Panny BD35 or the BD55?

[speakerman39]

Guys, I am going to get one of these two BR players. From what I can tell, they are essentially the same with the main exceptions:
The BD55 can decode the new codecs internally and has 7.1 multi-channel outputs. So, if my receiver can do the decoding why should I go with the BD55 then? I would have no need for the multi-channel outputs. I am leaning towards the BD35 as I type this. Can any of you chime in and offer some advice?

Cheers,

Phil

PS I am also looking at the Sony 350/550. But, it seems the Panny's are doing quite well from what I garner. Am I right here?

[jostenmeat]

You nailed it. Go with the 35 model.

Its the same thing between Sony stuff, 350 vs 550. I think someone (avs) even opened up the players, side by side, and all of the video stuff was identical. There might be photos posted in fact... don't remember.

[speakerman39]

You nailed it. Go with the 35 model.

Its the same thing between Sony stuff, 350 vs 550. I think someone (avs) even opened up the players, side by side, and all of the video stuff was identical. There might be photos posted in fact... don't remember.
Thanks Jost for your help. Do you think the PS3 would be a better option than the BD35? Just curious is all.

Cheers,

Phil

[Emusica]

Thanks Jost for your help. Do you think the PS3 would be a better option than the BD35? Just curious is all.

Cheers,

Phil

Depends on what you want to do. Right now, you can get the BD35 for $267 on Amazon. That's a lot cheaper than a PS3. I elected to get the BD55 ($344) because I wanted the analog outs. That was really one of main reasons for me not getting a PS3. Now, these players are cheaper, so I jumped on it. If you want to play games, stream music, blu-ray, etc, then PS3 will be the way to go. If you can hold off, they will be even cheaper in the coming months;)

[Emusica]

If you can hold off, they will be even cheaper in the coming months;)

They, meaning stand-alone players, not the PS3. If I wasn't clear, sorry.

[jostenmeat]

Thanks Jost for your help. Do you think the PS3 would be a better option than the BD35? Just curious is all.

Cheers,

Phil

The PS3 is a really special creature. It boasts a video gaming console, media center for streaming, has wireless capability to update easily, software based system that makes it very future-proof, coupled to a badass Cell processor, etc.

It has good sd-dvd playback, has good BD playback, loads the fastest of all (IIRC 35 secs from insertion to video, whereas BD-50 is 8 seconds longer).

It can play SACD.

There is nothing else like it, and if you actually use all of its features, its an incredible bargain. Because, that is a ton of features in one machine.



OTOH,

It doesn't have m-ch analogs, but that's pointless to you.

It can't bitstream, but that's a non-issue for 99.99% of the world.

No IR sensor, which bothers me, but the IR/BT converter is said to be $20 or so. I'd love to see a pic to see how much ugliness, if any at all, that entails. (I control everything with a URC).


So, the advantages of going with BD-35:

- most likely better BD video quality, measurably*, if only going by its predecessors. (But, can you even tell the difference, subjectively?).

- Cheaper. That's the best benefit.

- Bitstream. (hey, cool logos popping up on receiver). It may also make it easier to turn off auto-DRC that TrueHD tracks seem to employ (I guess that doing so in receiver, rather than player, is easier/convenient). Not sure, YMMV.


So, if it was me, I get the Panasonic. However, for most of the world, PS3 is preferred.

[speakerman39]

They, meaning stand-alone players, not the PS3. If I wasn't clear, sorry.
Yeah, have had several people mention to me that the stand-alone players will come down for the holiday shopping season. Thanks for the info.

Cheers,

Phil

[speakerman39]

The PS3 is a really special creature. It boasts a video gaming console, media center for streaming, has wireless capability to update easily, software based system that makes it very future-proof, coupled to a badass Cell processor, etc.

It has good sd-dvd playback, has good BD playback, loads the fastest of all (IIRC 35 secs from insertion to video, whereas BD-50 is 8 seconds longer).

It can play SACD.

There is nothing else like it, and if you actually use all of its features, its an incredible bargain. Because, that is a ton of features in one machine.



OTOH,

It doesn't have m-ch analogs, but that's pointless to you.

It can't bitstream, but that's a non-issue for 99.99% of the world.

No IR sensor, which bothers me, but the IR/BT converter is said to be $20 or so. I'd love to see a pic to see how much ugliness, if any at all, that entails. (I control everything with a URC).


So, the advantages of going with BD-35:

- most likely better BD video quality, measurably*, if only going by its predecessors. (But, can you even tell the difference, subjectively?).

- Cheaper. That's the best benefit.

- Bitstream. (hey, cool logos popping up on receiver). It may also make it easier to turn off auto-DRC that TrueHD tracks seem to employ (I guess that doing so in receiver, rather than player, is easier/convenient). Not sure, YMMV.


So, if it was me, I get the Panasonic. However, for most of the world, PS3 is preferred.

Thanks Jost. It seems just like in life, everything is about trade-offs. You know, the lesser of two evils so to speak. I may just wait a bit longer to see how much prices drop before making my decision. The PS3 probably will remain at $399 no matter what. That in and of itself may be the determinant factor to go with the Panny.

Cheers,

Phil

[jostenmeat]

Thanks Jost. It seems just like in life, everything is about trade-offs.

QFT.

You know, the lesser of two evils so to speak.

I encourage you to look at it as the glass being half-full, rather than half-empty. ;)

I may just wait a bit longer to see how much prices drop before making my decision. The PS3 probably will remain at $399 no matter what. That in and of itself may be the determinant factor to go with the Panny.

Cheers,

Phil

Sounds like a plan, and you are quite welcome.

[Davemcc]

I just went out and bought the BD35 today. Maybe you guys can tell me if what I'm thinking is correct. The BD35 cannot bitstream the HD audio codecs. It can only decode them internally and send the HD codecs via PCM, correct?

[Adam]

Dave, the BD35 can decode them itself or pass out the bitstream for your Integra to decode. Your choice.

[speakerman39]

QFT.



I encourage you to look at it as the glass being half-full, rather than half-empty. ;)



Sounds like a plan, and you are quite welcome.
Hey Jost, nothing like positive thinking. ;);) Guess, we all need reminded of that from time to time. Thanks once again.

Cheers,

Phil

[Davemcc]

Dave, the BD35 can decode them itself or pass out the bitstream for your Integra to decode. Your choice.

In the digital audio output section of the menu, I get the following instruction.

"When 'bitstream' is selected in each setting below with the BD-Video Secondary Audio set to 'On', the audio or the BD-Video is converted and output as follows"
-Dolby D+, Dolby TrueHD to Dolby Digital
DTS-HD to DTS

If you want to enjoy the original audio, please set the BD-Video Secondary Audio to 'Off'"

I tried to bitstream with the secondary audio off and no sound was output (The movie Sunshine set to DTS-HD). If I read this correctly, it I set the secondary audio to on, it sends out a standard DD or DTS signal. If I set the secondary audio to off, I get no sound. If I choose PCM, with secondary audio on, I get sound and the Integra display says 'multi channel'.

Now, if I am bitstreaming the original DTS-HD track, should not the Integra display say something like DTS-HD? Instead, I get no audio at all.:confused::confused::confused:

[Adam]

Let me see if I can find that manual. I was going off of what Cnet said in their detailed review.

[Adam]

Well, the BD35 can definitely output the HD audio tracks. As you said, you would turn the secondary audio to "off" and set the audio to output as "bitstream".

Now, are you sure that your Integra is set up to handle the bitstream input? Perhaps you need to set something up in that menu. I'm guessing that this is the first time that you've tried these codecs with the Integra.

At the end of the day, though, I'll bet that it'll sound just about (if not exactly) the same if it's decoded by the Panasonic or the Integra.

[Adam]

Dave, I just skimmed through the manual for your 9.8. I don't know if the following applies because I don't know how it handles a switch from PCM to bitstream, but this might be it. For the PCM input, you probably selected "Multichannel" as the listening mode. That mode won't work for the bitstream signals. You would want to select a different listening mode (assuming that the 9.8 doesn't switch it automatically).

[jostenmeat]

In the digital audio output section of the menu, I get the following instruction.

"When 'bitstream' is selected in each setting below with the BD-Video Secondary Audio set to 'On', the audio or the BD-Video is converted and output as follows"
-Dolby D+, Dolby TrueHD to Dolby Digital
DTS-HD to DTS

If you want to enjoy the original audio, please set the BD-Video Secondary Audio to 'Off'"

I tried to bitstream with the secondary audio off and no sound was output (The movie Sunshine set to DTS-HD). If I read this correctly, it I set the secondary audio to on, it sends out a standard DD or DTS signal. If I set the secondary audio to off, I get no sound. If I choose PCM, with secondary audio on, I get sound and the Integra display says 'multi channel'.

Now, if I am bitstreaming the original DTS-HD track, should not the Integra display say something like DTS-HD? Instead, I get no audio at all.:confused::confused::confused:

Under connections I have:
Speakers as multi channel
HDMI Audio On

Audio:
DRC off, PCM down conversion off
Bitstreaming everything (x4)
Secondary audio is off

HOWEVER, I have no idea how audio would work on extras, for I have yet to play a single extra. Not once have I even tried. We will see on that. . . someday . . .

Also note my player is not the BD-35, but the BD-30 . . . however, I imagine the settings have to be pretty darn similar.

Congrats on your new toy.

[Davemcc]

Weird stuff going on. First DRC seems to have no effect. There is a menu item in the player that allows you to select it off. There is no indication that DRC or night mode is turned on on the Integra. There is no light to indicate that and when I push the night button it says "not available".

Second, when choosing bitstream and BD-Video off, I still get no sound but the Integra display says "Dolby Digital". When choosing bitstream and BD-video on, I get sound but the Integra display says "DTS" just as the players menu instruction indicates. I assume that if I am bitstreaming DTS-HD the the Integra will display DTS-HD.

Third, if the player is actually bitstreaming DTS-HD, I see no way of setting the Integra so that it will identify that signal. Maybe that's why I get no sound. The Integra isn't recognizing the players DTS-HD bitstream for what it is?

I would like to see the Integra display DTS-HD at least once to know that I have succesfully bitstreamed the hi-def codec. If I set the player to PCM, I can't really confirm that I'm listening to the hi-def version. Actually, I pretty sure I'm not since when I bitstream with BD-video off, the player info icon indicates DTS-HD but the Integra indicates Dolby Digital. That's certainly a conflict I'd like to resolve.

[Adam]

Dave, have you tried changing the listening mode on the Integra, or does it do that automatically?

[Davemcc]

I've got my manual open in another browser window right now. It says it selects automatically. But it also indicates something about the Audio Select button that I'm going to try now.

This whole process is like pulling taffy because every change I make in the player takes 5-10 minutes with stopping the disc then having to back through all the Interpol, FBI and other warnign screens to get back to the movie.

Edit, you know what. I'm going to bed. The player says it's sending out bitstream of DTS-HD MA but the Integra is only showing that it's receiving 2 channel digital audio. Somewhere, I'm losing my hi-def audio and I don't know how to find it. This is my first attempt at HD audio. Was I naive in thinking that it should be PnP like every other sound field on the market?

[jostenmeat]

Assuming that the BD-35 is setup correctly, I can only imagine it being due to the settings of your 9.8.

Other very simple assumptions I make are that you are choosing the right codec on the disc itself, and that HDMI is the only connection from BD-35 to 9.8.

The fact you get 2.0 PCM is strange. That can happen with "lossless" thru SPDIF, or maybe that has something to do with the "PCM downmixing off" setting I referred to??

It should be PnP. I was actually kinda shocked how easy it was when I first got my BDP and HD-DVD players. Setup was about 2 minutes each is my guess.

I am starting to fear hardware issues somewhere, whether player or pre/pro, but report back on "PCM downconversion" in BD35 and other settings within Integra. Try a different disc outside of Sunshine to be sure as well.

Sorry for your troubles!

[speakerman39]

Assuming that the BD-35 is setup correctly, I can only imagine it being due to the settings of your 9.8.

Other very simple assumptions I make are that you are choosing the right codec on the disc itself, and that HDMI is the only connection from BD-35 to 9.8.

The fact you get 2.0 PCM is strange. That can happen with "lossless" thru SPDIF, or maybe that has something to do with the "PCM downmixing off" setting I referred to??

It should be PnP. I was actually kinda shocked how easy it was when I first got my BDP and HD-DVD players. Setup was about 2 minutes each is my guess.

I am starting to fear hardware issues somewhere, whether player or pre/pro, but report back on "PCM downconversion" in BD35 and other settings within Integra. Try a different disc outside of Sunshine to be sure as well.

Sorry for your troubles!

Dang Jost, you are the man! How did you learn all of this? Guess, I have a way to go just yet! :p:p

Cheers,

Phil

[Davemcc]

Assuming that the BD-35 is setup correctly, I can only imagine it being due to the settings of your 9.8.

Other very simple assumptions I make are that you are choosing the right codec on the disc itself, and that HDMI is the only connection from BD-35 to 9.8.

The fact you get 2.0 PCM is strange. That can happen with "lossless" thru SPDIF, or maybe that has something to do with the "PCM downmixing off" setting I referred to??

It should be PnP. I was actually kinda shocked how easy it was when I first got my BDP and HD-DVD players. Setup was about 2 minutes each is my guess.

I am starting to fear hardware issues somewhere, whether player or pre/pro, but report back on "PCM downconversion" in BD35 and other settings within Integra. Try a different disc outside of Sunshine to be sure as well.

Sorry for your troubles!

The BD35 doesn't have the option of downmixing off. The choices are downmix to stereo or surround encoded. I have it set to surround encoded. But that shouldn't come into play when sending bitstream, should it?

As near as I can tell, the player is doing what it's supposed to. DTS-HD MA is selected in the disc menu and the player claims to be sending a DTS-HD MA signal. The only connection from the player to the Integra is HDMI. Clutching at straws here, could it be my Monoprice cable is a bottleneck? Unlikely but hey, the signal seems to be getting lost between the player and the Integra and their ain't nothing else between them but that cable.

I'm kind of glad to hear that the codec itself is supposed to be PnP but that also means that there is something gone awry over here. I just wish I knew what it was. I think the next step is to swap in a better HDMI cable and if that doesn't work, maybe a call to Integra is in order.

[jostenmeat]

Dang Jost, you are the man! How did you learn all of this? Guess, I have a way to go just yet! :p:p


Thanks Phil. I was considering typing a really long explanation full of lots of stupid humor, but I want to get to Dave's problem! But the short story is that I know a lot for a layman, but am quite a long ways from a true expert. Which is fine enough with me. ;)

The BD35 doesn't have the option of downmixing off. The choices are downmix to stereo or surround encoded. I have it set to surround encoded. But that shouldn't come into play when sending bitstream, should it?

As near as I can tell, the player is doing what it's supposed to. DTS-HD MA is selected in the disc menu and the player claims to be sending a DTS-HD MA signal. The only connection from the player to the Integra is HDMI. Clutching at straws here, could it be my Monoprice cable is a bottleneck? Unlikely but hey, the signal seems to be getting lost between the player and the Integra and their ain't nothing else between them but that cable.

I'm kind of glad to hear that the codec itself is supposed to be PnP but that also means that there is something gone awry over here. I just wish I knew what it was. I think the next step is to swap in a better HDMI cable and if that doesn't work, maybe a call to Integra is in order.

Dave, I'm presently buried in the AVS Integra 9.8 thread.

secondary audio must be off. check.

*The 9.8 has audio setup for each input. You may have selected DPL IIx for LCPM for one or more inputs; but not for the "xxxx"* (x=PS3, but insert BD-35?).

*will continue to update with new findings . . . taking mini-break. please report. :D

[jostenmeat]

Ok, now I'm in the BD-35 AVS thread. This is most likely totally unrelated: but your display, Toshiba, is 60hz tv? So, 24p is off (default) in player?

Someone was having issue with surround back channels not playing with 7.1 pcm track of 310 to Yuma when 24p was on. Off, it worked fine. Strange.

*keeps digging*

[mtrycrafts]

Ok, now I'm in the BD-35 AVS thread. This is most likely totally unrelated: but your display, Toshiba, is 60hz tv? So, 24p is off (default) in player?

Someone was having issue with surround back channels not playing with 7.1 pcm track of 310 to Yuma when 24p was on. Off, it worked fine. Strange.

*keeps digging*

Yep, the simple days of DVD, load and watch, is over.:eek:

[Davemcc]

Dave, I'm presently buried in the AVS Integra 9.8 thread.

secondary audio must be off. check.

*The 9.8 has audio setup for each input. You may have selected DPL IIx for LCPM for one or more inputs; but not for the "xxxx"* (x=PS3, but insert BD-35?).

*will continue to update with new findings . . . taking mini-break. please report. :D

Ok, now I'm in the BD-35 AVS thread. This is most likely totally unrelated: but your display, Toshiba, is 60hz tv? So, 24p is off (default) in player?

Someone was having issue with surround back channels not playing with 7.1 pcm track of 310 to Yuma when 24p was on. Off, it worked fine. Strange.

*keeps digging*

Thanks a ton for you your help. In the Integra's source setup menu, the DTS-HD Master Audio setting is set to DTS-HD MSTR. It should, in theory, play that codec and display it on the screen when it receives that signal. I replaced the Sunshine disc with the Chicago/EW&F BD disc and when I bitstream DTS-HD MA, it still shows up as a two channel signal on the Integra display with Dolby Digital also displayed and there is no sound at all.

When I switch the player to PCM, the Integra displays Multichannel with all channels receiving a signal and the audio plays just fine. As far as I can tell, there is no way for me to bitstream the HD codec and have the Integra do the processing. It's either not receiving or not recognizing the codec.

24p is off. I hadn't even found that page of settings until you mentioned that.

Thanks again.

[Davemcc]

I think I found the problem. I read several dozen pages over at AVS and located a reference in the Integra thread to something called the DTS Bomb, or Bitstream Bomb. Apparently, the Integra needs a DSP upgrade in order to process DTS. Also not available as a FW update, but a separate update of the DSP that's supposed to be done by an authorized service agent.

Needless to say, I'm pretty upset right now. So much for PnP.:mad:

Thanks for the help Josten. That's one heck of a giant thread over there to try and find anything.

[Adam]

Apparently, the Integra needs a DSP upgrade in order to process DTS. Also not available as a FW update, but a separate update of the DSP that's supposed to be done by an authorized service agent.

:eek: I never saw that coming.

I'd be mad, too!

[Davemcc]

I'm checking further. The DTS bomb may be something else entirely. Apparently it refers to a very loud pop, like a gunshot or fireworks, when bitstreaming DTS-HD MA. So I may be no further ahead in trying to bitstream the codec.

It seems I have about 600 pages of related threads to go through over there, but screw it. It's past my bedtime. I'm going to bed.

[itschris]

Hey Dave, I have little to offer you help-wise, but have you called Integra yet? I was always under the impression they had great tech support. I'm sure you'll waste some time with them giong through the obvious, but maybe it's something simple you're overlooking or some hidden setting you need.

[jostenmeat]

I'm checking further. The DTS bomb may be something else entirely. Apparently it refers to a very loud pop, like a gunshot or fireworks, when bitstreaming DTS-HD MA. So I may be no further ahead in trying to bitstream the codec.

It seems I have about 600 pages of related threads to go through over there, but screw it. It's past my bedtime. I'm going to bed.

True. The "bomb" is a really big bomb, and you would know for sure. FWIW, I have heard of a nightmare story or two in sending the unit in for service. It can take FOREVER.

If we are sure that's a pre/pro issue, I highly encourage you to let your dealer know right now. DEMAND that he swaps a new one for you, and THEN send the old unit in for update, (if necessary). Let him do it, in fact.

Your dealer should agree. It wasn't chump change, the thing should work, and you're a swell guy. ;)

[Davemcc]

True. The "bomb" is a really big bomb, and you would know for sure. FWIW, I have heard of a nightmare story or two in sending the unit in for service. It can take FOREVER.

If we are sure that's a pre/pro issue, I highly encourage you to let your dealer know right now. DEMAND that he swaps a new one for you, and THEN send the old unit in for update, (if necessary). Let him do it, in fact.

Your dealer should agree. It wasn't chump change, the thing should work, and you're a swell guy. ;)

I'm in luck there. My dealer actually is the authorized repair center. I'm going to try to set up a time to take the unit in and see if he can make it bitstream HD audio. If he can, I'll tell him that I'll buy whatever player he used to make it happen. If not, he can fix it.

[Davemcc]

I ended up speaking with the Integra tech line and spoke to a pretty nice and helpful fellow. He actually had a BD30 on hand to confirm his settings the same as mine. His worked just fine bitstreaming the HD codecs. Also confirmed setup in the processor is correct. Next step, return the BD35 for another player and try again.

Apologies to the OP for hijacking this thread for my own purpose. Even I didn't see that coming. But thanks again to everybody that contributed.

[speakerman39]

Guys, it looks like I am going to order a Panny BD35 BR player. I believe it will suite my needs. Looking forward to getting it. Thanks to everyone here that offered me some outstanding advice. As always, it is much appreciated.

Cheers,

Phil

[jostenmeat]

I'm in luck there. My dealer actually is the authorized repair center. I'm going to try to set up a time to take the unit in and see if he can make it bitstream HD audio. If he can, I'll tell him that I'll buy whatever player he used to make it happen. If not, he can fix it.

You are more fortunate than you realize! :)

I ended up speaking with the Integra tech line and spoke to a pretty nice and helpful fellow. He actually had a BD30 on hand to confirm his settings the same as mine. His worked just fine bitstreaming the HD codecs. Also confirmed setup in the processor is correct. Next step, return the BD35 for another player and try again.

Please report.

Apologies to the OP for hijacking this thread for my own purpose. Even I didn't see that coming. But thanks again to everybody that contributed.

Oh, its just more fodder for his argument! :p

Guys, it looks like I am going to order a Panasconic BD35 BR player. I believe it will suite my needs. Looking forward to getting it. Thanks to everyone here that offered me some outstanding advice. As always, it is much appreciated.

Cheers,

Phil

Congrats Phil, and fine choice.

[speakerman39]

Congrats Phil, and fine choice.[/QUOTE]

Thanks Jost. I am getting ready to pull the trigger. Looking forward to getting it. Feel like a kid in a candy store! ;);)

Cheers,

Phil

[Davemcc]

Guys, it looks like I am going to order a Panny BD35 BR player. I believe it will suite my needs. Looking forward to getting it. Thanks to everyone here that offered me some outstanding advice. As always, it is much appreciated.

Cheers,

Phil

The BD35 still likes like a good choice to me. I replaced my BD35 with a Sony BDP-S550 and I'm still unable to process HD audio bitstream so it appears to be no fault of the BD35. It's gotta be a fault in the processor.

One entirely subjective note on the difference between the BD35 and the BDP-S550, while not having both side by side to compare, it seems to me that the BD35 has a sharper image. After having watched Sunshine so many times trying to get the HD audio to work, I think I'm comfortable saying that I prefer the image quality of the BD35 vs the Sony watching the same movie. No real objective data to support that, but that's my impression.

Enjoy the BD35.

[speakerman39]

The BD35 still likes like a good choice to me. I replaced my BD35 with a Sony BDP-S550 and I'm still unable to process HD audio bitstream so it appears to be no fault of the BD35. It's gotta be a fault in the processor.

One entirely subjective note on the difference between the BD35 and the BDP-S550, while not having both side by side to compare, it seems to me that the BD35 has a sharper image. After having watched Sunshine so many times trying to get the HD audio to work, I think I'm comfortable saying that I prefer the image quality of the BD35 vs the Sony watching the same movie. No real objective data to support that, but that's my impression.

Enjoy the BD35.
Thanks Dave for your input. I decided that today was the day I made the hump to BR. In fact, I already have a bunch of BR movies and I don't even have my player yet! ;);) I know it is crazy, but I am excited to say the least. :cool::cool: My new Denon 2808 CI is due to arrive on Friday. Did not have the funds for the 3808 CI. However, I am still very happy with my decision to get the 2808.

Cheers,

Phil

[speakerman39]

hump to BR...........LOL!!!!! :eek::eek: I meant jump! ;);)

Cheers,

Phil

[Davemcc]

Thanks Dave for your input. I decided that today was the day I made the hump to BR. In fact, I already have a bunch of BR movies and I don't even have my player yet! ;);) I know it is crazy, but I am excited to say the least. :cool::cool: My new Denon 2808 CI is due to arrive on Friday. Did not have the funds for the 3808 CI. However, I am still very happy with my decision to get the 2808.

Cheers,

Phil

I'm sure you'll be happy with the BD35/2808 combo. I think Denon made big improvements to the video of the xx08 models over xx07 models like the one I had. Congrats.

[speakerman39]

I'm sure you'll be happy with the BD35/2808 combo. I think Denon made big improvements to the video of the xx08 models over xx07 models like the one I had. Congrats.
Thanks Dave for your vote of confidence. I hope you are right as it will be here tomorrow. :p:p I have read over at AVS that there is a glitch when watching some BR movies that use DTS HD Master. Supposedly, Denon is working on it. But, not sure what they can really do given that the 2808 does NOT have an ethernet port to deal with such issues. Oh well, nothing in life is ever perfect. Guess, I will just have to live with it. For the most part, the 2808 does as advertised from what I garner. ;);)

Cheers,

Phil

[mtrycrafts]

Thanks Dave for your vote of confidence. I hope you are right as it will be here tomorrow. :p:p I have read over at AVS that there is a glitch when watching some BR movies that use DTS HD Master. Supposedly, Denon is working on it. But, not sure what they can really do given that the 2808 does NOT have an ethernet port to deal with such issues. Oh well, nothing in life is ever perfect. Guess, I will just have to live with it. For the most part, the 2808 does as advertised from what I garner. ;);)

Cheers,

Phil

The discs that have the DTS issue, use Dolby:D A simpler solution, no?:D

[Davemcc]

The discs that have the DTS issue, use Dolby:D A simpler solution, no?:D

Maybe I'm one of the odd ones that just needs to see DTS-HD MSTR on the front panel display like the owner's manual says it should. I know I could send it LPCM or via multichannel analog with the S550, but that's not what I want to do and I paid a lot of money for the capability to do what I want to do. The Integra cost me nearly $2100 after taxes up here, after a substantial discount I might add. For that kind of coin, I want to be able to use each and every feature as advertised to balance the value equation.:)

[speakerman39]

The discs that have the DTS issue, use Dolby:D A simpler solution, no?:D
Care to be a bit more specific? Are you saying just use DD instead of the newer codecs whenever I encounter this problem? Sorry, but I am a bit confused here. It is my understanding that on some BR discs the rears become way too loud and the fronts become way too quiet. I really need to know how to get around issues like that. Sounds like you have dealt with it yourself.........right????

Cheers,

Phil

[mtrycrafts]

Care to be a bit more specific? Are you saying just use DD instead of the newer codecs whenever I encounter this problem? Sorry, but I am a bit confused here. It is my understanding that on some BR discs the rears become way too loud and the fronts become way too quiet. I really need to know how to get around issues like that. Sounds like you have dealt with it yourself.........right????

Cheers,

Phil

Not sure if Dolby has the same issue as what you brought up above
[b]I have read over at AVS that there is a glitch when watching some BR movies that use DTS HD Master.[/]
If so, then just switch to DD true or DD, then perhaps you won't have that DTS issue, especially when it is only on some BR discs.

If they are all like that, then that new Dolby processing is what is needed to keep all the channels properly audible no matter what the overall volume is.
One of the Admin folks posted a video about that new Dolby processing.

[speakerman39]

Not sure if Dolby has the same issue as what you brought up above
[b]I have read over at AVS that there is a glitch when watching some BR movies that use DTS HD Master.[/]
If so, then just switch to DD true or DD, then perhaps you won't have that DTS issue, especially when it is only on some BR discs.

If they are all like that, then that new Dolby processing is what is needed to keep all the channels properly audible no matter what the overall volume is.
One of the Admin folks posted a video about that new Dolby processing.
Okay and thanks for the info. I will look into this further when I have the time. Hopefully, I will get my 2808 set-up on Sunday. Then, I will go from there.

Cheers,

Phil

[jostenmeat]

This is a gratuitous bump:

Please look at my latest posts in the Deals section.

[billy p]

Well I just sold my Denon 3805 and have decided to return my BD55 and replace it with the BD35, which will save me about $125.00. I'm looking at HDMI receivers, therefore the analog outs became less of a requirement.:)

PS: So Phil, how are you liking the 2808 & BD35 combo because now I'm looking at the 2808 as well.:D

[speakerman39]

Well I just sold my Denon 3805 and have decided to return my BD55 and replace it with the BD35, which will save me about $125.00. I'm looking at HDMI receivers, therefore the analog outs became less of a requirement.:)

PS: So Phil, how are you liking the 2808 & BD35 combo because now I'm looking at the 2808 as well.:D
Hi Billy. This is one question I can easily answer-I am loving it!. :):) Now, I know first hand why a lot of people prefer Denon. It has been a while since I was wowed. Needless to say, the combination of the 2808 CI and my Panny BD35 has done just that. :D:D I have been very fortunate in that ALL of my latest upgrades have been rather significant. Looking forward to upgrading some more in the next few months. Billy, my vote is to go for it!

Cheers,

Phil

[murl]

One advantage of buying the 55 is it can decode Dolby TrueHD if you receiver doesn't do that. I don't want to get in to the "can you hear a difference" argument, I was just pointing out that it does it. If your receiver already decodes it your blowing money.

[Erin Hardison]

I took back my sammy bd5000 open box to CC today. Ordered the panny 35 last week and should be here tomorrow. I'm kind of bummed I have to wait until then to watch Dark Knight, though. :(

[speakerman39]

I took back my sammy bd5000 open box to CC today. Ordered the panny 35 last week and should be here tomorrow. I'm kind of bummed I have to wait until then to watch Dark Knight, though. :(
Hey Erin, I would loan you mine but ummmmmm........I may need it! :p:p You could always stop by and watch it yourself. ;);)

Cheers,

Phil

[murl]

where do you live in Western KY? I am in glasgow

[speakerman39]

where do you live in Western KY? I am in glasgow
Henderson here. It is good to see another fellow Kentuckian. ;);)

Cheers,

Phil

[Erin Hardison]

agh! stupid 35 won't be in until Thursday! Now I have to wait even longer to watch DK! :mad:

[speakerman39]

agh! stupid 35 won't be in until Thursday! Now I have to wait even longer to watch DK! :mad:
Erin, I know it is tough. But, it will just make it that much better when you do. Hang in there as it will be here before you know it. ;);)

Cheers,

Phil