good gear for mostly music

[manly p hall]

i'm on a $2500 budget for speakers and subs. currently, i have a yamaha htr-5890 7.1 reciever. the speakers i want even bother mentioning... they suck. i guess i'm looking for a high efficient tower that has good enough bass to were i can run them sub-less in 2ch mode. i listen to mostly metal, and war theme classical. i plan on getting an external power amp to run with the towers. for subs i need something that has some serious output and sound clean at loud volumes.

can you run a sub in 2 ch mode? my amp want allow it

[Midcow2]

i'm on a $2500 budget for speakers and subs. currently, i have a yamaha htr-5890 7.1 reciever. the speakers i want even bother mentioning... they suck. i guess i'm looking for a high efficient tower that has good enough bass to were i can run them sub-less in 2ch mode. i listen to mostly metal, and war theme classical. i plan on getting an external power amp to run with the towers. for subs i need something that has some serious output and sound clean at loud volumes.

can you run a sub in 2 ch mode? my amp want allow it

If you can live without have a separate sub ( these towers have powered subs) this is one solution.
http://www.surroundcity.com/DEFINITIVE-TECHNOLOGY-BP-7004-BPX-CLR-2500--P1882C225.aspx MSRP $3595 for $2,694.

I have Def Techs and I like them, some people don't. This is one solution , there are many and you should audition whatever you select to make sure YOU like the sound.

You also need to decide how important a separate sub is to you. SVS and Hsu are good brands but for serious sound the cost can be easily $1,000.

Good Luck!

MidCow

[manly p hall]

i just got off the phone with defintive tech... they say the speaker isn't designed for what i'm trying to do :(

they said look into the klipsch rf83

[bandphan]

Ascend -CMT-340 SE front pr + CMT-340 SE center + CBM-170 SE rear pr $1118 mains down to 45hz,
svs pc ultra $1600
$2718

and your rocking

[manly p hall]

Ascend -CMT-340 SE front pr + CMT-340 SE center + CBM-170 SE rear pr $1118 mains down to 45hz,
svs pc ultra $1600
$2718

and your rocking


isn't the cmt-340 a book shelf speaker?

[Midcow2]

i just got off the phone with defintive tech... they say the speaker isn't designed for what i'm trying to do :(

they said look into the klipsch rf83


Interesting? Did they give any reasons why ??

Anyway good luck, sorry my suggestion didn't pan out.

MidCow2

[3db]

PSB's new Imagine line may fit the bill;

http://www.psbspeakers.com/products/Imagine/Imagine-T-Tower

[zumbo]

You want full-range towers, so you don't have to use a sub.

You want to run two subs.

Doesn't make sense.:confused:

[manly p hall]

PSB's new Imagine line may fit the bill;

http://www.psbspeakers.com/products/Imagine/Imagine-T-Tower


sesitivity isn't high enough... looks like a good speaker though

[manly p hall]

Interesting? Did they give any reasons why ??

Anyway good luck, sorry my suggestion didn't pan out.

MidCow2


they just said that the senisitivity is no where near as high as klipsch. said i needed a speaker that could handle the spl demands that i'm looking for

[manly p hall]

You want full-range towers, so you don't have to use a sub.

You want to run two subs.

Doesn't make sense.:confused:


any suggestions on a full range tower for what i'm trying to do? i guess i could use a sub for ht

[EJ1]

Interesting? Did they give any reasons why ??

Anyway good luck, sorry my suggestion didn't pan out.

MidCow2
I'd be curious to know as well. The BP7004's get down to 17Hz and have a 92dB sensitivity.

[zumbo]

any suggestions on a full range tower for what i'm trying to do? i guess i could use a sub for ht

There is no need to spend the kind of money it would take to get quality full-range speakers.

Sounds like you have a set-up issue. I use my sub for 2-channel.

[3db]

sesitivity isn't high enough... looks like a good speaker though

If your getting a seperate 2 channel amp to drive them, I don't see an issue with sensitivty. How big a room are you putting these speakers into? How loud do you want it to go?

[manly p hall]

I'd be curious to know as well. The BP7004's get down to 17Hz and have a 92dB sensitivity.

the sensitivity for the 70002's are measured in 2.8 watt/1 meter @ 92. pretty much 88db

[manly p hall]

If your getting a seperate 2 channel amp to drive them, I don't see an issue with sensitivty. How big a room are you putting these speakers into? How loud do you want it to go?



the room is medium/large. i like my tunes fairly loud. problem with every tower i've purchased they sound great at low volume levels but kinda sucked when you really cranked them...

[zumbo]

Another thing I would like to mention, is that metal is hard to do. Most of the members here use such high-quality speakers, metal would kill your ears.

Speakers for metal will require much auditioning.

What's the budget?

Two subs can be used by simply adding a y-addapter.

[manly p hall]

Another thing I would like to mention, is that metal is hard to do. Most of the members here use such high-quality speakers, metal would kill your ears.

Speakers for metal will require much auditioning.

What's the budget?

Two subs can be used by simply adding a y-addapter.


$2,500 budget. how do you run a sub on 2ch? i tried with my yamaha htr-8590

[zumbo]

$2,500 budget. how do you run a sub on 2ch? i tried with my yamaha htr-8590

Give me a few minutes to read your manual.

Y-addapter.
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21VCN5jJ17L._SL500_AA280_.jpg

[Midcow2]

they just said that the senisitivity is no where near as high as klipsch. said i needed a speaker that could handle the spl demands that i'm looking for

What SPL are you looking for , something like 110 dB ? :cool: :cool:
Here is what you need :eek: a Berhinger Power2500 Power Amp.

http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHEP2500

Good Luck!

P.S.- Save up for this sub; It is the mostest, awesomest sub : Gotham g213 at 3800 watts.

[zumbo]

Set all speakers to SMALL.(page 55 & 56)
Select SWFR for bass-out. (page 56)
Set x-over. (page 57)

[3db]

the room is medium/large. i like my tunes fairly loud. problem with every tower i've purchased they sound great at low volume levels but kinda sucked when you really cranked them...

That has nothing to do with sensitivity that the towers you auditioned sucked while at high volumes. I suspect room acoustics is the bigger culprit.

Go down and audition these speakers and hear them for yourself rather than assuming how they are going to react based on sensitvity figures. ;)

[manly p hall]

What SPL are you looking for , something like 110 dB ? :cool: :cool:
Here is what you need :eek: a Berhinger Power2500 Power Amp.

http://www.zzounds.com/item--BEHEP2500

Good Luck!

P.S.- Save up for this sub; It is the mostest, awesomest sub : Gotham g213 at 3800 watts.


i bet that amp has a loud a$$ fan on that bad boy. i'm not trying go extreme spl. i just wanna be able to crank the hell out of it, every now and then

[manly p hall]

Set all speakers to SMALL.(page 55 & 56)
Select SWFR for bass-out. (page 56)
Set x-over. (page 57)


i didn't see anywhere for "bass out"

[zumbo]

Before you run two subs, be sure you clearly think-out placement.

If you were going to run one cable one direction, and another cable the other direction, the y-adapter I posted would be the best option. That is called a 1M2F.(M=male)(F=female) You would use the addapter at the receiver, and run two separate cables to the subs.

If you were going to place the subs in the same location, you would want to use a 1F2M. This way, you would only have to buy one cable for the run.

The other option would be to purchase subs that offer LFE pass-through. My sub has this, as do many others.

EDIT: Answered your previous post on the next page. You were posting your question while I was posting this. LOL

[zumbo]

i didn't see anywhere for "bass out"

LFE/bass-out. Right side of page 56.;)

[manly p hall]

figured it out... sounds funny to me

[zumbo]

figured it out... sounds funny to me

Where did you set your x-over point?

[bandphan]

isn't the cmt-340 a book shelf speaker?

Not in the normal sense, 2 mid drivers MTM- "mini tower"

[annunaki]

i bet that amp has a loud a$$ fan on that bad boy. i'm not trying go extreme spl. i just wanna be able to crank the hell out of it, every now and then


Which is exactly why you need an amplifier with a large amount of headroom.
I suspect other than some of the reasons already mentions (room acoustics, etc.) that this is a big reason you have not found a speaker to your liking.

For $8 or so you can equip the EP2500 with a quiet fan.

Keeping the amplifier completely out of clipping ensures any problems you encounter are coming from the speaker itself.

[jamie2112]

Well aside from pro audio speakers these would be what you are looking for. You can get hi volume and they have a hi sensitivity 97 db that you were looking for as well. http://www.shopcerwinvega.com/detail/CER+CLS-215/CLS-215 Not what I would do but just an idea......

[manly p hall]

Well aside from pro audio speakers these would be what you are looking for. You can get hi volume and they have a hi sensitivity 97 db that you were looking for as well. http://www.shopcerwinvega.com/detail/CER+CLS-215/CLS-215 Not what I would do but just an idea......


hell, you mind as well get pro audio drivers if you gonna go that route. i will say again, i like to get loud but not that loud!

[manly p hall]

Where did you set your x-over point?


couldn't figure that one out... let me go try that. i also couldn't figure out how to but the front speakers "small". why do i need to do that. their sure as hell not small ;)


what should i set the cross over at? 80hrz?

[gus6464]

Klipsch are going to be your best bet if you want loud and clear.

Although if your room is pretty big few things will go as loud as a pair of corner loaded Klipschorns.

More choices but are only within your budget if you buy used.

VMPS RM40
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1230134260&/VMPS-RM40-MLS-Rosewood

Dali Ikon 7
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1231978882&/DALI-IKON-7-tower

[manly p hall]

Klipsch are going to be your best bet if you want loud and clear.

Although if your room is pretty big few things will go as loud as a pair of corner loaded Klipschorns.

More choices but are only within your budget if you buy used.

VMPS RM40
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1230134260&/VMPS-RM40-MLS-Rosewood

Dali Ikon 7
http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?spkrfull&1231978882&/DALI-IKON-7-tower


hell yes to ribbon horns!!!!

[Rob Babcock]

While you can get great 2CH w/ subs for under $2,500 I don't think that's overkill at all. My rig consists of Monitor Audio GR20s/GR Center/GR10's with a pair of HSU TN-1220 subs...just the 2CH part is well over that range.

I'm not a huge believer in different speakers for different genres- within reason, a good speaker will play anything it's asked to. That said, a speaker that's a touch bright might be okay with some genres but less forgiving with others.

Just so I'm clear- are you going strictly 2CH? Even for movies? I'm not very familiar with that receiver but there's always a way to do it, even without subwoofer outputs.

[zumbo]

couldn't figure that one out... let me go try that. i also couldn't figure out how to but the front speakers "small". why do i need to do that. their sure as hell not small ;)

This is a misunderstood phrase. SMALL refers to two things.

1) The low-end frequency response your speakers are capable of.

2) Whether or not you want the receiver to re-direct low frequencies to your sub that are found on media without an LFE track.


what should i set the cross over at? 80hrz?

Depends on the FR of the center channel. While most would argue that it depends on the mains, with a receiver such as yours, the center has to be taken into consideration.

Please list your speakers.

[manly p hall]

While you can get great 2CH w/ subs for under $2,500 I don't think that's overkill at all. My rig consists of Monitor Audio GR20s/GR Center/GR10's with a pair of HSU TN-1220 subs...just the 2CH part is well over that range.

I'm not a huge believer in different speakers for different genres- within reason, a good speaker will play anything it's asked to. That said, a speaker that's a touch bright might be okay with some genres but less forgiving with others.

Just so I'm clear- are you going strictly 2CH? Even for movies? I'm not very familiar with that receiver but there's always a way to do it, even without subwoofer outputs.



rob=freemason?

scottish rite?

york?

[manly p hall]

This is a misunderstood phrase. SMALL refers to two things.

1) The low-end frequency response your speakers are capable of.

2) Whether or not you want the receiver to re-direct low frequencies to your sub that are found on media without an LFE track.




Depends on the FR of the center channel. While most would argue that it depends on the mains, with a receiver such as yours, the center has to be taken into consideration.

Please list your speakers.


speakers? i'm ashamed to say....


athena ls500's and energy c-c100 center

[zumbo]

speakers? i'm ashamed to say....


athena ls500's and energy c-c100 center

I would start-out at 80Hz, but would not be afraid to try 60Hz. The only issue you may have with 60Hz is when employing the center channel on things like a concert dvd. If you get a slap, just back-off on the volume a little.

I use a 60Hz x-over point, and my center channel has similar specs as yours. 60Hz helps a lot with not being able to localize the sub. It also makes the sub blend better with the mains. A LOT BETTER.

The specs for my center.
Impedance: 4 Ohms
Frequency Response: 50Hz - 32kHz
Sensitivity: 90dB
Power Range: 70 - 130 Watts
Crossover Frequency: 3kHz

The specs for yours.
Recommended Amplifier Power: up to 125 watts
Nominal Impedence: 8 ohms; Minimum Impedance: 4 ohms
Frequency Response: 50Hz-20kHz +/- 3 dB
Useable Bass Response (-10db Anechoic): 45 Hz
Sensitivity: anechoic 88 dB; 2 speakers in a typical room: 91 dB
Crossover Point: 2.2 kHz

[zumbo]

The mods are messing with my mind.:eek::eek::eek::D

[manly p hall]

The mods are messing with my mind.:eek::eek::eek::D

mine too :eek:

[zumbo]

mine too :eek:

You must be #1.;)

[Davemcc]

i'm looking for a high efficient tower that has good enough bass to were i can run them sub-less in 2ch mode.

http://www.salksound.com/SongTower.shtml

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36600&highlight=salk+songtower

Spend the rest of the budget on an amplifier.

[gus6464]

http://www.salksound.com/SongTower.shtml

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36600&highlight=salk+songtower

Spend the rest of the budget on an amplifier.

The ST lacks behind in output compared to the Paradigm Studio, Signature, and most Def Tech Supertowers so they wouldn't that great of a fit for what the OP is looking for.

[manly p hall]

http://www.salksound.com/SongTower.shtml

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36600&highlight=salk+songtower

Spend the rest of the budget on an amplifier.

what amp would you recommend?

[mike c]

and you're all featured on "punk'd"

#1gamecock = manly p hall

sorry guys, didn't know til now.