get a last years model, there will be some great deals to be had...

New 58" & 65" Plasma's will be late summer, so the old models will drop in price to clear out inventory, in fact they are already dropping quite a bit.

[3db]

+1, No question

Do you have a budget for your TV, new products are coming out in the next 3 months, so if you are willing to get a last years model, there will be some great deals to be had...

New 58" & 65" Plasma's will be late summer, so the old models will drop in price to clear out inventory, in fact they are already dropping quite a bit.

around $2500.

[MUDSHARK]

Second the Panasonic plasma. I sit 12 feet away so I purchased a 720P 50 inch Panasonic Plasma a few months back for less than $1100. I sometimes wish I jumped up to the 58 inch. If you have three months you may get a great deal on one as was suggested.

[jamie2112]

Plasma vote here for Panny.........

[jostenmeat]

screen size will be between 46" and 56" and will be in a basement where there is some control of ambient light.

around $2500.

Can you fit in a 58"? This 58" Panny is $2,499 atm, and Costco is perhaps my most recommended vendor, because of their ridiculous CS. They extend warranties to two years, for free, as well. Price includes shipping and handling.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11310781&whse=BC&topnav=&browse=&lang=en-US&s=1

the newer G10 series are supposed to be a serious bang for buck value. The 54" will retail at $2,200. The savings should be applied to a bluray player, and ISF calibration, IMO. :)

Falling under budget are some Pioneers, and I think of models like the 5020, but they are all completely sold out as far as I can tell.

So yes! My advice, in order of importance,

1. Plasma definitely.

2. Biggest you can possibly fit.

3. Then the finest quality you can afford at the size.

4. Add bluray player. (May I recommend Panasonic?... or Oppo if you have double the bdp budget).

5. Professional calibration after using your set for a few months. YMMV, especially depending on the TV you buy (some are much more tweakable than others).

[billy p]

around $2500.

I believe the new G10's from Panasonic will be in that price range(here's hoping:D)in Canada and I would look no further, unless of course you up the anti and go with the new Samsung LED's.

[jostenmeat]

Canada

Man, I always forget who's a canuck, and who ain't. Always throws a monkey wrench in my shopping advice. :mad::eek::o

[3db]

Man, I always forget who's a canuck, and who ain't. Always throws a monkey wrench in my shopping advice. :mad::eek::o

Did u forget I was CanucK or is your recommendations for Canucks? *L*

I'll take a look at Costco.

[Timmy245]

i think maybe there are a few things to consider first when like will you be gaming on this tv do you watch much sport
someone please correct me if im wrong but i believe plasmas can get screen burn by gaming on them therefore if you game alot LCD would be the way to go IMO but i also believe that LCD tvs are no so good with sport because of the quick movement blur or some "jumping" in the picture may occur although the 100hz/200hz are making this less obvious i still believe plasmas are most certainly better for sports
so in the end i do think you need to way up the options and decide what suits you best but if you do go for plasma i agree with everyone else, panasonic :)
good luck

[MUDSHARK]

The screen burn issue was more relevant to much earlier generations of Plasma.

[bandphan]

i think maybe there are a few things to consider first when like will you be gaming on this tv do you watch much sport
someone please correct me if im wrong but i believe plasmas can get screen burn by gaming on them therefore if you game alot LCD would be the way to go IMO but i also believe that LCD tvs are no so good with sport because of the quick movement blur or some "jumping" in the picture may occur although the 100hz/200hz are making this less obvious i still believe plasmas are most certainly better for sports
so in the end i do think you need to way up the options and decide what suits you best but if you do go for plasma i agree with everyone else, panasonic :)
good luck

as mentioned your wrong on burn in;)

[SopRage]

If you can find it, go DLP. The tech seems to be on its way out, but you can get big screens with really tightly-packed pixels for pretty cheap.

I love my Sammy DLP!

[bandphan]

If you can find it, go DLP. The tech seems to be on its way out, but you can get big screens with really tightly-packed pixels for pretty cheap.

I love my Sammy DLP!

Ive owned the TOL DLP from mistu and in no way does the it compare to a plasma overall. The PQ was awesome from dead on outside of that average. The OP asked about LCD or Plasma. The new Pannys pound for pound are pretty much hard to beat with Pioneer out of the game. BTW does your sammy bow?

[SopRage]

"Bow?" What do you mean?

[billy p]

"Bow?" What do you mean?

I believe the "bow" referred to here is the Rainbow effect which usally plagues most DLP's. Although I don't believe people notice or know what to look for, in most cases its not a huge issue( at least its not for me)?
Regards, Bill

[jostenmeat]

Did u forget I was CanucK or is your recommendations for Canucks? *L*

I forgot you were, amidst my bubbling excitement for you.

I'll take a look at Costco.

I see they are in CA! The selection is different it appears. Is there a store at any reasonable distance to you? I find, at least near me, the selection will differ (usually more) than what they offer on the website. I also find that they get some units in, of any particular desired model, sell them out relatively quickly. Sometime later, they get more in, perhaps a different model, sell them out. Cycle repeats.

I believe the "bow" referred to here is the Rainbow effect which usally plagues most DLP's. Although I don't believe people notice or know what to look for, in most cases its not a huge issue( at least its not for me)?
Regards, Bill

No, different things. Bowing occurs due to the actual structure, or lack thereof more precisely. The screen is actually bending, or sagging outward at the center, for an improper geometry. Now, some people have said only a videophile could notice it. My PJ screen is not perfectly 100% flat, and it's pretty hard darn to notice the issues with "geometry", but OTOH it's a much bigger image...

I've never noticed the rainbow effect. I hear where it appears more profoundly is with projectors, since everything does become magnified. Some people cannot detect RBE on a RPTV, but can with FP. Yet, perhaps the very finest projectors in the world are DLPs.

[billy p]

No, different things. Bowing occurs due to the actual structure, or lack thereof more precisely. The screen is actually bending, or sagging outward at the center, for an improper geometry. Now, some people have said only a videophile could notice it. My PJ screen is not perfectly 100% flat, and it's pretty hard darn to notice the issues with "geometry", but OTOH it's a much bigger image...

I've never noticed the rainbow effect. I hear where it appears more profoundly is with projectors, since everything does become magnified. Some people cannot detect RBE on a RPTV, but can with FP. Yet, perhaps the very finest projectors in the world are DLPs.

Wow... is this problem with "bowing" adherent only to Samsung's or all DLP based displays:eek:? Oh and thanks for the proper explaination...:o

Regards, Bill :)

[Bryce_H]

I had a choice and chose a DLP (56") over plasma/LCD and love it. Can't be beat for value. For us it is in the "2nd theater" which is our living room. I have a dedicated HT in the basement with a FP and 106" screen.

The picture is fantastic and I have had no problems (owned since Oct 08).

[bandphan]

Wow... is this problem with "bowing" adherent only to Samsung's or all DLP based displays:eek:? Oh and thanks for the proper explaination...:o

Regards, Bill :)

Sammy seems to be more likely to experience it..;)

[billy p]

Sammy seems to be more likely to experience it..;)

Whew...:o:)!

[bandphan]

I believe the new G10's from Panasonic will be in that price range(here's hoping:D)in Canada and I would look no further, unless of course you up the anti and go with the new Samsung LED's.

dont think it was Chris as our new mod is on vacation or hiatus:confused:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/member.php?u=31819


edit... its your sig not a comment sorry

[billy p]

dont think it was Chris as our new mod is on vacation or hiatus:confused:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/member.php?u=31819


edit... its your sig not a comment sorry

I guess that I should change it... with him being a Mod:o. I'll assume people will be less apt to criticize him:).

[lsiberian]

The Rainbow Effect doesn't exist on the new LED DLPs. It is a product of the color wheel. Though I would never suggest any thing involving a PJ for the faint of hear. PJs tend to have more issues IME. However the LED DLP tv was the best looking tv's i've seen and the only one I would own.

[Bryce_H]

My DLP is a Sammy and I have no bowing - I even checked after this thread.

[Tomorrow]

Lemme give a +1 to Rat's and Mud's recommendation. Go plasma. IMHO they will give you the very best picture at that size, and in all light (controlled) situations. (Except in Canada, where the lighting is different. ;))

Naw, J/K. As AVRAT says..."PANNY PLASMA...PANNY PLASMA..." Great value, especially purchased at Costco. No burn-in issues on either of ours. I like them much better than the LCD we own...no off-axis greying. No fast action blurring.

Congrats for saving up 3db. You're going to enjoy your new toy.

[billy p]

I would dearly love the new LED's from Samsung, but my budget is about 3G's and they're well above what I'm willing to pay. I'm just wondering if anyone has compared them along side the new Panny's and what are their thoughts?
Regards, Bill:)

[bandphan]

I would dearly love the new LED's from Samsung, but my budget is about 3G's and they're well above what I'm willing to pay. I'm just wondering if anyone has compared them along side the new Panny's and what are their thoughts?
Regards, Bill:)

HDGs first look.

http://hdguru.com/samsung-un46b8000-240hz-lcd-led-tv-exclusive-first-review/429/

[billy p]

HDGs first look.

http://hdguru.com/samsung-un46b8000-240hz-lcd-led-tv-exclusive-first-review/429/

thanks for posting that review!! :)

[bandphan]

On a different note Samsung announced yesterday that the 31" OLED is production ready. Time wise is still no dated.

[DTV TiVo Dealer]

As the new crop of back-lit LED LCD's are beginning to appear we decided to mix the best of the latest plasmas along side of the best 240Hz back-lit LEDs at our annual flat panel shoot-out.

In our main showroom we're assembling a video wall with every premium manufacturers' flagship flat panel. We selected only the high-end 240Hz back-lit LED LCDs and high-end plasma. The panels will all be calibrated to the highest standards and we'll demonstrate and evaluating them in the pre and post calibrated modes.

In our theater room JVC's HD750 will face-off with Epson's 7500.

The event will be webcast live and we're limiting the audience attendance to 80 participants who can attend the event in person.

Here's a preview of the event in a You Tube video we produced. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRJb8901okY

Enjoy!

-Robert

[mike c]

let me thread jack this :)

is it true that pioneer plasma is the best plasma out there, or is it a bunch of hype?
(i do believe sony high end LCD models are better than samsung high end models for example)

or should i go panny? (ano recommended models? preferably below 3k [or way below depending on how big of a difference]) 40" and above

are LED's out and affordable now?

i need a new panel for another location in the house, so i wish to trickle the technology down (moving my bedroom LCD to the computer room and the computer room 720p lcd downstairs)
if i'm going for a new panel, it has to be better than my current LCD:
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KDL40XBR5-BRAVIA-Flat-Panel/dp/B000TAEGLU/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1244978231&sr=1-4
looks something like that not sure of the series though

[bandphan]

let me thread jack this :)

is it true that pioneer plasma is the best plasma out there, or is it a bunch of hype? Measured hype;)
(i do believe sony high end LCD models are better than samsung high end models for example)

or should i go panny? (ano recommended models? preferably below 3k [or way below depending on how big of a difference]) 40" and above

are LED's out and affordable now?

i need a new panel for another location in the house, so i wish to trickle the technology down (moving my bedroom LCD to the computer room and the computer room 720p lcd downstairs)
if i'm going for a new panel, it has to be better than my current LCD:
http://www.amazon.com/Sony-KDL40XBR5-BRAVIA-Flat-Panel/dp/B000TAEGLU/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1244978231&sr=1-4
looks something like that not sure of the series though

the led/lcd units are still over hyped, motion blur is a issue that isnt over come yet. While units like the XBR8 have great color at a still, off axis and thru moton, resolution isnt impressive. Id get a panny and save some duckets:)

[mike c]

(ano recommended models? preferably below 3k [or way below depending on how big of a difference]) 40" and above


what an idiot. lol. word in bold is filipino for "what". sorry, i didn't know what i was thinking :D

the led/lcd units are still over hyped, motion blur is a issue that isnt over come yet. While units like the XBR8 have great color at a still, off axis and thru moton, resolution isnt impressive. Id get a panny and save some duckets:)

ok, scratch LED's.

measure hype? so does that mean they're good? or not better at all? :confused:

if you had the choice, plasma or lcd, which would YOU get? (40-50" size)

[bandphan]

what an idiot. lol. word in bold is filipino for "what". sorry, i didn't know what i was thinking :D



ok, scratch LED's.

measure hype? so does that mean they're good? or not better at all? :confused: YES

if you had the choice, plasma or lcd, which would YOU get? (40-50" size) I own 2 elites 8 and 9gs

unless its the elite, get the panny TC-P58G10:)

and fwiw, the LEDs are Lcds with led edge/backlighting

[mike c]

there's a panny 58"er or is that really 54"?

[bandphan]

there's a panny 58"er or is that really 54"?

54 my bad:o

[annunaki]

Much agreed with badphan here.

Though LCD has made great strides, the inherent flaws with the tech still plague it, most notably off axis response. Most LCD's, including the local dimming LED, have a +/-10 degree viewing window. Outside of that, everything you paid for is more or less useless as your black levels and color accuracy are now shot.

Plasma is STILL the way to go if you are after the highest quality, most realistic representation for video playback (projectors excluded).

[Warpdrv]

Mike, there are 58" panny's, last years models are being closed out at really good prices, and the new larger models (58" and 65") are yet to be released, but they will be by the end of the summer or early fall - which is typical time frames for them...

If you are looking at last years models, look at the 850 models, which allow the best tweakability options and can be custom calibrated if thats your thing, but I found my 65" panny 850 to be fantastic, with standard user adjustment and calibration disks...

Look here for model #'s https://clevelandplasma.com/store/plasma_tv_s/panasonic

They are a very reputable sales site... with great respect and are a forum sponsor on AVS... :)

[billy p]

Mike what are the prices in your vested area? The 50" G10 retails for 2699.00 cdn and the 50" S1 comes in at $2399.00 with TCP54S1 at 2999.00. I would prefer the thx certified G10 but I'm leaning towards the larger S1 display because my budget <3000.

Regards, Bill:)

[jostenmeat]

Mike, there are 58" panny's, last years models are being closed out at really good prices, and the new larger models (58" and 65") are yet to be released, but they will be by the end of the summer or early fall - which is typical time frames for them...

If you are looking at last years models, look at the 850 models, which allow the best tweakability options and can be custom calibrated if thats your thing, but I found my 65" panny 850 to be fantastic, with standard user adjustment and calibration disks...

Look here for model #'s https://clevelandplasma.com/store/plasma_tv_s/panasonic

They are a very reputable sales site... with great respect and are a forum sponsor on AVS... :)

+1. However, Costco will save you an additional $100 from Cleveland's price on the 58" 800u, while also throwing in for free an extended two years warranty. Most importantly, Costco has CS that others can only dream about. Not that Cleveland doesn't have good CS.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56315

[mike c]

Mike what are the prices in your vested area? The 50" G10 retails for 2699.00 cdn and the 50" S1 comes in at $2399.00 with TCP54S1 at 2999.00. I would prefer the thx certified G10 but I'm leaning towards the larger S1 display because my budget <3000.

Regards, Bill:)

usually, when given the choice over two series that are not that far from each other in price, i'll go for the higher series.

it looks like these are around 2k in the US. my tv stand is 63" wide, if i go bigger than 40" panel ... my bookshelves have to displace somewhere.

[mike c]

what does the G15 do better than the G10? (Sorry, specs are flying over my head - and i don't really believe in the other tv specs now)

bandphan, pioneer elite 46"er or panny 54"er Gsomething? which would you pick?

one more thing to note is that im around 4' away from the display most of the time :D

[billy p]

usually, when given the choice over two series that are not that far from each other in price, i'll go for the higher series.

it looks like these are around 2k in the US. my tv stand is 63" wide, if i go bigger than 40" panel ... my bookshelves have to displace somewhere.

I wish I had purchased a bigger tv stand the first time around...:o If and when I decide to get the new display anything larger than a 50" will require a wall mount and a host of other problems;):).

Good luck in your decision, Bill :)

[Warpdrv]

+1. However, Costco will save you an additional $100 from Cleveland's price on the 58" 800u, while also throwing in for free an extended two years warranty. Most importantly, Costco has CS that others can only dream about. Not that Cleveland doesn't have good CS.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56315

I agree with you 100% but my point in looking at Cleveland Plasma was that you could get the 850 series which offers more tweakability, that the lower quality product from costco (800 series) does not have those options....

I looked at the Costco stuff, in fact at the time, I could have gotten 2 plasmas for a damn nice deal, but they have less options and that got me concerned. Not everyone needs the extra options, but I know mike cares about these minor things and strives forth to attain the better product...

[jostenmeat]

I agree with you 100% but my point in looking at Cleveland Plasma was that you could get the 850 series which offers more tweakability, that the lower quality product from costco (800 series) does not have those options....

I looked at the Costco stuff, in fact at the time, I could have gotten 2 plasmas for a damn nice deal, but they have less options and that got me concerned. Not everyone needs the extra options, but I know mike cares about these minor things and strives forth to attain the better product...

Ah yeah. I've been really pushing "bigger" displays lately, so forgive my one-track mind. :p Just to beat the dead horse, while sticking to my tunnel vision, I do think as far as the 58" is concerned, or in fact any size is concerned, right now the sweetspot deal is the 58" 800u. Significantly better PQ than 80/85 series, while having shipping included, and 2yr warranty. The 58" 850 is $3100 shipped, and to take advantage of its abilities will mean another $400 for pro calibration as far as most of us are concerned, for the total of $3500. That's a 75% price increase. Otherwise the 800u is more accurate OTB, namely in THX mode IIRC.

However, now that I see what mike's viewing distance is!!!...


one more thing to note is that im around 4' away from the display most of the time :D

I would not opt for anything larger than 42". Of course 1080p is an absolute must, as is the best video processing you can afford. 42" is 41.7 viewing angle from 4ft. I'd dig around on the reviews some more. Definitely Panasonic.

[rekced]

In less than 3 monthes time I'll have my 1st wide screen TV. I'm soo looking fiorward to it. However, I don't which technology route to follow. Should I go with plasma or LCD as plasma seems to be cheaper now than LCD and offer better black levels. Any advice?


When the price is equal, there is nothing a plasma can't do better. Go ahead.

Exceptions:

1. Power consumption. LCDs are not always better in this area, but usually they average out lower.

http://reviews.cnet.com/green-tech/tv-consumption-chart/

2. Weight of the TV. LCDs are typically lighter.

3. Maximum brightness. This is irrelevant for people who make any attempt whatsoever to tune their picture for accuracy.

4. Reflection. LCD manufactures have the option of putting a flat matte finish on their screens to defuse glare. However, a lot of makers now are using glossy gimmick coatings right on the screen to create the illusion of richer colors and deeper blacks in a bright room. That feature doesn't really help anything except create buying appeal for the untrained eye. LCD makers will stick with it until regular folk become well informed enough to tell 'em where to stick it. Plasmas are perfectly bright and visible in a bright room and never attempt to make their screens "extra glossy". When I first saw this feature becoming common I honestly couldn't believe it, but it works.. People actually like it.

If none of those four things absolutely knock your socks off, get a decent plasma. They have a better viewing angle, more color detail, lower pixel response time (never had inherent motion issues) and better black levels. They actually look like a real TV. I can't say the same about even $5,000 LCDs, LED or fluorescent backlit models (notice they call them "LED TVs", trying to make consumers think it's something newer than LCD. This is the mentality where that market thrives!).


Brutal enough?


P.S. I have suggested to people on occasion that they should buy LCDs if they have huge windows or skylights, but that was probably because I didn't care about their actual viewing experience or wanting to keep the conversation short. In reality I would buy a plasma even if I was watching the ****ing thing outdoors.

[3db]

I agree with you 100% but my point in looking at Cleveland Plasma was that you could get the 850 series which offers more tweakability, that the lower quality product from costco (800 series) does not have those options....

I looked at the Costco stuff, in fact at the time, I could have gotten 2 plasmas for a damn nice deal, but they have less options and that got me concerned. Not everyone needs the extra options, but I know mike cares about these minor things and strives forth to attain the better product...

I happened to stroll throug Costclo over the weekend and found a 52" Plasma made by Samsung for $1800. Cdn . How well do Samsung Plasma's fair against the Pannies? I own a Samusng washer/dryer that just work really well with ruthless efficeincy but thats so different from TVs ;)

[mike c]

I would not opt for anything larger than 42". Of course 1080p is an absolute must, as is the best video processing you can afford. 42" is 41.7 viewing angle from 4ft. I'd dig around on the reviews some more. Definitely Panasonic.

my bad. that was from memory. i took out a tape measure ... 60" distance :D

54" still in the running? :)
honestly, i'm saving some money - can't buy one yet ... if that was the next on the list, i can order 1 in 5 months

[bandphan]

my bad. that was from memory. i took out a tape measure ... 60" distance :D

54" still in the running? :)
honestly, i'm saving some money - can't buy one yet ... if that was the next on the list, i can order 1 in 5 months

50-54" at 5 feet is just fine:)

[Warpdrv]

I've heard the Samsungs are really getting better.... Can't say to what degree of comparison.... Maybe someone can chime in on that Mike...

Go on costco's site, and look up the model #'s, when I checked last, some people gave them less stars and complained about buzzing and other issues...
Please don't take anything I said to any certain degree, I don't know anything about Samsungs whatsoever, just do your usual research and that will lead the way....

[Khorn]

I recently bought a 50" plasma for "serious" viewing as my main consideration is picture quality for that application (Blu-ray & HDTV quality programming).

I am now shopping for a 40" - 50" LCD as a "second" or bedroom tv so I can watch CNN type stuff with bars and scrolls and whatever for sustained periods of time without any concerns.

IMHO for ultimate PQ at this point in time a good plasma can't be surpassed.
For "all round" use I'd go with LCD.

I was caught in the same position and decided the answer for me was to get both although I do realize it could be expensive to do so.

[jostenmeat]

my bad. that was from memory. i took out a tape measure ... 60" distance :D

54" still in the running? :)
honestly, i'm saving some money - can't buy one yet ... if that was the next on the list, i can order 1 in 5 months

50-54" at 5 feet is just fine:)

Really, it depends on the source material and personal preference, Mike. If you are like me, and watch only native hidef bluray, obviously you can go bigger. If you are watching local TV, well then I recommend smaller.

If, say, 99% bluray from 5ft, my personal preference would be 52". So, I guess I'll say 50" for you.

If you were mperfct, you would have a TV that was actually bigger than 65". :eek: However, he has anamorphic setup. Still, 65" at 16:9 is still close to his preference, IIRC.

[sawzalot]

I've heard the Samsungs are really getting better.... Can't say to what degree of comparison.... Maybe someone can chime in on that Mike...

Go on costco's site, and look up the model #'s, when I checked last, some people gave them less stars and complained about buzzing and other issues...
Please don't take anything I said to any certain degree, I don't know anything about Samsungs whatsoever, just do your usual research and that will lead the way....
How are you liking your 65" Panny Warp ??I was wondering how much light your viewing area gets or do you darken it up during early afternoon matinee and or sports programs.I am curious as I love that panel and would consider it for my next purchase but my HT area is rather bright in the afternoon so it really concerns me,thanks for your input.

[NicolasKL]

Plasmas are perfectly bright and visible in a bright room and never attempt to make their screens "extra glossy".

That's because they're already essentially at maximum glossiness.


In reality I would buy a plasma even if I was watching the ****ing thing outdoors.

Yeah, that'd be great, because then instead of watching movies you could watch the reflection of trees and wildlife on your TV. Plasmas absolutely have a better picture than LCDs. And they absolutely have a serious problem with reflections in rooms that can't be well light controlled.

[Warpdrv]

How are you liking your 65" Panny Warp ??I was wondering how much light your viewing area gets or do you darken it up during early afternoon matinee and or sports programs.I am curious as I love that panel and would consider it for my next purchase but my HT area is rather bright in the afternoon so it really concerns me,thanks for your input.

Hey sawzalot.....

My room is pretty darn bright to be certain, and for games that are playing in the daytime hours I honestly don't have any issues, the sunlight is only flooding into the room, not directly onto the screen.... With games, most if not all the content is very bright so it is a non issue. Yesterday my woman and I were watching The Da Vinci Code early evening, and its a pretty dark movie for the most part so there were some times that it was not optimal viewing, but at night it is absolutly flawless... I truly love this plasma - it is to date the best I have owned and easily comparable to the best pioneer my friend has, for the difference in cost I can easily live with the slightly lesser darks, but it is really a spectacular set... I am still thrilled...

The price has dropped significantly and is a fantastic value for sure...

[Adam]

And they absolutely have a serious problem with reflections in rooms that can't be well light controlled.

Just a note - my new Panny G10 has an anti-reflective coating on it that works really well (at least that I've noticed so far). The screen will show more reflections if looking at it from the side (but not bad), but straight on it really mutes the reflections.

I was nervous about lighting because I have two windows behind my seating area and one large patio door off to the side. So far, I haven't noticed a problem. The thing that reflects, and that I noticed and was bothered by at the store, is the shiny bezel.

[bandphan]

Just a note - my new Panny G10 has an anti-reflective coating on it that works really well (at least that I've noticed so far). The screen will show more reflections if looking at it from the side (but not bad), but straight on it really mutes the reflections.

I was nervous about lighting because I have two windows behind my seating area and one large patio door off to the side. So far, I haven't noticed a problem. The thing that reflects, and that I noticed and was bothered by at the store, is the shiny bezel.

Unless you are in the worst room at all times, plasma should be an option to purchase for a display. Glad you like yours Adam. :)

[3db]

Ok I'm going with Plasma. Everyone has mentioned Panny as the best Plasma but the place I've been going too that sold me my PSB speakers and Yamaha receiver doesn't carry Panasonic. They carry Samsung and Sharp and a few others. I know Samsung does do plasma but I don't know if Sharp does them as well. Also, how does Samsung stack up to Panny? Its goign to be a tight budget...looking at no more than $1800 Cnd taxes in for a 52" ..

[annunaki]

For one Plasma typically does not come in 52" sizes.

For me the Panasonic's always had better blacks. While the Samsung's had accurate color & clarity, they were much more reflective, and did not have quite as much "pop" due to higher contrast with the Panasonic's. The other is the fact that Samsung's, on average, have needed service more often than Panasonic's (not just with plasma, but all sets).

[bandphan]

Ok I'm going with Plasma. Everyone has mentioned Panny as the best Plasma but the place I've been going too that sold me my PSB speakers and Yamaha receiver doesn't carry Panasonic. They carry Samsung and Sharp and a few others. I know Samsung does do plasma but I don't know if Sharp does them as well. Also, how does Samsung stack up to Panny? Its goign to be a tight budget...looking at no more than $1800 Cnd taxes in for a 52" ..

I concur with annunaki. Sammys are 50 or 58 in your size range. Costco Canada has the Panasonic TC50PS14 for 1999, the x14, for 1399 both less taxes

[billy p]

Ok I'm going with Plasma. Everyone has mentioned Panny as the best Plasma but the place I've been going too that sold me my PSB speakers and Yamaha receiver doesn't carry Panasonic. They carry Samsung and Sharp and a few others. I know Samsung does do plasma but I don't know if Sharp does them as well. Also, how does Samsung stack up to Panny? Its goign to be a tight budget...looking at no more than $1800 Cnd taxes in for a 52" ..

how often do you buy a display...just a thought? I'd wait on Future Shop because you know they'll have a massive sale...they always do, or get them to price match;). FWIW the other day the 50" S1 was on sale for 1999.99 and prior to that sale the G10 which included a free BRP was listed at 2699.00.

Just my 2 cents, Bill..:)
PS: I'm itching to get my display but I'm going to enjoy my summer and save the extra dough and do it right...:cool::)

[dobyblue]

FWIW the 58" V10 should be in Canada by the end of Summer.

[billy p]

FWIW the 58" V10 should be in Canada by the end of Summer.

will almost certainly be out of my price range! Just wondering unless your a tweak freak or ISF savvy there shouldn't be much if any difference bewteen the V & G series?

[mike c]

Cheers

sorry to ruin the fun guys. but i smell spam ...

Cheers!

[bandphan]

sorry to ruin the fun guys. but i smell spam ...

Cheers!

You bubble burster :D

[skaks]

Do you have a budget for your TV, new products are coming out in the next 3 months, so if you are willing to get a last years model, there will be some great deals to be had...

New 58" & 65" Plasma's will be late summer, so the old models will drop in price to clear out inventory, in fact they are already dropping quite a bit.

[Chopin_Guy]

I mentioned it in my other thread...but there are indeed great deals to be had at the moment with the new models rolling in...especially if you don't have an objection to picking up a 2008 model. I snagged a Pioneer Elite Pro-111FD for $2,399...but have seen the Panasonic TH-50PZ850 for $1,498..TH-58PZ800U for $1,910....TH-58PZ850U $2,399 -- to name just a few. And the prices are dropping pretty good even on the new Panasonics -- you can get the TC-P54G10 for $1,700 at OneCall. In short, you have no shortages of good deals on 2008 models or good prices on the newly released Panasonics...

[3db]

Budget is $1300. cdn taxes in which is low but thats all I have. :(

[Chopin_Guy]

I poked around a bit, and given your budget, I think the best bet is definitely the panasonic plasma which has been recommended many times here. If you shop around well, you should be able to find the TC-P46G10 at or maybe a few bucks over your budget price....

[billy p]

Budget is $1300. cdn taxes in which is low but thats all I have. :(

You might want to consider going with a <50" display. Here are some good prices on the Panny's.... http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/subclass.asp?logon=&langid=EN&catid=23249

Those prices on the G10 Stateside are bloody ridiculos....they're double that here...:rolleyes:

Regards, Bill

[DaleAV]

Prices are bound to 'settle' more over time.

[Alex2507]

Budget is $1300. cdn taxes in which is low but thats all I have. :(

Well, if you stop buying records for 3 months your budget will be up and the prices will be down ... :)

Just saying ... :D

[katmu]

I finally ordered my TV yesterday and now I'm wondering if I should have shopped a bit more for price. I ordered the Panasonic TC-P42G10 for $938 through 6th Ave on Amazon. Good price? Anyone have experience with 6th Ave?

[Adam]

That price is pretty good. Buydig.com has it for $900 with some free cables (probably about $20 worth of stuff), but that's not a huge difference. I've read some good things about 6th Avenue, and I feel more comfortable when I buy through Amazon because of their customer service if something goes wrong.

[mike171979]

Frys currently has a 60" LG 1080p Plasma, that is THX certified for only $1500.

Unbelievable price for a great set.

[3db]

Well, if you stop buying records for 3 months your budget will be up and the prices will be down ... :)

Just saying ... :D


but but but :o

[annunaki]

I finally ordered my TV yesterday and now I'm wondering if I should have shopped a bit more for price. I ordered the Panasonic TC-P42G10 for $938 through 6th Ave on Amazon. Good price? Anyone have experience with 6th Ave?

Good price!!

[bandphan]

Another example that plasma still wins out:)

http://www.displaymate.com/LCD_Plasma_ShootOut.htm

Note that all models were from 08 and range from mid to tol units. Also note how poor off axis color spec is on all of the LCD :rolleyes:

[lsiberian]

Another example that plasma still wins out:)

http://www.displaymate.com/LCD_Plasma_ShootOut.htm

Note that all models were from 08 and range from mid to tol units. Also note how poor off axis color spec is on all of the LCD :rolleyes:

I wish they'd brough in the Kuro.

I've heard they run hot. my cousin was telling me he can feel the heat produced by one in his friends house. Not sure if something was wrong with the guy's TV. Sounded like it to me though.

[bandphan]

I wish they'd brough in the Kuro.

I've heard they run hot. my cousin was telling me he can feel the heat produced by one in his friends house. Not sure if something was wrong with the guy's TV. Sounded like it to me though.

Standing next to both of mine I feel the warmth, not hot though. If your in a cold room and walk next to the display you will feel it.

Robert did a shootout with the Kuros involved, Ill see if the results were posted.

[JAMS]

panny PLASMA,PANAY,PLASMA, WELL THATS WHAT I FINNALLY DECIDED TOO BUY,50" stood out next to the 42",and im watching 13ft away!
Its fine and dandy going on 2yrs now!

[3db]

Which Panny plasma model sghould I be looking at? Please remember taht I live in Canada and the model numbers may differ. Which series then in the Panny should I be looking at then?

Many thanks.

[bandphan]

Which Panny plasma model sghould I be looking at? Please remember taht I live in Canada and the model numbers may differ. Which series then in the Panny should I be looking at then?

Many thanks.

The G series if it is in your budget, assuming that the record purchases will stop for couple of months:D

[nibhaz]

The G series if it is in your budget, assuming that the record purchases will stop for couple of months:D

I’d have to second bandphan’s nod to the G10 panels.

With that being said, if you are willing to follow a strict break-in procedure and are willing to visit the SM, you can get a pretty good picture out the S1 panels as well.

I thought I would have some buyers remorse after my S1 impulse buy, but after doing the above, I couldn’t be happier with the picture I have now.

Just throwing that out there just incase you have a hard time finding a G10 in the size you are looking for.

[add1t]

can't go wrong with plasma
so, voted for plasma :D

[bluebirdy]

Plasma are the way to go Pany are real goood. Though i have sony bravia plasma but still pany are cheaper than Sony.

[3db]

Well, I picked out my new big screen after much hunting around the city. Took 2 days during a house move to look and I was getting discouraged. First off, I could not afford the Panny plasma's. As much as I loved the look of their G series, it was way out of my budget and no matter what store carried them, they were not willing to budge on price. So I settled for the LCD route instead. Not ideal I know but its better than nothing.

I looked at Samsung and after discussing with a few dealers, I thought I'd leave them alone from a customer support perspective. They were also at the upper end of my budget. I then went to Costco and spoke with a sales person there and he directed me to Vizio. I"ve seen them before but dismissed them because it was not a brand I recognized before. So I took a hardlook at both teh Samsung, Sharp Aquos and Vizio sets and I could not detect any weaknesses of the Vizio compared to the other sets. All appeared equal in their black level resolution and I really liked the colour. More importantly, my spouse agreed with its price which was $1099.00 Cdn which saved me $300.00. I took it home and connected it up and I must say that I like what I see so far. I'm a happy camper. Just need a blu ray player now...

[bandphan]

http://hdguru.com/the-new-king-of-hdtv-displays-panasonics-tc-p54v10-reviewed/458/

The 54" V series from Panasonic gets stellar marks for proformance, including some area besting of the Elite 141(which I own:() One of the more interesting notes on measured brightness: vivid mode produced an amazingly insane number, 87.9 ft. Lamberts; so those that say they need more contrast in bright rooms, you have it (not that i would recommend it). Calibrated to 47.6 Ft Lamberts in custom mode, would compare to many top calibrated LCDs. The difference in street price between the G and V 54 is said to be in the 3-400 dollar range.

[AVRat]

Can't wait to see a review of the 65"ers! S1 vs V10 models!

[jostenmeat]

I looked at Samsung and after discussing with a few dealers, I thought I'd leave them alone from a customer support perspective. They were also at the upper end of my budget. I then went to Costco and spoke with a sales person there and he directed me to Vizio. I"ve seen them before but dismissed them because it was not a brand I recognized before. So I took a hardlook at both teh Samsung, Sharp Aquos and Vizio sets and I could not detect any weaknesses of the Vizio compared to the other sets. All appeared equal in their black level resolution and I really liked the colour. More importantly, my spouse agreed with its price which was $1099.00 Cdn which saved me $300.00. I took it home and connected it up and I must say that I like what I see so far. I'm a happy camper. Just need a blu ray player now...

Did they have any Vizio plasmas in? How long do you have to return the item, just very curiously? How big is the set?

[dobyblue]

First off, I could not afford the Panny plasma's. As much as I loved the look of their G series, it was way out of my budget and no matter what store carried them, they were not willing to budge on price. So I settled for the LCD route instead. Not ideal I know but its better than nothing.

I am sorry to hear that - I know that at the end of the day what matters is that you like it...but if you could see a G10 at home, not in the store light, beside the Vizio LCD I think you would have waited even another 6 months to afford the picture you deserved.

:o

[3db]

Did they have any Vizio plasmas in? How long do you have to return the item, just very curiously? How big is the set?

I have 3 monthes to return the item. I didn't see any plasmas by Vizio and the set is 47" . Unlike Audioholic's review of the last 47" set, (things haved changed since 2008 :D ) , its a 1 man lift out of the box and it has 4 HDMI, 2component video, 2 composite inputs, a toslink audio out and an rgb computer input with a mini jack for audio in.

[jostenmeat]

I have 3 monthes to return the item. I didn't see any plasmas by Vizio and the set is 47".

I believe that's the same as in the US. Then I assume you also have the free extended 2 yr warranty.

Cool, you've got 3 months to find that plasma! :eek::o

This is going to be a personal mission of mine. :eek::o

[jostenmeat]

This is going to be a personal mission of mine. :eek::o

OK, here's my first effort:

I'd PM this guy for where he's finding these prices.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16786270

See if there's any validity here, slim chances but who knows.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1166396

If you're ok with 720 p, some 42" choices. If you are further than 7' from TV, you won't notice any difference between 720 and 1080.

Panny
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926HDS0010121054&catid=23249

Sammy
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926HDS0010120713&catid=23249

LG
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926HDS0010121157&catid=23249

But the first link seems to have better deals, when given the size increase.

Hm, you're right, it's tough up there!

[3db]

OK, here's my first effort:

I'd PM this guy for where he's finding these prices.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16786270

See if there's any validity here, slim chances but who knows.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1166396

If you're ok with 720 p, some 42" choices. If you are further than 7' from TV, you won't notice any difference between 720 and 1080.

Panny
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926HDS0010121054&catid=23249

Sammy
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926HDS0010120713&catid=23249

LG
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926HDS0010121157&catid=23249

But the first link seems to have better deals, when given the size increase.

Hm, you're right, it's tough up there!


Thanks for your effort Josten. I appreciate this.

The one thing that LCD does have over Plasma is that the screens on Plasmas are highly reflective, way more than LCD which makes them harder to place in a room with poor lighting control. Thats the only advantage I see.

[Adam]

The one thing that LCD does have over Plasma is that the screens on Plasmas are highly reflective, way more than LCD which makes them harder to place in a room with poor lighting control. Thats the only advantage I see.

I don't agree. I don't believe that is an inherent advantage or disadvantage for either technology. My plasma has a very effective anti-reflective coating on the screen. Reflections don't bother me, and I have ambient light coming from all directions in my living room. One of the reasons that I picked this plasma was for the lack of reflections on the screen, seeing as how many of the LCD displays these days have highly reflective screens on purpose. I didn't check out the Samsung LCDs with the mat finish on the display, but I've heard that those are also nice.

[Pyrrho]

...

If you're ok with 720 p, some 42" choices. If you are further than 7' from TV, you won't notice any difference between 720 and 1080.
...

If someone has 20/20 vision, that is not correct. It is 8.19 feet for a 42" TV at 720p. See:

http://www.digital-digest.com/articles/HDTV_Viewing_Distance_Calculator_Guide_page1.html

Just the calculator:

http://www.digital-digest.com/articles/viewing_distance.php

See also:

http://s3.carltonbale.com/distance_chart.html

If your vision is worse than 20/20, then you can sit closer without any issues, but how much closer will depend upon how much worse than 20/20 your vision is.

I personally have a 768p TV, and for that I can sit a little closer. My TV is about 8 feet away from my eyes when on my couch. I cannot see any individual pixel at that distance. Of course, any source that is less than the resolution of the TV, like a regular DVD, does not look as sharp and clear as something that is as high as the resolution of my TV, but because of the pixel size on the TV, I can never see any individual pixels in any case.

I recommend using the calculator above to determine if it is worthwhile to get 1080p instead of 720p (or 768p) for a particular size TV at the distance one will actually view it, keeping in mind that one can be a bit closer if one's vision is bad. But remember, when your guests are there, if their vision is good, they will be seeing pixels if your seating is too close.

[3db]

I don't agree. I don't believe that is an inherent advantage or disadvantage for either technology. My plasma has a very effective anti-reflective coating on the screen. Reflections don't bother me, and I have ambient light coming from all directions in my living room. One of the reasons that I picked this plasma was for the lack of reflections on the screen, seeing as how many of the LCD displays these days have highly reflective screens on purpose. I didn't check out the Samsung LCDs with the mat finish on the display, but I've heard that those are also nice.

This Vizio I bought has virtually no reflections .... I wonder why manufactures of LCD displays would weaken their one inherent strength of very little reflections by introducing glass? That doesn't make sense. :confused:

[bandphan]

This Vizio I bought has virtually no reflections .... I wonder why manufactures of LCD displays would weaken their one inherent strength of very little reflections by introducing glass? That doesn't make sense. :confused:
Protection from many things including children. Trust me when I say that the pannys (pioneers also) do not put off any annoying reflections. The worst part of my two are the shinny black bezels, which are highly reflective. I'm watching. Episode 3 right now with two windows open in the BR and zero issues

[nibhaz]

Protection from many things including children. Trust me when I say that the pannys (pioneers also) do not put off any annoying reflections. The worst part of my two are the shinny black bezels, which is highly reflective. I'm watching. Episode 3 right now with two windows open in the BR and zero issues

That’s defiantly the worst offender on my Panny, the screen itself holds up amazingly well in full daylight.

[jostenmeat]

Thanks for your effort Josten. I appreciate this.

You're welcome! I did try, after hitting the name in some search, DirectBuy or something like that. I clicked on visitor pass, and I don't where you live in CA, and used some Ontario zip, but I had no luck in getting to TV prices. What is the reputation that DirectBuy has up there? It appears membership is needed, like with Costco.

The one thing that LCD does have over Plasma is that the screens on Plasmas are highly reflective, way more than LCD which makes them harder to place in a room with poor lighting control. Thats the only advantage I see.

I thought you said basement, so I searched:


The new house I'll be moving into has a finished basement which is oddly shaped but still workable.
screen size will be between 46" and 56" and will be in a basement where there is some control of ambient light.

So, that's a moot point.


If someone has 20/20 vision, that is not correct. It is 8.19 feet for a 42" TV at 720p. See:

Just the calculator:

http://www.digital-digest.com/articles/viewing_distance.php

Thanks for the correction and calculator. That will help me be more precise in the future. It's hard to eyeball it from the CB graph.

See also:

http://s3.carltonbale.com/distance_chart.html

I've always liked ThA tRiXtA's tweaking of it. :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v471/tha_trixta/resolution2.png

[droht]

Protection from many things including children. Trust me when I say that the pannys (pioneers also) do not put off any annoying reflections. The worst part of my two are the shinny black bezels, which are highly reflective. I'm watching. Episode 3 right now with two windows open in the BR and zero issues

:confused: My Pioneer 5070 is pretty reflective, especially compared to most of the better LCDs I've seen. Not saying you can't watch in moderate light, but it is so much better in a dark/dimly lit room with no light source shining directly at screen.

If my room didn't have good light control I would have gone LCD instead of the Pio for sure. That was a while back though. It seems like some plasmas have gone with AR coatings, and some LCDs have gone glossy and reflective.

[bluebirdy]

I don`t like Pioneer produtcs. Sony is the best has got the best lcd TVs. Plasma are usually used in a environment where you can control excess light. I have a 42 inch LCD Sony Tv and its working pretty good.

[bandphan]

:confused: My Pioneer 5070 is pretty reflective, especially compared to most of the better LCDs I've seen. Not saying you can't watch in moderate light, but it is so much better in a dark/dimly lit room with no light source shining directly at screen.

If my room didn't have good light control I would have gone LCD instead of the Pio for sure. That was a while back though. It seems like some plasmas have gone with AR coatings, and some LCDs have gone glossy and reflective.


Your a couple generations removed from the current offerings, so comparing your display wouldnt be the most accurate.

I don`t like Pioneer produtcs. Sony is the best has got the best lcd TVs. Plasma are usually used in a environment where you can control excess light. I have a 42 inch LCD Sony Tv and its working pretty good.

That a good subjective statment:rolleyes: So whats wrong with pioneer? Tell us what model sony lcd you have....

[lsiberian]

I don`t like Pioneer produtcs. Sony is the best has got the best lcd TVs. Plasma are usually used in a environment where you can control excess light. I have a 42 inch LCD Sony Tv and its working pretty good.

I don't like pioneer either and will never buy a product from that company.(personal preferences soldering bad connections on a receiver) However the Panasonic Plasma's are way better than the Sony TVs. Contrast ratio is everything even in ambient lighting. Constrast is more important than resolution IMO.

Pioneer aint the only plasma seller out there. Panasonic has always treated me extremely well.

Sony makes good LCDs but LCD just isn't on the level with Plasmas.

[PSWii60]

Simply put...PLASMA

[jostenmeat]

Simply put...PLASMA

Hey! Where ya been?!

[Adam]

Simply put...PLASMA

Hey! Where ya been?!

No kidding! Welcome back, man!

[celica]

Simply put...PLASMA<img src="http://www.images-avsforum.com/avs/R/P.jpg" onerror="this.src='http://images-avsforum.com:/avs.jpg'">

+1 Sir
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[juiceblrc]

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[juiceblrc]

have to bump up my post count to 5 to send pm's.
sorry.

[juiceblrc]

got 5 now. :D

[iso9001]

Simply put...LCD

As far as tech goes, plasma is OK, but I think LCD has the longer haul.

Esp with local dimming led backlighting.

[DaleAV]

Simply put...LCD

As far as tech goes, plasma is OK, but I think LCD has the longer haul.

Esp with local dimming led backlighting.

I agree, only because most of the public can not appreciate the difference.

[Warpdrv]

Simply put...LCD

As far as tech goes, plasma is OK, but I think LCD has the longer haul.

Esp with local dimming led backlighting.

Sorry -- I have to whole heartedly disagree altogether - I'll give Dale the benefit of the doubt, that most of the public can't appreciate the difference, but there is one, and here is the thread that proves the point.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57922

My new 37" Proscan LCD (info below) did not handle the trial run with Xbox 360 game Mass Effect very well. The Xbox dashboard and static images look absolutely gorgeous, but fast action looks slightly blurry. When I pan the camera quickly around the game character, it creates this weird double image effect where there is a ghost of the character's face where he just was. It is very easy to see this effect when I try to provoke it. I only see that particular double-image effect when I try to provoke it, but action scenes still feel blurry and just don't feel right. And I got a headache after playing for an hour, which doesn't normally happen.

[DaleAV]

Maybe I should have stated it more clearly. I believe LCD will have a longer haul because most people can not appreciate the advantage of plasma.
After reading my previous post again, I thought it could be taken differently.

Although, LCD has made significant progress, outside of a brighter picture (better in more brightly lit rooms) dollar for dollar, plasma will get you a better picture overall IMO.

[Warpdrv]

Maybe I should have stated it more clearly. I believe LCD will have a longer haul because most people can not appreciate the advantage of plasma.
After reading my previous post again, I thought it could be taken differently.

Although, LCD has made significant progress, outside of a brighter picture (better in more brightly lit rooms) dollar for dollar, plasma will get you a better picture overall IMO.

I know your position already Dale, and that is exactly the way I took it, LCD will most certainly have a nice long shelf position in stores, but in no way is it my opinion that LCD exceeds the performance of Plasma by any stretch of the means... :)

[BudgetHT]

Hey guys. New to the site and if it wasn't for the info here I would have never discovered the truth about plasma.

I put together my first HT a little over a month ago. I had a small budget, but wanted a decent HT(upgrading from a 13 yr. old panasonic crt) so I bought a Yamaha YHT-391 HTIB(upgraded the center speaker to a Polk TSi CS10 for better dialogue), a Magnavox NB530MGX Blu-ray player, and a Vizio SV470 XVT 47" LCD.

I took all my new equipment home with thoughts of grandeur. I put it all together and fired it up and thought I had baddest HT on the block... It didn't last long.

I bought the Vizio due to all the hype about a great TV for the budget guy and the "don't buy a plasma. They burn up in a couple years" hype from my friends.

Well needless say, after a month of watching the Vizio I couldn't take it any more. The Vizio was just to bright, even with the back light turned down. The colors were over exaggerated, and the black level was lacking. I used the DVE disc for calibration with little PQ success(great disc, bad TV)

I took it back to Costco and came home with a Panasonic tc-p50s14. All I can say is WOW:eek::D I can't imagine what the G10 or even the S1 looks like because the S14 is leaps and bounds better than the Vizio.

I haven't calibrated the Panasonic yet, but I have the picture set to "standard", the color temp set to "warm", and black level set to "dark".

My wife and I were watching Planet Earth on Blu-ray last night and the colors on this set are very warm and realistic and the black levels are unbelievably pure(for lack of a better term).

I'm lovin' me some plasma.:D

[bandphan]

Hey guys. New to the site and if it wasn't for the info here I would have never discovered the truth about plasma.

I put together my first HT a little over a month ago. I had a small budget, but wanted a decent HT(upgrading from a 13 yr. old panasonic crt) so I bought a Yamaha YHT-391 HTIB(upgraded the center speaker to a Polk TSi CS10 for better dialogue), a Magnavox NB530MGX Blu-ray player, and a Vizio SV470 XVT 47" LCD.

I took all my new equipment home with thoughts of grandeur. I put it all together and fired it up and thought I had baddest HT on the block... It didn't last long.

I bought the Vizio due to all the hype about a great TV for the budget guy and the "don't buy a plasma. They burn up in a couple years" hype from my friends.

Well needless say, after a month of watching the Vizio I couldn't take it any more. The Vizio was just to bright, even with the back light turned down. The colors were over exaggerated, and the black level was lacking. I used the DVE disc for calibration with little PQ success(great disc, bad TV)

I took it back to Costco and came home with a Panasonic tc-p50s14. All I can say is WOW:eek::D I can't imagine what the G10 or even the S1 looks like because the S14 is leaps and bounds better than the Vizio.

I haven't calibrated the Panasonic yet, but I have the picture set to "standard", the color temp set to "warm", and black level set to "dark".

My wife and I were watching Planet Earth on Blu-ray last night and the colors on this set are very warm and realistic and the black levels are unbelievably pure(for lack of a better term).

I'm lovin' me some plasma.:D

That's a great move. I'd run a break in disc or use the display for about 100 hours the calibrate. Enjoy better pq thru plasma. :)

[BudgetHT]

I would like to run the break in disc, but my wife and daughter have been enjoying the TV so much I don't think they would let me run that thing for 100 hrs.:) I did set the aspect to "just" so there are no black bars on the side while watching SD channels and I have chomping at the bit to hit the 100 hr mark so I can calibrate it.
I went to Best buy yesterday to pick up an HDMI cable(no not Monster;) ) and they had a calibration display set up with a couple TC-P50S1 displays and the before and after calibration was amazing.

[bandphan]

Just a note. Check out monoprice.com. Place an order for extras, its worth it. I buy in bulk and love their CS.

[BudgetHT]

Thanks bandphan. I'll check it out. I bought a wall mount for it(newegg.com 59.99 shipped) and planned on mounting it this weekend so I needed a longer HDMI and optical cable. Ended up having to pay retail since I need it this weekend, but I'll look at monoprice for future cable needs for sure.:cool:

BTW. If anyone is interested in the TC-P50S14 Costco has them on sale for $999.99.

[annunaki]

I agree, only because most of the public can not appreciate the difference.


Or simply chooses to ignore it & follow the crowd. :confused:

[DaleAV]

Or simply chooses to ignore it & follow the crowd. :confused:

Nothing wrong with having different preferences. It is arriving at a decision after exploring other possibilities that makes a choice creditable.
One could follow a different crowd and get a plasma, just because a bunch of forum posters say it's the thing to do. :)