Underworld: Rise Of The Lycans!!!!!! [Archive] - Audioholics Home Theater Forums

speakerman39

01-25-2009, 12:07 AM

Adam

01-25-2009, 12:12 AM

Thanks, Phil!

I am definitely looking forward to seeing it.

speakerman39

01-25-2009, 12:16 AM

Thanks, Phil!

I am definitely looking forward to seeing it.
You won't regret it I assure you that. ;);)

Cheers,

Phil

jamie2112

01-25-2009, 12:34 AM

Sweet Phil I want to see this one as well....possibly tomorrow since there is no football:(

speakerman39

01-25-2009, 12:39 AM

Sweet Phil I want to see this one as well....possibly tomorrow since there is no football:(
Sounds like a plan to me Jamie. Like I mentioned to Adam, see it as I am sure you won't regret it. ;);)

Cheers,

Phil

cym_city

01-25-2009, 01:49 AM

I'll be seeing it soon as well. It's on my extremely short list of movies to see. Kate Beckinsale is just a bonus.

Adam

01-25-2009, 01:52 AM

I'll be seeing it soon as well. It's on my extremely short list of movies to see. Kate Beckinsale is just a bonus.

I view it a bit differently:

I'll be seeing Kate soon, as well. She's on my extremely short list of actresses to see. The movie is just a bonus.

:D

mike c

01-25-2009, 09:24 AM

Guys, just got home from watching this and I am pumped!!!! To be honest, the previews made me believe this one was going to be a bit lame. :o:o To my surprise, I found it to be .....well........uummmmm......AWESOME!!!! It is neat how it all ties together. This one is a must see in my book!!!! Can you tell I liked it!!! ;);)

Cheers,

Phil

hey Phil, thanks for the heads up. if you don't mind, can you rate this movie 1-10?

and what about parts 1 and 2 in the same rating scale?

thanks in advance :)

I'll be seeing it soon as well. It's on my extremely short list of movies to see. Kate Beckinsale is just a bonus.

I view it a bit differently:

I'll be seeing Kate soon, as well. She's on my extremely short list of actresses to see. The movie is just a bonus.

:D

is Kate in this movie? i thought this movie was a prequel to 1 and 2 so there would be no Kate ... Rhona Mitra is the lead actress AFAIK. if Kate is in there, i'll be there to watch tomorrow!

Alex2507

01-25-2009, 10:08 AM

speakerman39

01-25-2009, 12:00 PM

I'll be seeing it soon as well. It's on my extremely short list of movies to see. Kate Beckinsale is just a bonus.
Great Joel, I am sure you will like it. I agree Kate is a babe for sure not to mention quite edible!!!!!! :D:D

Cheers,

Phil

speakerman39

01-25-2009, 12:02 PM

I view it a bit differently:

I'll be seeing Kate soon, as well. She's on my extremely short list of actresses to see. The movie is just a bonus.

:D
Hey Adam, I can think of something Kate can get on and it is NOT my list!!!!! :D:D Now that is what I am talking about. ;);)

Cheers,

Phil

speakerman39

01-25-2009, 12:07 PM

I just Netflixed the lot of 'em. They're available in BR.

I want God to give me a Panny BR player to go with my Panny TV so that I can have impure thoughts about this Kate Beckinsale in 1080p and what ever fancy surround format they use. Amen. :)
Too bad-done BEAT you to it literally. I know your thinking hey it is my b'day and all, but when it comes to women it is every dog or in your case monkey for himself!!!! :eek:;):eek: Just kidding my friend. Hey, you pick on me sometimes too. :p:p

Cheers,

Phil

speakerman39

01-25-2009, 12:11 PM

hey Phil, thanks for the heads up. if you don't mind, can you rate this movie 1-10?

and what about parts 1 and 2 in the same rating scale?

thanks in advance :)

is Kate in this movie? i thought this movie was a prequel to 1 and 2 so there would be no Kate ... Rhona Mitra is the lead actress AFAIK. if Kate is in there, i'll be there to watch tomorrow!

Mike, I really liked both parts 1 and 2. But, part 2 was a bit better imho. As such, would have to give part 1 an 8.5 and part 2 at least a 9. However, I really liked the latest as well as part 2, if not a bit better. Kate, did have a very small part in this one. BTW, Rhona is also very beautiful. ;);)

Cheers,

Phil

Sheep

01-25-2009, 08:58 PM

Might see this tonight. I remember them telling this story in the first Underworlds. Glad to see it fleshed out. Thanks for the heads up Phil.

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SheepStar

speakerman39

01-25-2009, 09:24 PM

Might see this tonight. I remember them telling this story in the first Underworlds. Glad to see it fleshed out. Thanks for the heads up Phil.

EDIT: Post 8400

SheepStar
Congrats on # 8400 Brian!!!! When you do see it, be sure to share your thoughts w/us. I may just have to give this one a second look which is a very rare thing for a guy like me.

Cheers,

Phil

cym_city

01-26-2009, 12:34 PM

I want God to give me a Panny BR player to go with my Panny TV so that I can have impure thoughts about this Kate Beckinsale in 1080p and what ever fancy surround format they use. Amen. :)

I don't know about God but I'm pretty sure Phil has a Panny BR for sale.

3db

01-26-2009, 01:17 PM

speakerman39

01-26-2009, 01:59 PM

Cool. I'll take my youngest daughter to see that. We spent the weekend watching the first two Underworld movies which I purchased on standard def DVD.

When I say the title, I assumed that it would tie the other two films together as its the history of the lycan.

And like Adam, I'm sooooo in love with Kate. :p

Trust me, Adam is not the only guy here in love w/Kate. That is one fine piece of *** if you ask me. :o:o Some guy sure is lucky to have that. Oh, what would I give!!!!! :D:D No really, I am sure you both will like it.

Cheers,

Phil

speakerman39

01-26-2009, 02:01 PM

I don't know about God but I'm pretty sure Phil has a Panny BR for sale.

Joel, that is so true in that my Panny BR player is up for sale. Alex has bought from me several times. As such, he knows the routine. ;);)

Cheers,

Phil

Bugbitten

01-26-2009, 05:53 PM

Phil,

Which theater do you go to?

I tend to wait for the DVD. The theater in M'ville is pretty lame.

Doug

Sheep

01-26-2009, 06:07 PM

I kept my word and watched this movie last night. Story is exactly what you would expect going into it. I knew the story about Sonya and Lucian, from the other underworld movies. All of the events were no surprise to me, but it was nice to see them fleshed out. That actors all kept their character traits and looks from the other movies (Viktor, Lucian). They even show the first glimpse of the first underworld movie at the end to help tie it together (so yes, Kate is in this movie, although she's just doing the splits). Great way to get a precursor to the other movies, recommended if you're a fan of the films.

As for the sound, Lycans are bassy creatures. Great action sequences, should be a good Blu Ray pickup.

SheepStar

speakerman39

01-26-2009, 09:41 PM

speakerman39

01-26-2009, 09:45 PM

Phil,

Which theater do you go to?

I tend to wait for the DVD. The theater in M'ville is pretty lame.

Doug
Hi Doug. I usually go to Showplace East as it is very close to our Evansville location. Love to close early and go. ;);) However, most of the time I have to work until 6:00. Stadium 16 over on the West side is where I prefer to go, but it seems to not sync too well with my schedule. Henderson doesn't even have a movie theater to go to. Talking about lame.

Cheers,

Phil

Shock

01-28-2009, 10:38 PM

Just got home from seeing it. Not as good as #2 but still worth the money. The leading lady is so hot i thought my pants were going to catch fire.

mike c

01-28-2009, 10:48 PM

The leading lady is so hot i thought my pants were going to catch fire.

lol. i have to watch this ASAP.

(oh, and i said i was gonna be there if kate was in there, well she is, but it wasn't new footage)

Sheep

01-29-2009, 12:28 AM

Just got home from seeing it. Not as good as #2 but still worth the money. The leading lady is so hot i thought my pants were going to catch fire.

Really? I thought she has a bit of a horse face. Kate in tight leather any day.

SheepStar

Adam

01-29-2009, 12:32 AM

Kate in tight leather any day.

Agreed. When her eyes turn bright blue in the first one...oh, baby. Any day. Sure, it would mean that she was killing me, but whatever... :)

highfihoney

01-29-2009, 12:52 AM

speakerman39

01-29-2009, 11:30 AM

Just got home from seeing it. Not as good as #2 but still worth the money. The leading lady is so hot i thought my pants were going to catch fire.
Huh........that all..............lmao!!!!! Shoot, I had to change mine when I got home!!!!! :eek::eek:

Cheers,

Phil

speakerman39

01-29-2009, 11:31 AM

Really? I thought she has a bit of a horse face. Kate in tight leather any day.

SheepStar
Hey Brian, at my age I take em anyway I can get em!!!! :D:D

Cheers,

Phil

speakerman39

01-29-2009, 11:34 AM

Agreed. When her eyes turn bright blue in the first one...oh, baby. Any day. Sure, it would mean that she was killing me, but whatever... :)

Oh yeah Adam. At least you would die happily right? Or, perhaps she will make you into a vampire too. Oh brother, can you imagine her biting Alex and making him a 6'4" vampire monkey? :eek::eek:

Cheers,

Phil

speakerman39

01-29-2009, 11:36 AM

I cant even think of anything to say about this movie without being a spoiler so i'll just say we loved the movie.

If you liked the last underworld, or vampire & werewolf type movies than this is a no brainer,grab some snacks & get going to see it.
Amen there bro. I agree 100%. I can't wait for the next one. Maybe it will all be about Kate and how I seduced her-lmao!!!!!! :D:D Thats right, I still have it. :o:o

Cheers,

Phil

3db

01-30-2009, 07:56 AM

Agreed. When her eyes turn bright blue in the first one...oh, baby. Any day. Sure, it would mean that she was killing me, but whatever... :)

Thanks for the laugh Adam!! :D I'm right behind you in the line. Do you think that if we asked politely to spare us enough blood so that we can stan in line again she would?

speakerman39

01-30-2009, 12:13 PM

Thanks for the laugh Adam!! :D I'm right behind you in the line. Do you think that if we asked politely to spare us enough blood so that we can stan in line again she would?
Hey, lets just run a train on her. However, I go first!!!!! :D:D

Cheers,

Phil

Adam

01-30-2009, 01:14 PM

Do you think that if we asked politely to spare us enough blood so that we can stan in line again she would?

To allow the initial attraction and excitement to lead to a long-term relationship in which she slowly drains me of my resources and will to live, to end only with either my death or with her leaving me behind as a mere shell of the man that I once was?

Hmmm. I don't think that I'm quite ready for marriage. :p

3db

01-30-2009, 01:18 PM

just wow !! :D

Adam

01-30-2009, 01:22 PM

just wow !! :D

Okay. I'm ready now.

3db

01-30-2009, 01:28 PM

Okay. I'm ready now.

*LMFAO* :p

3db

01-30-2009, 01:31 PM

A better shot of her eyes.

Adam

01-30-2009, 01:42 PM

A better shot of her eyes.

My personal favorite is the scene in the first one where she's shooting the lycan in the subway area, and her eyes change from normal to bright blue.

Here's one for ya, although it looks like she could use some chapstick. :)

http://i486.photobucket.com/albums/rr229/adam_ah/Underworld_-_Evolution_2006_Kate_Be.jpg

EDIT: Put in different link for photo.

3db

01-30-2009, 02:04 PM

My personal favorite is the scene in the first one where she's shooting the lycan in the subway area, and her eyes change from normal to bright blue.

Here's one for ya, although it looks like she could use some chapstick. :)

http://wallpapers.dpics.org/wallpapers/36/Underworld_-_Evolution%2C_2006%2C_Kate_Beckinsale%2C_Bill_Nigh y.jpg

Link didn't work :eek:

Adam

01-30-2009, 02:06 PM

Link didn't work :eek:

Huh. I can see the image in your quote of my post.

Let me fix that up for ya...

EDIT: Try it now. I put it on my Photobucket account.

Shock

01-30-2009, 03:48 PM

They look really similar
http://img120.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mv5bodu0mdq4mzy3nf5bml5hr7.jpg

Edit: fixed image

Adam

01-30-2009, 03:50 PM

They look really similar...

That picture link didn't work for me. IMDB images don't seem to come across until someone goes out and views them directly first.

mperfct

01-30-2009, 04:00 PM

Any movie with Kate Beckinsale should be subtitled "Rise of the Underpants". Even if "Underworld:Rise of the Underpants" sounds odd. :D

speakerman39

01-30-2009, 04:38 PM

A better shot of her eyes.
Always wondered if the carpet matched the drapes!!!!! But, hey it may be bald like an eagle!!!!! :D:D Either way, I sure would love to find out. :eek::eek:

Cheers,

Phil

Shock

01-30-2009, 04:50 PM

stupid 1 hour editing limit!

http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/8638/mv5bodu0mdq4mzy3nf5bml5hr7.jpg

that's the image i was trying to link.

robmlisanti

01-31-2009, 01:50 AM

Sounds good to me!

jamie2112

01-31-2009, 02:39 AM

She is a hottie..........:D

speakerman39

01-31-2009, 09:23 AM

She is a hottie..........:D
Jamie, I would like to also add quite edible!!!!! :D:D Now, I am hungry.

Cheers,

Phil

AcuDefTechGuy

01-31-2009, 04:14 PM

I would rank UW1 a 9, UW2 a 9.5, and hopefully UW3 a perfect 10!!!:D

I am pumped!

speakerman39

01-31-2009, 06:15 PM

I would rank UW1 a 9, UW2 a 9.5, and hopefully UW3 a perfect 10!!!:D

I am pumped!
I would give UW3 a 9.75 myself. Can't be a 10 because Kate was really not in this one. Now, she is a perfect 10 no doubt........LOL!!!!! ;);) I will have to buy this one for sure.

Cheers,

Phil

Shock

01-31-2009, 07:21 PM

as my roomate would say "Fact: Kate Bekinsale is the hottest chick on the planet."

Adam

01-31-2009, 08:26 PM

Hey, it's hard to argue with facts.

speakerman39

01-31-2009, 08:26 PM

as my roomate would say "Fact: Kate Bekinsale is the hottest chick on the planet."
Well, Jessica Alba aside, I would have to agree!!!!! :D:D

Cheers,

Phil

mike c

01-31-2009, 08:50 PM

jessica alba vs. kate beckinsale

deathmatch?
mud wrestling?

:D

speakerman39

01-31-2009, 09:01 PM

jessica alba vs. kate beckinsale

deathmatch?
mud wrestling?

:D
Either way, it would certainly be a sight to behold!!!!!! Really would make for a great movie too. :D:D

Cheers,

Phil

Adam

01-31-2009, 09:16 PM

Selene versus Max.

Old school undead versus genetically-altered super warrior.

jamie2112

01-31-2009, 09:52 PM

Selene versus Max.

Old school undead versus genetically-altered super warrior.

Jeeze you are blowing the plot dude.:eek::D

Adam

01-31-2009, 10:01 PM

Jeeze you are blowing the plot dude.:eek::D

Sorry. At least I didn't mention that the battle involved pillows.

Oops. My bad. :o

Shock

01-31-2009, 10:21 PM

I'm feeling oddly close to all of you right now......

speakerman39

02-01-2009, 12:25 PM

I'm feeling oddly close to all of you right now......
Oh brother, now I am in shock!!!!!! Just kidding. :D:D

Cheers,

Phil

Seth=L

02-01-2009, 12:38 PM

Trust me, Adam is not the only guy here in love w/Kate. That is one fine piece of *** if you ask me. :o:o Some guy sure is lucky to have that. Oh, what would I give!!!!! :D:D No really, I am sure you both will like it.

Cheers,

Phil
Interesting twist of events....

Kate used to be married to Michael Sheen (Lucian) and they had a daughter I believe. They where divorced before the first Underworld was released and she re-married to Len Wisemen, the director for the first two Underworld movies.

Also, Kate looks rockin in tight leather.:D

speakerman39

02-01-2009, 01:02 PM

Interesting twist of events....

Kate used to be married to Michael Sheen (Lucian) and they had a daughter I believe. They where divorced before the first Underworld was released and she re-married to Len Wisemen, the director for the first two Underworld movies.

Also, Kate looks rockin in tight leather.:D
Thanks Seth for the info as it is very informative. Too bad I was not there hanging- around the set or something--perhaps I would get my turn too. :eek::eek: Man, what would I give. The problem is, however, millions of other men out there are asking themselves that very same question!!!!! :D:D

Cheers,

Phil

Adam

02-01-2009, 01:07 PM

Be careful what you wish for, Phil. :)

http://www.filehurricane.com/photos/529200841653PM_boyfriends.jpg

jamie2112

02-01-2009, 01:10 PM

That is a sin Adam.......You have to be a little better looking than Christina's hubby...isn't his name Adam too....;)

Adam

02-01-2009, 01:15 PM

That is a sin Adam.......You have to be a little better looking than Christina's hubby...isn't his name Adam too....;)

I just figured that those were random people. Christina who?

speakerman39

02-01-2009, 02:10 PM

Be careful what you wish for, Phil. :)

http://www.filehurricane.com/photos/529200841653PM_boyfriends.jpg
So very true Adam. I learned that the hard way during my 1st marriage. That is, I my first ex-wife was a hottie no doubt. I must say I grew tired of all her BS rather quickly. Your words of wisdom ring quite true in my book. ;);) Have a blessed day my friend.

Cheers,

Phil

Shock

02-01-2009, 03:08 PM

I can put up with a little BS if it means my fantasy coupons will still be accepted

jamie2112

02-01-2009, 03:13 PM

I just figured that those were random people. Christina who?

Aguilara with her hubby.....

Adam

02-01-2009, 03:38 PM

Aguilara with her hubby.....

That's who I thought you meant. Nope, hubby's name isn't Adam.

There ain't no other man, but unfortunately, I ain't that man. :)

jamie2112

02-01-2009, 05:33 PM

My bad on the name.....she is a hottie though...:D

Sheep

02-02-2009, 03:50 AM

You know whats hot? Halfies.

SheepStar

3db

02-02-2009, 08:08 AM

Should we get this thread back on track? :o Or perhaps just open a shrine thread dedicated to Kate Beckinsale :p

speakerman39

02-02-2009, 01:50 PM

Should we get this thread back on track? :o Or perhaps just open a shrine thread dedicated to Kate Beckinsale :p

Personally, I like the Kate idea myself!!!!! :D:D How about you?

Cheers,

Phil

3db

02-02-2009, 03:26 PM

Personally, I like the Kate idea myself!!!!! :D:D How about you?

Cheers,

Phil

Count me in..Line up starts behind me.. :D

speakerman39

02-02-2009, 03:42 PM

Count me in..Line up starts behind me.. :D
It's my thread so I go first. Besides, I never swim in dirty water!!!!!! :D:D

Cheers,

Phil

AcuDefTechGuy

02-04-2009, 02:06 PM

I would give UW3 a 9.75 myself. Can't be a 10 because Kate was really not in this one. Now, she is a perfect 10 no doubt........LOL!!!!! ;);) I will have to buy this one for sure.

Cheers,

Phil

Actually, Kate WAS IN the movie - at the END. ***hee***hee:D

Okay, I have to agree. I give UW3 a 9.8 (out of 10) rating.

Most of us already KNEW the story coming in - I mean from watching the first 2 UW movies.

But I totally loved this movie. I will buy it the first day it comes out on blu-ray.

And if they make a purple-ray one day, I'll buy it the first day it comes out on purple-ray.:D

I really hope the blu-ray version will be an "extended director's cut" and gets extended to 3 hrs to include more Lycans, Action, Nutidy, and Sex.:D

Anybody ready for a UW4, which hopefully continues where UW3 left off?

Like doing a story of Selene, William & Marcus, and Amelia?:D

speakerman39

02-04-2009, 07:57 PM

Actually, Kate WAS IN the movie - at the END. ***hee***hee:D

Okay, I have to agree. I give UW3 a 9.8 (out of 10) rating.

Most of us already KNEW the story coming in - I mean from watching the first 2 UW movies.

But I totally loved this movie. I will buy it the first day it comes out on blu-ray.

And if they make a purple-ray one day, I'll buy it the first day it comes out on purple-ray.:D

I really hope the blu-ray version will be an "extended director's cut" and gets extended to 3 hrs to include more Lycans, Action, Nutidy, and Sex.:D

Anybody ready for a UW4, which hopefully continues where UW3 left off?

Like doing a story of Selene, William & Marcus, and Amelia?:D

Hey, I'm in-looking forward to UW4, UW5,UW6, and so on. Hell, why not just come out with Kate TV or Kate Channel or something. Blue-ray, green-ray, even pink-ray makes me no difference as long as it has Kate in it. Oh, forgive me, but need I mention I really really really like Kate. ;);) No really, I agree in that UW3 is an awesome film.

mperfct

02-04-2009, 08:13 PM

Hey, I'm in-looking forward to UW4, UW5,UW6, and so on. Hell, why not just come out with Kate TV or Kate Channel or something. Blue-ray, green-ray, even pink-ray makes me no difference as long as it has Kate in it. Oh, forgive me, but need I mention I really really really like Kate. ;);) No really, I agree in that UW3 is an awesome film.

mmmm...Kate on pink-ray.

jamie2112

02-04-2009, 08:15 PM

On another topic: Kate is hot.........uuuuummmmmmm did we cover that yet?:D:D:D What was this thread about again?:D:D:D:p

speakerman39

02-04-2009, 08:19 PM

mmmm...Kate on pink-ray.
Hey, now that would be perfct!!!!!! :D:D You agree? Hey, I heard she like guys named speakerman39............LOL!!!!! :p:p Hey, I know I am dreaming, but hey if you are going to dream might as well go all out I always say!!!!!!! :cool::cool:

Cheers,

Phil

speakerman39

02-04-2009, 08:22 PM

On another topic: Kate is hot.........uuuuummmmmmm did we cover that yet?:D:D:D What was this thread about again?:D:D:D:p
Hey Jamie, it doesn't matter what it originally was about. Lets just keep it focused on Kate. Who knows, maybe she will join this forum and be inspired by all of the testosterone that seems to be running rampant around here!!!!!!!!! :D:D

Cheers,

Phil

jamie2112

02-04-2009, 08:28 PM

Lets see if this is a good shot:<a href="http://s171.photobucket.com/albums/u306/311sound/?action=view&current=Kate-Beckinsale-84.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u306/311sound/Kate-Beckinsale-84.jpg" border="0" alt="Kate"></a>

Shock

02-04-2009, 08:33 PM

Thanks buddy, I was wearing my last clean pair of underwear......Now I have to do laundry!

speakerman39

02-04-2009, 08:34 PM

Seth=L

02-05-2009, 12:31 AM

Watched the movie on Monday, it was very good indeed. Rhona Mitra was very good, sexy, soft...huh?

Adam

02-05-2009, 12:36 AM

What a beauty-shoot now I am hungry!!!! :D:D

First, that's just wrong. :) However, Alex might be able to hook you up.

http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k479/Alex2507_2008/human_meat.jpg

Seth=L

02-05-2009, 12:48 AM

http://i327.photobucket.com/albums/k479/Alex2507_2008/human_meat.jpg

HURRRRRRR DURRRRRRRRR

Adam

02-05-2009, 12:53 AM

Just a comment - I've never seen chicken or beef at the store wearing a bracelet...or underwear.

Maybe they were and I just wasn't paying close enough attention.

mperfct

02-05-2009, 12:59 AM

hey-oh! nice to meat you.

http://thesuperficial.com//bfm_gallery/2008/06/0605%20Kate%20Beckinsale/gallery_enlarged/gallery_enlarged-0605_kate_beckinsale_glamour_10.jpg

Seth=L

02-05-2009, 12:59 AM

Just a comment - I've never seen chicken or beef at the store wearing a bracelet...or underwear.

Maybe they were and I just wasn't paying close enough attention.
Are you implying that animals (pure as the driven snow) would be so vane as to wear jewelry?:confused: We should kill all the people, since they are all so bad and just leave those poor animals alone.

Adam

02-05-2009, 01:05 AM

Are you implying that animals (pure as the driven snow) would be so vane as to wear jewelry?:confused: We should kill all the people, since they are all so bad and just leave those poor animals alone.

Nah, I was just surprised by the bracelet - given that they were trying to depict her as meat for sale. The comment about the underwear...well, maybe I was more disappointed than surprised. :)

speakerman39

02-05-2009, 11:56 AM

Watched the movie on Monday, it was very good indeed. Rhona Mitra was very good, sexy, soft...huh?
Yes, Rhona is also quite sexy. Glad to hear you like the movie too. Can't wait for the next one myself. Maybe a sequel where I get seduced by Kate and Rhona at the same time..........LOL!!!!!! :D:D Hey, it never hurts to deam eh?

Cheers,

Phil