Do not buy from an Audioholics member

[randyb]

that knows a lot but does not perform. What can I say other than a moderator here knows about my complaints. If we can write about MLS, then we can write about that Ch guy. I have pretty much had it. Let's see where this thread goes. Wm own up?:mad:

[Adam]

Can you share some more information about why you're upset?

[randyb]

Can you share some more information about why you're upset?
Sure, a big investment in the mid 4 figures (paid in advance)to build superior speakers (augmented by Yamaha pro amps to be confiured for this-whcih I paid for but is in his posession) with a contract to complete by the end of November (which he insisted on not me) and lots of sorry's. By the way, the moderator who has also contracted with him did not answer my response about this so I held off, but I think it is now time to bring to a head. Gene, where are you-I was a big supporter of you when you started this great web site?

[Matt34]

Is Chris not working on them now.....when was the last communication you have had with him? He asked me if he could start working on yours three-four weeks ago because mine were taking so long which I agreed too. I know he's way past the due dates given out but we're not talking about off the shelf products here either. I feel bad about this and I hope he can get this resolved for you in a timely manner.

[randyb]

Is Chris not working on them now.....when was the last communication you have had with him? He asked me if he could start working on yours three-four weeks ago because mine were taking so long which I agreed too. I know he's way past the due dates given out but we're not talking about off the shelf products here either. I feel bad about this and I hope he can get this resolved for you in a timely manner.He was going to give me weekly updates but that also fell by the wayside. He needs to be held accountable. We are talking about contracts, promises, etc. It has nothing to do with off the shelf, it has to do with promises, and keeping a client in the loop. I gave him every opportunity (I am old and have given lots of latitude, but at some point you have to say "well they aren't really going to perform". I am at that point. I do not think he will pefrorm and believe I have lost my investment!-before posting a retort, think about losing a few thosand dollars)

[WmAx]

Randyb is of correct about the length of time delay. There is absolutely nothing I can do about that. But his speakers are in the process of being constructed at this very moment.

I do not have any sort of dedicated work shop (I have to do all largish cuts, finish work, etc. - outside - and I only have space to set up a single project to construct in the small prep area I have), and as the winter started to turn(with rain on most days combined with cold weather, I got stuck trying to finish another project that is due before Randy's, which belongs to Matt34. While Matt's is now nearly complete, I put it on the side to now work on Randy's speakers because of his extreme aggravation(which I completely understand, btw).

So, yes, I am taking a long time. I would be upset if I was Randy as well... but there is nothing I can do about it except for work on the speakers and deliver them when complete.

As far as updates, I did promise to give weekly updates, and I did not update him this week (last time was 2 weeks ago), but on some weeks nothing gets accomplished if it rains all weekend(I can only work on these large projects on weekends) or some other circumstance occurred that I did not get to work on them. As this last weekend, I did not get a chance to anything, I did not update because there was nothing to update. But if it is to the preference of the client, I will now update weekly in ANY case, just to keep him in the current loop, as Randy is more upset than I though he was.

As for Randyb losing an investment, well, so long as I am capable (not physically disabled or deceased), he will get exactly what he ordered.

Should I have not accepted multiple large projects at once? That is true. I over-estimated what circumstances would allow me to accomplish within a given time frame. If I ever accept any other large projects in the future, I will likely farm out most of the construction stage to a 3rd party unless I happen to have a proper building area of my own(which does not seem likely any time soon).

-Chris

[Davemcc]

I do not think he will pefrorm and believe I have lost my investment!)

Randy, now that you've made this public, another day or two to get more info on the matter into the public eye shouldn't make a difference in how this turns out. Maybe you could hold off saying some things, as quoted above, that you may turn out to regret later. You can always say that stuff later if you feel, but as my introduction to the issue I feel it's kind of harsh right off the top even if you genuinely feel that way. You raised the issue, now let things develop naturally in the open forum. If you still feel that way once everything is out, by all means, let loose the dogs.

It's apparent that you've been around here longer than...everybody. I'm only commenting because you brought it to open forum presumably so that guys like me could hear you. And that invites comment. If you can still edit your words, it may be a good idea for now and delay comments like that for the time being. Let the matter play out in public and I truly hope that there will be some satisfaction for you in the resolution.

[Davemcc]

Randyb is of correct about the length of time delay. There is absolutely nothing I can do about that. But his speakers are in the process of being constructed at this very moment.

I do not have any sort of dedicated work shop (I have to do all largish cuts, finish work, etc. - outside - and I only have space to set up a single project to construct in the small prep area I have), and as the winter started to turn(with rain on most days combined with cold weather, I got stuck trying to finish another project that is due before Randy's, which belongs to Matt34. While Matt's is now nearly complete, I put it on the side to now work on Randy's speakers because of his extreme aggravation(which I completely understand, btw).

So, yes, I am taking a long time. I would be upset if I was Randy as well... but there is nothing I can do about it except for work on the speakers and deliver them when complete.

As for Randyb losing an investment, well, so long as I am capable (not physically disabled or deceased), he will get exactly what he ordered.

-Chris

That's pretty straight up to me. It doesn't get much simpler.

[randyb]

Randy, now that you've made this public, another day or two to get more info on the matter into the public eye shouldn't make a difference in how this turns out. Maybe you could hold off saying some things, as quoted above, that you may turn out to regret later. You can always say that stuff later if you feel, but as my introduction to the issue I feel it's kind of harsh right off the top even if you genuinely feel that way. You raised the issue, now let things develop naturally in the open forum. If you still feel that way once everything is out, by all means, let loose the dogs.

It's apparent that you've been around here longer than...everybody. I'm only commenting because you brought it to open forum presumably so that guys like me could hear you. And that invites comment. If you can still edit your words, it may be a good idea for now and delay comments like that for the time being. Let the matter play out in public and I truly hope that there will be some satisfaction for you in the resolution.
Sure, I will see how this plays out. I wrote Gene when he started and thought he was on to a great site. That being said, this will be my last post. I did not want to do this, but at some point a warning to others is the ethical thing to do.

[WmAx]

BTW, Randy, I invite you to make any comments you so desire. Don't stop posting. I will gladly discuss in the open if you prefer, or I'll answer others questions in this thread as well that pertain to the issue. However, I summed everything I could think of immediately in the last post.

-Chris

[Davemcc]

Sure, I will see how this plays out. I wrote Gene when he started and thought he was on to a great site. That being said, this will be my last post. I did not want to do this, but at some point a warning to others is the ethical thing to do.

I certainly hope it's not going to be your last post forever. I'm sure you have a great deal to contribute, certainly more than guys like me. Let's move past this and continue to enjoy the hobby with all our other friends here that share our common interests.

[randyb]

I certainly hope it's not going to be your last post forever. I'm sure you have a great deal to contribute, certainly more than guys like me. Let's move past this and continue to enjoy the hobby with all our other friends here that share our common interests.Well, sure thanks. I do have lots of speakers in my possession including Usher, Salk, Gedlee and many more. I would dearly love to compare these against Chris's speakers. I have been happy to meet Floyd Toole at CEDIA and spent time at Tom Nousaines house as well Earl Geddes. I consider Jim Salk a friend. They are all very interesting and great people.

[mike c]

hi Randy, do you have a thread in the member's gallery?

please share with us your system and your journey :)

2002 ... that's prehistoric!
and .03 posts per day ... that's the anti-Adam (http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/member.php?u=18297) of posting :)

[Davemcc]

Well, sure thanks. I do have lots of speakers in my possession including Usher, Salk, Gedlee and many more. I would dearly love to compare these against Chris's speakers. I have been happy to meet Floyd Toole at CEDIA and spent time at Tom Nousaines house as well Earl Geddes. I consider Jim Salk a friend. They are all very interesting and great people.

AND YOU WANT TO DEPRIVE US OF ALL THAT!!:D:D:D

You can tell you friend Mr. Salk that I'm having a virtual lust affair with several of his speakers. Some day, I may even get to hear a pair.

I think we should be hearing more from you...not less.:)

[randyb]

hi Randy, do you have a thread in the member's gallery?

please share with us your system and your journey :)

2002 ... that's prehistoric!
and .03 posts per day ... that's the anti-adam of posting :)Oh wow, that will take some time. I will post tomorrow my journey! Thx for being interested. I will tell you that my first "real stereo system" contrary to my parents "console" was an AR turntable, Dynaco Amp, and AR speakers. I thought it was awesome (as it I recall). It was "about 65-66"

[tcarcio]

You know I don't post here as often as alot of you but I do understand the frustration of things not working out the way planned but it seems to me that WmAx is a stand up guy for admitting he is in the wrong and for that he deserves a chance to make it right. He could have just ignored the fact and hurried to get you the speakers done but he isn't doing that. I understand your aggravation especially when a good amount of money is involved but life is way too short to let something like this take up to much space in your head. That being said I really would like to hear your review of the speakers when finished. Just my 2 cents.......:)

[sawzalot]

I dont think Wm. is admitting that he's wrong.Wrong about what?Maybe a bit overwhelmed at the moment with the amount of work to be done,the short windows of opportunity to get work done and lack of workspace.I am sure his intentions are all good I hope that its not too late to say be a little more patient and this will all come to a happy ending,and randyb will have some more speakers to critique and post all his findings here for the rest of us to take in,best wishes to all.:).

[ParadigmDawg]

Hope my sub plans come on time.....

[lsiberian]

I would wait years for something I contracted to him. I suppose my endless questions should cease. He's helped me free of charge with my designs.

Please come join us Randy.

If you need some help Chris I would be happy to do what I can. I've helped a few folks around her design subs and speakers. Thanks to his education I'm getting better at this.

Oh yeah and thanks for the pictures on bracing.

[billy p]

Randyb is of correct about the length of time delay. There is absolutely nothing I can do about that. But his speakers are in the process of being constructed at this very moment.

I do not have any sort of dedicated work shop (I have to do all largish cuts, finish work, etc. - outside - and I only have space to set up a single project to construct in the small prep area I have), and as the winter started to turn(with rain on most days combined with cold weather, I got stuck trying to finish another project that is due before Randy's, which belongs to Matt34. While Matt's is now nearly complete, I put it on the side to now work on Randy's speakers because of his extreme aggravation(which I completely understand, btw).

So, yes, I am taking a long time. I would be upset if I was Randy as well... but there is nothing I can do about it except for work on the speakers and deliver them when complete.

As far as updates, I did promise to give weekly updates, and I did not update him this week (last time was 2 weeks ago), but on some weeks nothing gets accomplished if it rains all weekend(I can only work on these large projects on weekends) or some other circumstance occurred that I did not get to work on them. As this last weekend, I did not get a chance to anything, I did not update because there was nothing to update. But if it is to the preference of the client, I will now update weekly in ANY case, just to keep him in the current loop, as Randy is more upset than I though he was.

As for Randyb losing an investment, well, so long as I am capable (not physically disabled or deceased), he will get exactly what he ordered.

Should I have not accepted multiple large projects at once? That is true. I over-estimated what circumstances would allow me to accomplish within a given time frame. If I ever accept any other large projects in the future, I will likely farm out most of the construction stage to a 3rd party unless I happen to have a proper building area of my own(which does not seem likely any time soon).

-Chris

Chris, I believe your a victim of your own scrutiny. I've never undertaken jobs for other people, but I know first hand what it would involve. I'm a nut when it comes details in projects I've undertaken around the house and I have fallen prey to missed timelines(just ask the wife:o).

I hope everything works out for you and Randy! :)

[randyb]

Chris has contated me and promised regular updates which is all I need. Thanks Chris.:)

[sawzalot]

Chris has contated me and promised regular updates which is all I need. Thanks Chris.:)Thanks for letting us know good luck with your new speakers I'm sure they will be all that and some.:)

[Alex2507]

Uhm, yeah. Let's all pray for good weather. :rolleyes:

[Matt34]

I got both of your PM Randy but I can't respond to PM's on my phone....I'm glad you changed your mind.

[sawzalot]

Uhm, yeah. Let's all pray for good weather. :rolleyes:I believe the extended forecast is looking very subwooferish with speakers on the horizon.

[lsiberian]

I believe the extended forecast is looking very subwooferish with speakers on the horizon.

After seeing this posters work on the Kappas you might have a good third party to do the woodworking part for you.

[randyb]

I got both of your PM Randy but I can't respond to PM's on my phone....I'm glad you changed your mind.THX I appreciate it.

[griffinconst]

I'm glad to see this seems to be getting worked out.
Just a word...I own a construction company and it has been my experience if you tell someone they'll get weekly updates, it's best to shoot them a call no matter what, especially if you got money up front.
This has kept me out of the dog house on many occasions.
Good luck and happy listening to you all.

[tcarcio]

I believe the extended forecast is looking very subwooferish with speakers on the horizon.

Tonights lows will be 15 to 20hz and it will be sunny tommorrow so make sure to put on something with high SPL for your enjoyment.:D

[davidtwotrees]

.....Just a word...I own a construction company and it has been my experience if you tell someone they'll get weekly updates, it's best to shoot them a call no matter what, especially if you got money up front.

Yep. I am a small contractor. The older I get the more I realize communication is the key to all my dealings, in business and in life. If you are communicating well from the get go, when problems or delays occur, you have a rapport that has been bulit and helps smooth things over.

[Rob Babcock]

I'm glad things have been worked out to your mutual satisfaction. We'd hate to lose either of you. I'm anxious to see some pics once you take delivery!:cool:

[WmAx]

Rob, these speakers are probably same design that will be used in my new mains (which will not be built for some time to come of course, as I have to complete Randy's and Matt's speakers first), but this speaker is intended to be modular (mid/treble/midbass unit sitting on a bass unit), but Randy is only getting the upper part. It will offer dual mode ability; monopolar or omnipolar virtual mode, by way of mirrored treble and mid-range units on the front and back of unit and a switch + dual compensation modes programmed into the active crossover unit for each mode. The drivers used have unusual dispersion, that is, off axis response up to 15khz at 75 degrees +/- (150 degree window) is almost unchanged. No nulls, no roll off; just identical response at all positions. With the front and back activated at the same time, you end up with full omnipolar type radiation. The drivers used also have incredible dynamic abilities: mid-range is Infinity MRS drivers flat diaphragm as used in the new Prelude series - these have a huge voice coil area providing for 3-4 times the power capacity as compared to ordinary dynamic drivers. The mid-bass unit is 8" JL audio W7 woofers used up to about 160Hz. The W7 woofers are limited to 70Hz lower cut off in my speakers crossed to 15" Audio Pulse AXIS woofers. However, Randy will be using without the lower modules - so the 8" W7 units will be running down to about 35Hz. They still have very ample output (comparable to a very good 12" traditional subwoofer driver) in this capacity.

The unit has huge 3" radius on side edges to prevent diffraction anomalies.

The cabinet is a double layered constrain layer construction (3/4" birch ply - 1/4" Dynamat or similar layer - 1" oak interior sub layer with extensive matrix bracing every 3" on every axis internally. Cabinet will be audibly inert. The drivers used will only be used in a bandwidth that is far from the first break up modes. That is, the drivers will be used only within their piston behavior bandwidths as to prevent any resonance coloration from occurring. This will insure no source of resonance; neither cabinet born nor driver born.

I will providing full set of measurements and pictures on this site when complete.

-Chris

[lsiberian]

Rob, these speakers are probably same design that will be used in my new mains (which will not be built for some time to come of course, as I have to complete Randy's and Matt's speakers first), but this speaker is intended to be modular (mid/treble/midbass unit sitting on a bass unit), but Randy is only getting the upper part. It will offer dual mode ability; monopolar or omnipolar virtual mode, by way of mirrored treble and mid-range units on the front and back of unit and a switch + dual compensation modes programmed into the active crossover unit for each mode. The drivers used have unusual dispersion, that is, off axis response up to 15khz at 75 degrees +/- (150 degree window) is almost unchanged. No nulls, no roll off; just identical response at all positions. With the front and back activated at the same time, you end up with full omnipolar type radiation. The drivers used also have incredible dynamic abilities: mid-range is Infinity MRS drivers flat diaphragm as used in the new Prelude series - these have a huge voice coil area providing for 3-4 times the power capacity as compared to ordinary dynamic drivers. The mid-bass unit is 8" JL audio W7 woofers used up to about 160Hz. The W7 woofers are limited to 70Hz lower cut off in my speakers crossed to 15" Audio Pulse AXIS woofers. However, Randy will be using without the lower modules - so the 8" W7 units will be running down to about 35Hz. They still have very ample output (comparable to a very good 12" traditional subwoofer driver) in this capacity.

The unit has huge 3" radius on side edges to prevent diffraction anomalies.

The cabinet is a double layered constrain layer construction (3/4" birch ply - 1/4" Dynamat or similar layer - 1" oak interior sub layer with extensive matrix bracing every 3" on every axis internally. Cabinet will be audibly inert. The drivers used will only be used in a bandwidth that is far from the first break up modes. That is, the drivers will be used only within their piston behavior bandwidths as to prevent any resonance coloration from occurring. This will insure no source of resonance; neither cabinet born nor driver born.

I will providing full set of measurements and pictures on this site when complete.

-Chris


Drool is now all over my desk! :)

[Nuance AH]

So it's mid August now. Are the speakers completed, Randy? If not, what's the explanation?

[Nuance AH]

By the lack of response I'll assume the speakers were not yet delivered. Pitty...

I am sorry you had to waste your money and time, Randy. What a shame.

[Matt34]

By the lack of response I'll assume the speakers were not yet delivered. Pitty...

I am sorry you had to waste your money and time, Randy. What a shame.

Randy isn't on here much, might want to drop him a line over at AVS.

[Sheep]

By the lack of response I'll assume the speakers were not yet delivered. Pitty...

I am sorry you had to waste your money and time, Randy. What a shame.

Doubting WmAx, what a shame.

SheepStar

[Nuance AH]

Randy isn't on here much, might want to drop him a line over at AVS.
Oh, thanks. I will hit him at AVS.

[randyb]

Nope, not yet

[bandphan]

Sorry to hear Randy. Keep us posted
Thanks

[adwilk]

Nope, not yet

That sucks, its going on nearly a year now. Thats absolutely uncalled for. Are you still getting updates. Is he handcarving each of the cabinets from solid block of wood?

[WmAx]

Adwilk, at no time in this thread did I specify a completion date. I stated that I would steadily work on them when I can and to provide regular updates to Randy. In fact, when this thread was started around 3-4 months ago, I had just cleared off Matt's speakers(which the cabinets have been completed) and was seriously starting the Randy speakers, which I believe was clearly stated. Indeed, I have done exactly as I promised; he receives a minimum of one update per week and I work on them a little each weekend. As of now, the progress, if held steady, will result in completion of the cabinet system in roughly 5 weeks.

-Chris

[Patrukas777]

Adwilk, at no time in this thread did I specify a completion date. I stated that I would steadily work on them when I can and to provide regular updates to Randy. In fact, when this thread was started around 3-4 months ago, I had just cleared off Matt's speakers(which the cabinets have been completed) and was seriously starting the Randy speakers, which I believe was clearly stated. Indeed, I have done exactly as I promised; he receives a minimum of one update per week and I work on them a little each weekend. As of now, the progress, if held steady, will result in completion of the cabinet system in roughly 5 weeks.

-Chris

You should post some pics of the work you're doing. Most people would love to see how they are coming along, and at the same time, randy would get to see progress along the way.

[Nuance AH]

Adwilk, at no time in this thread did I specify a completion date. I stated that I would steadily work on them when I can and to provide regular updates to Randy. In fact, when this thread was started around 3-4 months ago, I had just cleared off Matt's speakers(which the cabinets have been completed) and was seriously starting the Randy speakers, which I believe was clearly stated. Indeed, I have done exactly as I promised; he receives a minimum of one update per week and I work on them a little each weekend. As of now, the progress, if held steady, will result in completion of the cabinet system in roughly 5 weeks.

-Chris
Sounds like more excuses to me. :rolleyes:

[Alex2507]

So it's mid August now. Are the speakers completed, Randy? If not, what's the explanation?

By the lack of response I'll assume the speakers were not yet delivered. Pitty...

I am sorry you had to waste your money and time, Randy. What a shame.

Sounds like more excuses to me. :rolleyes:

Your comments are ... snide (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/snide).

You're not really helping at all. Why are you posting this stuff?
You should knock it off.

[jamie2112]

Your comments are ... snide (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/snide).

You're not really helping at all. Why are you posting this stuff?
You should knock it off.

Agreed...........

[GirgleMirt]

Your comments are ... snide (http://www.thefreedictionary.com/snide).

You're not really helping at all. Why are you posting this stuff?
You should knock it off.

That said, >8 weeks later, what's the status? That's 3 more weeks than the last estimated date... "As of now, the progress, if held steady, will result in completion of the cabinet system in roughly 5 weeks."

Anyhow, not really my business...

[Alex2507]

That said, >8 weeks later, what's the status? That's 3 more weeks than the last estimated date... "As of now, the progress, if held steady, will result in completion of the cabinet system in roughly 5 weeks."

Anyhow, not really my business...

The progress on Randy's speakers is covered here (http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=635191&postcount=43).

It could be said that I interrupted their progress. :eek:
Matter of fact I think it would be really big of Randy to give Chris the go ahead to finish my speakers first. :)

Just how exactly did I become low man on the totem pole anyway? :mad:

;):D