JTR Speakers?

[poutanen]

Sorry for the double post, here's my original thread:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47622

Basically I want some feedback on JTR Speakers. They look like a new company, but seem very well respected. I just want feedback before I spend double on my centre speaker than I did for my pair of Yamaha S115V mains... :eek:

[jamie2112]

JTR Those are my initials..... thats funny...

[sparky77]

I don't really understand why you need high power handling unless you have a downright HUGE listening area. Those JTR's appear to be commercial typle loudspeakers. Commercial speakers tend to sacrafice a bit of their accuracy for higher efficiency. The website does say they're designed for small to medium applications, but who knows what they actually consider small, judging by the sensitivity, I would say probably about 50 seat theater is what they would call small.

Hopefully if anyone actually has experience with these products they'll chime in and correct me if I'm wrong.

[rmk]

I have an appointment to hear them on Friday (JTR T12LF's). I'll post comments if you're interested.

[bandphan]

I don't really understand why you need high power handling unless you have a downright HUGE listening area. Those JTR's appear to be commercial typle loudspeakers. Commercial speakers tend to sacrafice a bit of their accuracy for higher efficiency. The website does say they're designed for small to medium applications, but who knows what they actually consider small, judging by the sensitivity, I would say probably about 50 seat theater is what they would call small.

Hopefully if anyone actually has experience with these products they'll chime in and correct me if I'm wrong.

The JTRs are fantastic speakers when they cant be seen:D From almost all accounts, those who have heard them, liked them. M Seaton originaly turned me onto the brand and have followed them for the last year.

This member (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/member.php?u=7620788) at avs has a well respected opinon on them;)

[poutanen]

I have an appointment to hear them on Friday (JTR T12LF's). I'll post comments if you're interested.

Please do, if you can hear the T8's at the same time it'd be 1000 internets to you sir... lol :D

[poutanen]

I don't really understand why you need high power handling unless you have a downright HUGE listening area. Those JTR's appear to be commercial typle loudspeakers. Commercial speakers tend to sacrafice a bit of their accuracy for higher efficiency. The website does say they're designed for small to medium applications, but who knows what they actually consider small, judging by the sensitivity, I would say probably about 50 seat theater is what they would call small.

Hopefully if anyone actually has experience with these products they'll chime in and correct me if I'm wrong.

A little about my system:

- mains: Yamaha S115V's (15" woofer, 1" horn)
- subs: Yamaha SW118's (18") - x2
- surrounds: was using Yamaha S55 studio monitors, will be using S15e's (15" woofer, 1" horn, less power handling than the mains)

I need a centre that can handle the SPL levels of the rest of my system, so that when it's setup properly balanced, and I decide to push it, I'm not running into clipping on the amp, or over driving the speakers.

I've been using a pair of yamaha towers w/ a pair of 8" woofers in each and they've handled it, but I'm trying to eliminate comb filtering by using 1 dedicated centre speaker, and it's hard to find a centre to match the rest of my system without using another S115V.

These speakers (the triple 8) are supposed to be commercial strong with audiophile sound, and if it can at least match the Yamaha's I'll be thrilled. :D

[rmk]

Please do, if you can hear the T8's at the same time it'd be 1000 internets to you sir... lol :D

I hope to demo the T8's tonight and the T12's tomorrow. Will post my impressions here.

[zumbo]

- subs: Yamaha SW118's (18") - x2

Missed this in your other thread.:o

[rmk]

I had the opportunity to hear the Triple 8’s (LCR) in combo with 4 Slanted 8’s and two massive DIY subs at another Forum member’s house this week. The system was setup in a living room with no acoustic treatments outside of some heavy “blackout” curtains along one (left) sidewall and a brick fireplace along the other. This made the room a bit brighter than I am accustomed. The power was mostly pro audio (Crown amps) and a Denon 3806 AVR was the SSP. Like me, he had a dual display setup with an LCD flat panel and a nice Epson 1080 PJ and screen.

He uses Audyssey (via the Denon) and initially he had it engaged. With Audyssey engaged, the volume easily maxed out on the Denon. While it was reasonably loud, it did not seem loud enough for me (I may need a hearing check;)) considering these were action movies. After disengaging Audyssey, we gained quite a bit of headroom and the system sounded better (more crisp and alive). This deadening effect is something I have noticed with Audyssey. Apparently, some like it … I do not.

We ran a series of movie and music clips in the relatively short 40 min demo. I chose the HD-DVD ver. of Last Samurai and he chose the BR ver. of I Robot (played on a PS3). He was using a Berringer EQ for his DIY subs and like me, he plays with the settings quite a bit so they needed a bit of taming initially. Once he dialed them back a bit they sounded good and blended reasonably well with the JTR’s.

The JTR’s are finished with Truck Bed liner and look very pro-audio. If you are placing these in a living space you share with a female this will be a problem. I spoke with JTR before the demo and wood veneer finishes will be an option for a reasonable per speaker up-charge.

Ok impressions. Much of what I heard was familiar material. The speakers have very good dynamics (to me that means capable of volume without distortion) and dialog was reasonably intelligible amid the chaos of the sound tracks. These T8’s were the standard config with the coax driver (you can get the coax mounted on “top”) mounted in the middle of the two bass drivers. The center was on the horizontal and the LR’s were on stands vertical. There was quite a height difference in the L/R’s vs. the center and that may have accounted for some lack of cohesion with the front soundstage.

In any case, the JTR T8’s sounded good, but not as good as I had hoped. Musically, they presented the material in a “wall of sound” mode lacking the clarity and detail I am used to with all of my HT speakers dating back to my Monitor Audio Gold’s. Knowing how unreliable audio memory is and considering all of the other variables, I am reluctant to go much farther with any criticism of the JTR’s. Suffice to say that for their price, these could be a very good option for someone looking for big, Theater like sound in an HT.

I owe the JTR owner a demo of my system and I am thinking of doing a side by side with the JTR’s and my Revels. This would be a much longer session and would take power and room acoustics out of the equation. It would be interesting to hear the difference between such widely differentiated concepts and price points in a side by side comparison.

[poutanen]

I had the opportunity to hear the Triple 8’s (LCR) in combo with 4 Slanted 8’s and two massive DIY subs at another Forum member’s house this week. ***SNIP***

Thanks for the review, very honest. I'd like to hear what you think when you hear them back to back with the same music, no other variables, vs. your current system.

[poutanen]

Missed this in your other thread.:o

Is that bad or good? lol

I'll be honest with you, the Yamaha mains make a whole lot LESS bass than I expected when I got them years ago, the 15" actually does more of a full range job, as I think the crossover point is 1.7 kHz, and they drop off hard at 80 Hz.

Because they're a vented, but not a tuned port cabinet, there's no real gain anywhere in the low end, and this allows me to drive them fairly hard without the sound getting boomy.

The SW118s are great, but they like power. I was running a behringer A500 bridged into both subs, daisy chained together (a 4 ohm load) and it was barely getting them going. So I've pretty much decided on the Yamaha P7000S, I can pick one up locally for $785 and it should have just a little more give than the Behringer!!! :D

[zumbo]

Is that bad or good? lol

I didn't realize you had a complete 5.1 system. I don't believe there was any mention of your subs in the other thread. So, I assumed you were using the mains for LF. 'Tis why I was harping so about how new mains and a powered sub would outperform your current set-up.:o

[poutanen]

I didn't realize you had a complete 5.1 system. I don't believe there was any mention of your subs in the other thread. So, I assumed you were using the mains for LF. 'Tis why I was harping so about how new mains and a powered sub would outperform your current set-up.:o

Ah, it all makes sense now! :D

I should have explained my complete setup better in the other thread! And like I'm sure most peoples systems are, it's a constantly evolving animal, now more than ever since I'm buying a house, my room size, acoustics, everything is likely to change with the next setup...

[Jeff Permanian]

I have an appointment to hear them on Friday (JTR T12LF's). I'll post comments if you're interested.

Sounds as if there where some anomalies present (front end, amplifiers, room modes, speaker placement) and may not have properly demonstrated the JTR's. It seems as if Peter's system of Triple 12lf has been receiving some great reviews. Would you be able to evaluate that system?

[rmk]

Sounds as if there where some anomalies present (front end, amplifiers, room modes, speaker placement) and may not have properly demonstrated the JTR's. It seems as if Peter's system of Triple 12lf has been receiving some great reviews. Would you be able to evaluate that system?

I'm working on it:). Peter is a great guy and very accommodating.

Also, the Triple 8's will be paying a visit to my HT this weekend but I need to get a speakon to banana adapter in order to pair them with my amp. A local pro audio shop has them and I'm picking up a pair today.

[cbraver]

What is the pricing on the JTRs? It is hard for me to understand this thread without knowing that.

If your looking for big theater sound, I would look at Bag End (www.bagend.com). They are ugly as well, but sound fantastic and are used to master a lot of films.

rmk has a fairly big room, if I remember the pictures correctly, and he felt these speakers weren't loud enough... and they certainly look like they would go louder than his Revels would.

Although I don't know what kind of testing this company does, it also strikes me as kind of strange that they'll move the tweeter if you want. I would think they spent all kinds of time getting that placement right and that one place is ideal.

While some pro-audio companies make deep bass boxes, a lot of the nightclubs that use the deep frequencies (such as dubstep and drum and bass) have their own custom speakers/soundsystems ... because many pro-audio speakers are pop bass boxes that don't do well below 40Hz or so.

Oh, if you are ever in the U.K. see where the Valve (sometimes spelled VLV) soundsystem is at. 96kW drum and bass soundsystem, it is the loudest thing you will ever hear.

[rmk]

cbraver What is the pricing on the JTRs? It is hard for me to understand this thread without knowing that.
There is a price list on the JTR Website but the Triple8's are $899 and the Triple12's are $1499 each MSLP.

rmk has a fairly big room, if I remember the pictures correctly, and he felt these speakers weren't loud enough... and they certainly look like they would go louder than his Revels would.
I haven't hear the JTR's in my room (I will on Saturday). IMO, volume issue was due to the AVR driving them. It will be interesting to see how they sound vs the Revels.

[cbraver]

There is a price list on the JTR Website but the Triple8's are $899 and the Triple12's are $1499 each MSLP.


I haven't hear the JTR's in my room (I will on Saturday). IMO, volume issue was due to the AVR driving them. It will be interesting to see how they sound vs the Revels.

Ah, I see. I thought you said you were using Crown amps to power them, and figured you were using the Denon as a preamp. I can imagine a 4-ohm 600 watt IEC speaker would struggle when being powered by a ~150wpc amp, and vice versa, and that probably isn't good to base any judgement on.

I'm interested in your listening impressions once they are correctly powered and setup in your room.

[cbraver]

Sounds as if there where some anomalies present (front end, amplifiers, room modes, speaker placement) and may not have properly demonstrated the JTR's. It seems as if Peter's system of Triple 12lf has been receiving some great reviews. Would you be able to evaluate that system?

I just noticed your post. The phone number is 847 area code on the JTR website... north shore Chicago, right?... are you from JTR speakers?

He might be helpful with setup, rmk...

[poutanen]

I just noticed your post. The phone number is 847 area code on the JTR website... north shore Chicago, right?... are you from JTR speakers?

He might be helpful with setup, rmk...

He *IS* JTR Speakers! lol :p

[poutanen]

Ah, I see. I thought you said you were using Crown amps to power them, and figured you were using the Denon as a preamp. I can imagine a 4-ohm 600 watt IEC speaker would struggle when being powered by a ~150wpc amp, and vice versa, and that probably isn't good to base any judgement on.

I'm interested in your listening impressions once they are correctly powered and setup in your room.

I can't say for the JTR Triple 8's, but my mains (Yamaha S115V, 8 ohm, 98 SPL/1w, 500-1000W) sounded fine being powered by my receiver at 120w/ch, they sounded better being powered by a Behringer A500 at ~175w/ch, they sounded like completely different speakers when running a bridged Behringer A500 into each speaker at ~500w/ch.

I have a feeling these JTR's would be similar, they need to be powered enough to give them the headroom to sing...

[cbraver]

I can't say for the JTR Triple 8's, but my mains (Yamaha S115V, 8 ohm, 98 SPL/1w, 500-1000W) sounded fine being powered by my receiver at 120w/ch, they sounded better being powered by a Behringer A500 at ~175w/ch, they sounded like completely different speakers when running a bridged Behringer A500 into each speaker at ~500w/ch.

I have a feeling these JTR's would be similar, they need to be powered enough to give them the headroom to sing...

Yeah, these are 4-ohm with a 600 watt IEC according to the website. Sensitive, but, you still would want to impedence match.

[rmk]

The T8's were each being powered by Pro Audio amps putting out 1000 WPC with a Denon 3806 as pre. I don't think insufficient power was the issue. My System is powered by a Sunfire 400/7 and it is rated at 800 WPC @4 Ohms so they will be getting a bit less power than they are used to on Sat.

[poutanen]

The T8's were each being powered by Pro Audio amps putting out 1000 WPC with a Denon 3806 as pre. I don't think insufficient power was the issue. My System is powered by a Sunfire 400/7 and it is rated at 800 WPC @4 Ohms so they will be getting a bit less power than they are used to on Sat.

:eek: Methinks power was not an issue... :D

[cbraver]

K, I'm completely lost then. I'll just wait for your review, haha....

IMO, volume issue was due to the AVR driving them. It will be interesting to see how they sound vs the Revels.



...I interpret "driving them" as "powering them."

[poutanen]

The power was mostly pro audio (Crown amps) and a Denon 3806 AVR was the SSP. Like me, he had a dual display setup with an LCD flat panel and a nice Epson 1080 PJ and screen.

He uses Audyssey (via the Denon) and initially he had it engaged. With Audyssey engaged, the volume easily maxed out on the Denon.

Hold on, he was running 1000w/ch and the volume on the denon was maxed and it wasn't that loud? I think something may have needed a little tweaking with the setup! :eek:

FWIW, I run my main amps with the gain around half (past that you start getting noise), and the YPAO decided to bump my mains up 7-8 dB compared to the rest of the system. When I turn the volume up past 0 dB on the receiver, it's VERY loud, and the lights on the same circuit start dimming (I'm not joking).

Any idea what the gains on the crowns were set at? What about the pre-outs? I'm not familiar with those amps, but with a proper signal getting to them, and the JTRs, you should have been over 110 dB in there when pushing it. I think you'd find that loud! :D

It's too bad I couldn't get a set of JTR's to test drive in my house! lol

[rmk]

Sorry for the confusion. Audyssey on the Denon caused the volume issue but I believe that the amps and other system components were running off of a single 16amp circuit. I'm sure that contributed to the problem so I guess you could say that power was an issue. That should not be a problem in my Ht as I have 2-20's and one 16 amp dedicated circuits in the room.

[poutanen]

Sorry for the confusion. Audyssey on the Denon caused the volume issue but I believe that the amps and other system components were running off of a single 16amp circuit. I'm sure that contributed to the problem so I guess you could say that power was an issue. That should not be a problem in my Ht as I have 2-20's and one 16 amp dedicated circuits in the room.

Makes sense now, I'd like to hear how the JTR's are in your room (where all other things are equal)...

On another note, why does this Audyssey mute the volume so much? I thought it was similar to Yamahas YPAO, and the YPAO just tries to self setup for phase, distance, gain, and parametric-eq on each speaker. I've always got it "engaged" and the volumes aren't a problem. Is the denon a different kind of system?

[rmk]

Makes sense now, I'd like to hear how the JTR's are in your room (where all other things are equal)...

On another note, why does this Audyssey mute the volume so much? I thought it was similar to Yamahas YPAO, and the YPAO just tries to self setup for phase, distance, gain, and parametric-eq on each speaker. I've always got it "engaged" and the volumes aren't a problem. Is the denon a different kind of system?

I have never used nor heard YPAO so can't comment. Many Audyssey users (me included) have noted decreased SPL with Audyssey engaged. As it is cutting frequency peaks I suppose this is to be expected but I find that for me it over treats the sound and the results are dead sounding. Audyssey has both killed and over emphasized LFE in my system:confused:. I am beginning to think that the cheap little mic may be the culprit.

After running Audyssey EQ at least 25 times on my Integra 9.8 over the last few months and noting highly variable results, I now leave it off.

[cbraver]

How did it go? Or are you testing this evening?:D

[rmk]

How did it go? Or are you testing this evening?:D

I assume this was for me?:confused:

I did hear the JTR Triple 12LF's at another Forum (AVS) members house yesterday. The T8's are being brought to my HT by their owner and that is this afternoon. I will post my impressions this evening or tomorrow morning. For a teaser, the T12's are amazing:eek::D.

[rmk]

So as not to clog up Forums with redundant posts, here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14756002#post14756002) is a link to my informal demos of the JTR speakers this week.

[cbraver]

Very interesting.

It seems that these are an option for some of the bass heads on here that need mains to match the output of their subwoofers. They need to be put behind a screen though. Those things are so ugly. If your Revels are on par with them, please keep those, your theater is so nicely done those things would make it look like crap in my opinion. ;) If you built a false wall and used an acoustically transparent screen, go for it.

[rmk]

Very interesting.

It seems that these are an option for some of the bass heads on here that need mains to match the output of their subwoofers. They need to be put behind a screen though. Those things are so ugly. If your Revels are on par with them, please keep those, your theater is so nicely done those things would make it look like crap in my opinion. ;) If you built a false wall and used an acoustically transparent screen, go for it.

They really don't look that bad:p.

Am I a "bass head":confused::eek:..well it is what it is.:)

You are actually onto my new "master plan" and it will actually be easier than you described it as the wall behind my mains and eqiuipment cabinet is an empty attic space. Everything in wall and a BIG AT screen with a light canon PJ. If I do this, it will be a measure twice (maybe three times), cut once project that would be upgradeitis proof.

Sure, that's what they all say:p;):cool:

[poutanen]

So as not to clog up Forums with redundant posts, here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=14756002#post14756002) is a link to my informal demos of the JTR speakers this week.

Good write up, good to see them compared back to back with another speaker in the same room with all else being equal.

Also, good to hear your comments RE: pro-audio vs. home. I was beginning to think I was out to lunch! :D

Now, if only we could get Jeff to make the T8's in piano black, I'd buy 5 of them!

p.s. Angel by Massive Attack is one of my fave test tracks too, such a good deep bass at the beginning, good vocals, solid guitars. Fun!

[cbraver]

Massive Attack "Angel" is a great test... I like "Teardrop" from them also, especially the Mad Professor Mazaruni Vocal Mix.


They really don't look that bad:p.

Yes, they do. :D

Am I a "bass head":confused::eek:..well it is what it is.:)

You are actually onto my new "master plan" and it will actually be easier than you described it as the wall behind my mains and eqiuipment cabinet is an empty attic space. Everything in wall and a BIG AT screen with a light canon PJ. If I do this, it will be a measure twice (maybe three times), cut once project that would be upgradeitis proof.

Sure, that's what they all say:p;):cool:

Then those might be a great solution!! I took a look at your home theater again, I had not seen it in a while, and didn't remember all the subs... You are a bass head! Consider demoing Bag End as well. A lot of films have been recorded using them as monitors, and they have speakers for just about every application that sound wonderful. I'm a big fan, and for a big room that is what I would recommend. Of course, I haven't heard JTR speakers so I can't compare the two.

What a great project you have in mind. Please keep me up to date on it if you decide to go that route. I love the clean front wall look.

[poutanen]

Am I a "bass head":confused::eek:..well it is what it is.:)

If you're looking for more bass, I might sell my Yamaha SW118's (come on, everyone loves an 18" sub!) all you'd need is a yamaha P7000S and these things would pump! lol ;)

[Jeff Permanian]

Now, if only we could get Jeff to make the T8's in piano black, I'd buy 5 of them!

I'll get ya quote :D

[cbraver]

They could for sure work visibly with some wood veneer and a grill cloth. Easy to do after you have the speakers. I just wouldn't order them with Line-X unless your planning on touring with them.

It would be cool to buy the sub unfinished and then put some black marble on top. Lots of options.

[Jeff Permanian]

Now, if only we could get Jeff to make the T8's in piano black, I'd buy 5 of them!
Premium finishes for the Triple 8.

Piano Black or other gloss automotive finishes= +$200
Cherry, walnut, maple, mahogany +$400, 8-12 weeks

[poutanen]

Premium finishes for the Triple 8.

Piano Black or other gloss automotive finishes= +$200
Cherry, walnut, maple, mahogany +$400, 8-12 weeks

And now things get interesting... :D

[rmk]

I just purchased the Triple 12LF's (LCR) and will be wall mounting them behind a AT screen that I ordered today. Getting a new projector as well (JVC RS10) that should be here in Nov. I did a quick listen last night and I do not regret the speaker decision.:)

[mike c]

I just purchased the Triple 12LF's (LCR) and will be wall mounting them behind a AT screen that I ordered today. Getting a new projector as well (JVC RS10) that should be here in Nov. I did a quick listen last night and I do not regret the speaker decision.:)

and i didn't call this? :cool:

i knew you'd upgrade/change something. it's not you to stick to what you have. (cough gothams cough)

but now that you've ordered, i expect pics and comparisons - side by side :D

[Matt34]

I just purchased the Triple 12LF's (LCR) and will be wall mounting them behind a AT screen that I ordered today. Getting a new projector as well (JVC RS10) that should be here in Nov. I did a quick listen last night and I do not regret the speaker decision.:)

If you want to leave those Studio's curbside I can be at your place in about 9-10 hrs to pick them up.:p

Kay, thanks!

[rmk]

and i didn't call this? :cool:

i knew you'd upgrade/change something. it's not you to stick to what you have. (cough gothams cough)

but now that you've ordered, i expect pics and comparisons - side by side :D

I got tired of waiting for you to predict my next move:p

Will be posting some pics but the complete room re-do won't be done for a while. It will be everything either in-wall or behind the screen and I mean everything (except the seating:p). I am selling the Fathoms(F113's first) and will be doing something really big but invisable LFE wise ;).

[Matt34]

I got tired of waiting for you to predict my next move:p

Will be posting some pics but the complete room re-do won't be done for a while. It will be everything either in-wall or behind the screen and I mean everything (except the seating:p). I am selling the Fathoms(F113's first) and will be doing something really big but invisable LFE wise ;).

Too cool, color me green with envy.

[mike c]

i really really wish you had 220v.

good luck with your redesign, what? take all of 2 days? :D you build fast :)

IB? multiple sealed in walls?

[jostenmeat]

Will be posting some pics but the complete room re-do won't be done for a while. It will be everything either in-wall or behind the screen and I mean everything (except the seating:p). I am selling the Fathoms(F113's first) and will be doing something really big but invisable LFE wise ;).

Wow, thanks for being around and making me feel very sane! Or, maybe you are slowly drawing me deeper into insanity without me knowing it....

Quad IWS'? I presume your Fathoms are in gloss, not satin.

WTG on AT. I love my RS-1, so hopefully RS10 will be a marked improvement. Blacks and contrast are excellent, although people do complain about oversaturated colors. Still, you don't see too many people returning them!

[rmk]

If you want to leave those Studio's curbside I can be at your place in about 9-10 hrs to pick them up.:p

Kay, thanks!

If I could aford to give them away, you would be at the top of the list:). I'm serious about that Matt ... Thank you for your level headedness as a Mod here and for your service to our country.

The Studios are great speakers and I will miss them. I don't listen to music enough to justify having them. I found the JTR's more dynamic (100db sensitivity) and they can play really loud keeping up with my excessive subwoofage. The Revels trump them in detail but at 5X the price:o:confused:.

[rmk]

Wow, thanks for being around and making me feel very sane! Or, maybe you are slowly drawing me deeper into insanity without me knowing it....

Quad IWS'? I presume your Fathoms are in gloss, not satin.

WTG on AT. I love my RS-1, so hopefully RS10 will be a marked improvement. Blacks and contrast are excellent, although people do complain about oversaturated colors. Still, you don't see too many people returning them!

Glad I can help you on your journey:p

Yes, the Fathoms are gloss. I'm going IB (as Mike predicted;)) or perhaps a new as yet unannounced Danley product that would live behind my AT screen along with the JTR's.

I just saw a demo of the RS1 and that prompted me to pre-order the RS10. I may still do the RS20 but neither is actually available yet. Only prototypes have been seen at this point so I think the comments may be unreliable.

[jostenmeat]

IB. Aw man, I'd like to hear one of those sometime. I think you mighta said once that the PJ was not nearly as important to you as the audio stuff, but if you can swing it, aw hell go for the RS20. Or if that's going to be too much, maybe there will an RS-2 for sale. OTOH, the RS20 might have color correction abilities not inherent in the RS-2... which, well, aw hell ok nm.... :D:p

edit: Um, are we hijacking? Is this, like, your thread yet?

[mike c]

once RMK posts his JTR pics, we'll be back on topic :D

[poutanen]

I got tired of waiting for you to predict my next move:p

Will be posting some pics but the complete room re-do won't be done for a while. It will be everything either in-wall or behind the screen and I mean everything (except the seating:p). I am selling the Fathoms(F113's first) and will be doing something really big but invisable LFE wise ;).

I'm selling my SW118's... throw a big amp in and they should make some LFE speakers.... :D

I want to see/hear how things turn out.

[rmk]

once RMK posts his JTR pics, we'll be back on topic :D

I'm going to be doing some adjustments this weekend but this is what they look like just setting them in place of the Revels. You can see why I will be wall mounting them behind the AT screen... no? :eek::D:p.

Invisible they will be, see them I will not;). These babies behind a 137" fixed AT screen with an IB sub setup ... can you say mini IMAX. Well, that's what I'm shootin for.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n86/rmk_01/JTRs006.jpg

[poutanen]

I'm going to be doing some adjustments this weekend but this is what they look like just setting them in place of the Revels. You can see why I will be wall mounting them behind the AT screen... no? :eek::D:p.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't mind the look of them. Keep in mind I am used to/like chunky pro-audio stuff. Bigger is better! :D

I thought it was a bad idea to wall mount things (ie. for proper acoustics)???

[rmk]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't mind the look of them. Keep in mind I am used to/like chunky pro-audio stuff. Bigger is better! :D

I thought it was a bad idea to wall mount things (ie. for proper acoustics)???

I guess you could say they look industrial cool. I decided it wasn't worth getting a better looking finish as I didn't want to see them anyway.

I spoke with Jeff about this and he said that the wall boundry may boost the midbass a bit but EQ can take care of this if it is a problem.

It's been a while since I've been to one but as I recall, theater speakers are usually not on the floor;).

[mike c]

thanks to your pics, now i realize that the bluish driver must be the coaxial driver.

if you wall mount the L and R's, wouldn't you be raising the tweeter to high? maybe if you had gotten three JTR centers?

those are massive btw. you gotta pm me the prices :D

[rmk]

thanks to your pics, now i realize that the bluish driver must be the coaxial driver.

if you wall mount the L and R's, wouldn't you be raising the tweeter to high? maybe if you had gotten three JTR centers?

those are massive btw. you gotta pm me the prices :D

Good catch Mike, That is the coax driver and you are also correct about the potiential offset if I place them vertically as planned. I asked Jeff Permanian about this and his comment was that many LCR's exibit some offset in the drivers and essentially, don't sweat it.

I could mount the center horizontal to align the coaxial's but since the degree of offset is small (less than 1') I'm not concerned. I've been living with more than that with the Revels with no noticable effect.

Yes, they are massive and after listening to some rock and roll this afternoon I gotta say they sound pretty sweet. IMO, if you can deal with the looks/size, they are a great value HT speaker.

MSLP is just south of $1500 each.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n86/rmk_01/JTRs004.jpg

[poutanen]

Good catch Mike, That is the coax driver and you are also correct about the potiential offset if I place them vertically as planned. I asked Jeff Permanian about this and his comment was that many LCR's exibit some offset in the drivers and essentially, don't sweat it.

Is there a difference in the enclosure behind each driver that would stop you from changing the L/R to a LHL configuration instead of the LLH? I know I've seen the T8's setup either way. If you're going to the extent of building them into your wall, I'd go to the extent of having the L/C/R completely level (I'd even go as far as running them all horizontal or all vertical).

Just my $.02 of course... :D

[rmk]

Is there a difference in the enclosure behind each driver that would stop you from changing the L/R to a LHL configuration instead of the LLH? I know I've seen the T8's setup either way. If you're going to the extent of building them into your wall, I'd go to the extent of having the L/C/R completely level (I'd even go as far as running them all horizontal or all vertical).

Just my $.02 of course... :D

I spoke to Jeff about moving the drivers and he recommended against it. I'm thinking of mounting them vertical and raising the Center so that the coax drivers are on the same plane essentially centered in the screen.

[MidnightSensi]

Cool!

Have you thought of getting some of their bass bins? The Captavator goes down to 16 or 20 Hz depending how he tunes it.... I'm considering some of those (not for home use, but I think it would work well in a home theater)..

[poutanen]

I spoke to Jeff about moving the drivers and he recommended against it. I'm thinking of mounting them vertical and raising the Center so that the coax drivers are on the same plane essentially centered in the screen.

Okay, have you got the room to run them all horizontal, on the same plane? I suppose the LFs are only doing the real LF work which is a little less directional. At what point do they crossover to the coax's?

[rmk]

Did some setup and resositioning of the JTR's to get them closer to their final wall positions. They continue to impress with music and movies. I repositioned my subs and re EQed them.

These JTR's are too :cool: to be this ugly:p.
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n86/rmk_01/003-6.jpg

Stones Beggars Banquet SACD is playing right now (stereo plus subs) and the house is rockin. Huge soundstage, imaging is wide and deep. I'm re-running Iron Man BR tonight.
I Love new toys!:D

[Mark Seaton]

Hi RMK & others,

The coax in the Triple 12LF has its own rear chamber, so the locations cannot be swapped once the box is assembled. Jeff pulled off a cool trick in designing it such that the chamber could be assembled for top or middle coax placement. The crossover to the woofers is rather low in frequency to allow smooth off axis performance. The location or height of the speakers you are concerned with is that of the coaxial, not the bulk of the speaker.

Nice to hear you are still enjoying the T12LFs in your own home rmk.

Now about those subs... :cool:

[rmk]

Hi RMK & others,

The coax in the Triple 12LF has its own rear chamber, so the locations cannot be swapped once the box is assembled. Jeff pulled off a cool trick in designing it such that the chamber could be assembled for top or middle coax placement. The crossover to the woofers is rather low in frequency to allow smooth off axis performance. The location or height of the speakers you are concerned with is that of the coaxial, not the bulk of the speaker.

Nice to hear you are still enjoying the T12LFs in your own home rmk.

Now about those subs... :cool:

Thanks for the clarification Mark, I will mount them with the coaxials on same plane. I had a great night (actually well into the morning) listening session and the T12LF's were outstanding:cool:.

Now, what about those subs? I need something no deeper than the T12LFs. Danley isworking on something that seems like the ticket but if you have any ideas, I'm all ears;). IB is the other option as I have unused attic space behind the front (screen) wall of the room.

[Mark Seaton]

Thanks for the clarification Mark, I will mount them with the coaxials on same plane. I had a great night (actually well into the morning) listening session and the T12LF's were outstanding:cool:.

Now, what about those subs? I need something no deeper than the T12LFs. Danley isworking on something that seems like the ticket but if you have any ideas, I'm all ears;). IB is the other option as I have unused attic space behind the front (screen) wall of the room.

Those late night listening sessions are always a lot of fun. :cool:

With the T12LF's 16.5" square footprint, you will need 20-24" of clear depth, to accommodate a 10-20 deg toe in (that was a large contributor to the shape and dimensions I chose for the Catalyst). My Terraform designs, which can be essentially built to fit, can work in as little as 18" of depth (even less if the sides of the sub are open) so long as sufficient total volume is available. Depending on your construction plans, you may also want to consider allowing for more space for a subwoofer by building a partial cavity/protrusion into the attic space to make for a deeper area for the speakers and/or subwoofers.

I know it is posted around somewhere, but what are your room dimensions again? Finally, can you describe some of your priorities or goals for the new subwoofer solution and possibly what you've measured with your front or rear F113 locations?

Being on a second story, a subwoofer with power into the 10-12Hz range will have some fun tactile effects on the structure. Be sure to mount your projector directly and securely to the ceiling joists or it WILL visibly vibrate. Obviously my SubMersive would fit, and offer a better dynamics with greater sub 20Hz extension in-room than your current subs, but I suspect you are after more performance per dollar with less constraint of overall size and look, so long as it will fit.

[rmk]

Mark,
To avoid more OT discussion I sent you a PM.
RMK

[rmk]

As someone who has purchased and sold a large number of audio products in the last few years, I am well aware of the honeymoon period that exists with a new product. When I made the change from my Audiophile Revel Ultima2 speakers to the industrial and pro-audio looking JTR Triple12LF”S, I was not prepared for the magnitude of the differences between the speakers. I have been very busy of late due to work and some remodeling to the HT room, so my time the JTR’s has been limited. Like the Revels, the JTR’s seemed to image very well but they produce a much larger sound stage. The JTR”s also seemed to handle the dynamics of action movie sound tracks better than the Revels.

Overall, I was happy with this move despite the obvious aesthetic compromises. Yesterday I was speaking with Jeff Permanian ordering grilles for the T12 LF’s and I complimented him on his great sounding speaker. He thanked me and asked if I had tried playing them loud? I said that I had and they sounded great. When I got home last night I decided to give them another listen. I pulled out my AC/DC Bluray that I had tried to listen to on the Revels. This disk sounded so muddled and harsh on the Revels that I turned it off after trying to get through several cuts at near concert level volumes. I attributed this failure to a poor quality recording that my “audiophile’ speakers had exposed.

I remember thinking and saying to others in a pseudo knowledgeable tone that high quality speakers are so revealing that all the faults in poor recordings are exposed. I now believe that I was merely parroting the line I had heard so often on Forums and certain AV magazines (Stereophile). While I’m sure there is some truth to this contention, I now believe that it was more the Revels relatively low efficiency and lack of dynamics that caused the AC/DC bluray to sound so bad. With acoustic music or virtually any well recorded music played at moderate volume, the Revels were spectacular but they seemed over extended when trying to play loud. With the JTR’s, I was instantly transported into the concert, ear bleeding levels and all. No matter how hard I pushed them they kept going right up to an obscene level where my amp ran out of gas.

To validate this discovery I asked my fiancé to give the AC/DC bluray a listen. She had shared my disappointment with the Revels with this disk and other rock recordings and she had bought off on the Revel’s are to revealing for bad recordings story. I started out with her favorite cut Back in Black and from the first drum hit/chord blast she was blown away. We ended up going through some other heavy metal recordings like Metallica and Alice and Chains with equally pleasing results. After an hour of this audio assault we looked at each other and laughed. The only downside to this discovery is the potential hearing loss.

Please don’t take this as slamming Revel or any other “high end” speaker. For many, appearance and pedigree are important and certainly for two channel applications a strong case can be made for the Audiophile brands. But for my use and money, Jeff has created the best speaker I have heard/owned.

[poutanen]

Please don’t take this as slamming Revel or any other “high end” speaker. For many, appearance and pedigree are important and certainly for two channel applications a strong case can be made for the Audiophile brands. But for my use and money, Jeff has created the best speaker I have heard/owned.

This is what I've been saying about my Yamaha S115Vs. Many are quick to discount them as just clunker boxes, and they certainly are not. The dynamic range that a pro speaker and pro amp can handle is amazing when you get into it! :)

[rmk]

I ordered the full grille covers for the T12 LF’s from Jeff yesterday. Last night the Fiancé says “why are you covering up the drivers? … I think they look cool”:eek::confused:

Women … full of surprises :p

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n86/rmk_01/005-9.jpg

[poutanen]

I like the look of a pro front stage! Sorry to thread jack, but here's a pic of my new(old) front stage in my new house! Maybe it's a smaller room than my old place, but I'm dumbfounded how good only 3 speakers sounds... :D

6550

[Mark Seaton]

I ordered the full grille covers for the T12 LF’s from Jeff yesterday. Last night the Fiancé says “why are you covering up the drivers? … I think they look cool”:eek::confused:

Women … full of surprises :p

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n86/rmk_01/005-9.jpg

Hi RMK,

I just saw your last few posts here and got a good chuckle out of the above. Fortunately she is already "the Fiancé." Given here tolerance and interest in your HT adventure I'd suggest not wasting any time on further progression of said descriptor. ;)

Your observations about the concert DVD experience aligns well with what I've observed many times. While there are many aspects of performance which contribute to a great sounding loudspeaker, once you exceed the dynamic limits of a speaker/amp combo that limitations tends to stick out more than others. Of course many haven't considered the dynamic range you now have on tap to be previously possible or even a worthwhile design target.

It's quite likely I'll make it out to N. CA before the snow melts around Tahoe. With any luck our schedules might allow for a meet/listen.

Enjoy! :cool:

[rmk]

Hi RMK,

I just saw your last few posts here and got a good chuckle out of the above. Fortunately she is already "the Fiancé." Given here tolerance and interest in your HT adventure I'd suggest not wasting any time on further progression of said descriptor. ;)

Your observations about the concert DVD experience aligns well with what I've observed many times. While there are many aspects of performance which contribute to a great sounding loudspeaker, once you exceed the dynamic limits of a speaker/amp combo that limitations tends to stick out more than others. Of course many haven't considered the dynamic range you now have on tap to be previously possible or even a worthwhile design target.

It's quite likely I'll make it out to N. CA before the snow melts around Tahoe. With any luck our schedules might allow for a meet/listen.

Enjoy! :cool:

Hi Mark,

Yes, she is a keeper but at this stage of life, we are both happier with an open ended situation;).

I'd love to give your Catalysts a listen and it looks like that is a possibility based upon a mutual friends recent purchase.

I'd also appreciate your opinion of my system's setup. I have done it all by the seat of my pants and a professional reality check would be good. I'm only 60-90 minutes from Lake Tahoe;).

[Mark Seaton]

Hi Mark,

Yes, she is a keeper but at this stage of life, we are both happier with an open ended situation;).

I'd love to give your Catalysts a listen and it looks like that is a possibility based upon a mutual friends recent purchase.

I'd also appreciate your opinion of my system's setup. I have done it all by the seat of my pants and a professional reality check would be good. I'm only 60-90 minutes from Lake Tahoe;).

Hi rmk,

I can certainly appreciate that situation. (just don't let my g/f see this) ;)

I very much look forward to you hearing the Catalysts and your impressions of them. :)

You are definitely speakin' my language with incentive for a visit your way. :cool: The room is looking very nice and it looks like your next logical step will be to explore an acoustically transparent, CIH screen, and hide the speakers completely.

While not on Blu-Ray, if you enjoy the concert DVD's, you might also enjoy Peter Gabriel: Growing Up Live.

Enjoy,

[rmk]

Hi rmk,

I can certainly appreciate that situation. (just don't let my g/f see this) ;)

I very much look forward to you hearing the Catalysts and your impressions of them. :)

You are definitely speakin' my language with incentive for a visit your way. :cool: The room is looking very nice and it looks like your next logical step will be to explore an acoustically transparent, CIH screen, and hide the speakers completely.

While not on Blu-Ray, if you enjoy the concert DVD's, you might also enjoy Peter Gabriel: Growing Up Live.

Enjoy,

I hope to hear the Catalysts soon. A non-powered version would be necessary for me as I have re-wired my front stage and relocated the 20 amp circuits to the equipment closet. A single 16 is all that remains to power the plasma.

I almost pulled the trigger on a CIH AT screen with the T12LF's shelf mounted on the front wall. I decided to wait this out for a while as I really like having the dual use Projector/Plasma and there seem to be a lot of improvements just around the corner video wise. Also, if you've ever tried watching a basketball game on a big screen, it can be a bit much.

[calnbs]

For those interested in JTR speakers. A dealer is willing to list them on ebay for the live.com cash back. Looks like a good deal.

These speakers have gotten my attention but unfortunately, its a no go for me due to the azz beating I have taken in the stock market and trying to buy a house at the same time.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1062777&page=4

[rmk]

Thought I would revive this thread as I am so impressed with these speakers for HT and music that I'd like to help JTR get the word out. I received an email from Jeff Periman (JTR owner) today indicating a new smaller Triple 8 HT speaker will be coming out soon and he is offering a nice discount for pre orders.

I am waiting for the details on some new surrounds Jeff will also be introducing in the next month or so. I have owned and heard some of the best loudspeakers available at any price and IMO, the JTR's can hold their own in terms of dynamics and sound quality with the best of them.

Here (again:p) is my front stage with the JTR Triple 12LF's as LCR's. I added grill covers making them a little less intimidating but they would be a very tough sell to a woman in a non-dedicated space;).

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n86/rmk_01/009-6.jpg

[bandphan]

Thought I would revive this thread as I am so impressed with these speakers for HT and music that I'd like to help JTR get the word out. I received an email from Jeff Periman (JTR owner) today indicating a new smaller Triple 8 HT speaker will be coming out soon and he is offering a nice discount for pre orders.

I am waiting for the details on some new surrounds Jeff will also be introducing in the next month or so. I have owned and heard some of the best loudspeakers available at any price and IMO, the JTR's can hold their own in terms of dynamics and sound quality with the best of them.

Here (again:p) is my front stage with the JTR Triple 12LF's as LCR's. I added grill covers making them a little less intimidating but they would be a very tough sell to a woman in a non-dedicated space;).

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n86/rmk_01/009-6.jpg

those are some excellent performers:D

[Matt34]

Smaller triple 8? I like the sound of that. I need to start saving money again.

[poutanen]

Now that is a business looking setup! :D There's no question by looking at that pic that you're in it for SQ!!!

[lsiberian]

Smaller triple 8? I like the sound of that. I need to start saving money again.

Nah were gonna have Wmax get you to build some new speakers. :) To go with your 2 additional Kappas. :D

[bandphan]

Smaller triple 8? I like the sound of that. I need to start saving money again.

id agree that even the 8's would be a huge improvement in most all ht applications. I love the coaxial mounted tweeters, reminds me of the old cx DCMs..

[Matt34]

Nah were gonna have Wmax get you to build some new speakers. :) To go with your 2 additional Kappas. :D

He already is building a set for me.;)...but they are for a dedicated 2ch setup. I want these new triple 8 for the HT.

[Highbar]

Smaller triple 8? I like the sound of that. I need to start saving money again.

You are selling off stuff to make the house look good to sell and now you start looking at JTR's??:D They aren't pretty or small. And yet I can't wait to hear them one day. Guess I'm going to have to get a set when I get a place I can put them.

[rmk]

Smaller triple 8? I like the sound of that. I need to start saving money again.

Here are the rough specs and the pre-order deal that expires end of May.

New Triple 8

98db at 1 watt (101db at 2.83volts)

up to 1200 watts program

129db output

80hz - 20khz (+/-3db)

4 ohm impedance

49 lbs

26" x 12" x 12.75"

MSRP $1199 (pre-order $899)

PS. My apologies to Jeff Permanian for destroying his name in an earlier post:o.

[mikeak]

So I asked over a "the other forum" with lots of silence so I thought I would check here. Is anyone using an SC-07 / SC-05 for the JTR speakers Triple 8?

I have the SC-07 and I know all about the stated rating of the Pioneer receiver. I also know all about the number of people driving 4ohm speakers with the receiver (with no problems). I further know more about the audioholics review that stated there were issues with 4ohm speakers :). So I have done as much homework as I can online without testing. Now the question is if anyone actually has one of these specific receivers that based on their THX certification (the SC-07) should be able to drive this speaker and if so how it sounds at or near reference levels with the front 3 being the JTR Triple 8.

Appreciate any input that anyone might have!

[jostenmeat]

So I asked over a "the other forum" with lots of silence so I thought I would check here. Is anyone using an SC-07 / SC-05 for the JTR speakers Triple 8?

I have the SC-07 and I know all about the stated rating of the Pioneer receiver. I also know all about the number of people driving 4ohm speakers with the receiver (with no problems). I further know more about the audioholics review that stated there were issues with 4ohm speakers :). So I have done as much homework as I can online without testing. Now the question is if anyone actually has one of these specific receivers that based on their THX certification (the SC-07) should be able to drive this speaker and if so how it sounds at or near reference levels with the front 3 being the JTR Triple 8.

Appreciate any input that anyone might have!

Best of luck on that, because I don't know of a single soul who is running JTRs with any receiver (be it Onkyo, Denon, Marantz, Yamaha, Sony, whatever) let alone the most specific model of Pioneer SC07. I mean not a soul. Will it work with the receiver? Sure. Will you even get close to what those speakers are capable of? No. Will you care? YMMV. Will everyone recommend that you can an outboard amp for those speakers? Yes.

Perhaps, arguably, the most compelling, or at least most unique, strength of those speakers is the power handling capability. But, they're said to sound very good, so if you're ok with not taking advantage of that certain unique trait, perhaps you can help others with your experiences in running these with a receiver. :)

[mikeak]

Well I got answer from a person using the Denon 4806 and he says they are fantastic.

I am willing to get an amplifier (especially at the Emotiva prices for a 3 channel one), but I would like to wait a little bit. So if I don't get everything out of them in the first 2-3 months that is ok as long as don't mess up my receiver...

So that is why I figured it was at least worth asking

[rolling green]

I don't think it's the receiver you should be worrying about. The speakers have a better chance at getting messed up it your receiver clips. I'm currently waiting for my JTR's (should be here next week) and I bit the bullet and purchased the XPA-3.....if you'll be using an outboard amp in the future, might as well wait instead of risking damage to either your receiver or speakers.

[lsiberian]

So I asked over a "the other forum" with lots of silence so I thought I would check here. Is anyone using an SC-07 / SC-05 for the JTR speakers Triple 8?

I have the SC-07 and I know all about the stated rating of the Pioneer receiver. I also know all about the number of people driving 4ohm speakers with the receiver (with no problems). I further know more about the audioholics review that stated there were issues with 4ohm speakers :). So I have done as much homework as I can online without testing. Now the question is if anyone actually has one of these specific receivers that based on their THX certification (the SC-07) should be able to drive this speaker and if so how it sounds at or near reference levels with the front 3 being the JTR Triple 8.

Appreciate any input that anyone might have!

These are pro-audio speakers for the love of mankind please drive them with a pro-audio amp. If you have the funds I suggest a Yamaha 2500 power amp because it's ultra quiet. Pick up a pair of those and you can drive your speakers. If it's too pricey you can take your luck at the A 500 from behringer.

I don't think it's the receiver you should be worrying about. The speakers have a better chance at getting messed up it your receiver clips. I'm currently waiting for my JTR's (should be here next week) and I bit the bullet and purchased the XPA-3.....if you'll be using an outboard amp in the future, might as well wait instead of risking damage to either your receiver or speakers.

The XPA-3 wouldn't make me comfortable with these speakers, but it's an option if aesthetics are highly valued. I doubt you could do any damage to the speakers with a receiver. But you could blow a receiver with them for sure.

[mikeak]

Thanks for the advice and the specific amplifiers.

May I ask why you would suggest the 500 behringer at 2 channels by 230Watt per channel compared to the Emotiva with 3 channels at 300 watt per channel?

The Beringer would be a cheaper option for me so no issues with the price, but just wondering since you say you wouldn't trust Emotiva....

[Matt34]

Thanks for the advice and the specific amplifiers.

May I ask why you would suggest the 500 behringer at 2 channels by 230Watt per channel compared to the Emotiva with 3 channels at 300 watt per channel?

The Beringer would be a cheaper option for me so no issues with the price, but just wondering since you say you wouldn't trust Emotiva....

If the extra cost isn't that big of factor, get the Emotiva or get the EP2500. I would stay away from the A500, I had one for a week before it started hissing then a week later the left channel died on me. There is a known issue with distortion through the gain controls.

[rolling green]

The XPA-3 wouldn't make me comfortable with these speakers, but it's an option if aesthetics are highly valued.

Much respect for your knowledge lsiberian, can you please elaborate why you would not be comfortable with this set up? Is there a non-pro amp you would be comfortable with? This is for a living area setup with mostly TV viewing, 2 channel music and some HT so aesthetics and fan noise are important too. I do have a chance to unload the XPA-3 so the more information the better. TIA

[mr L]

Talk about some loud sounds!

[rman222]

Much respect for your knowledge lsiberian, can you please elaborate why you would not be comfortable with this set up? Is there a non-pro amp you would be comfortable with? This is for a living area setup with mostly TV viewing, 2 channel music and some HT so aesthetics and fan noise are important too. I do have a chance to unload the XPA-3 so the more information the better. TIA

Hi,
Personally I think you would be just fine with the XPA-3. I'm driving 3 Triple 8s (2010 version) with Marantz MA700 monoblocks.. those are 200 watts at 8 ohms and 300 at 4ohns so very comparable to the XPA-3. The marantz drive the t8s comfortable to as loud as I ever want with lots of ease in a 2700 cu ft dedicated room. The very high sensitivy of the JTRs lets you go plenty loud IMHO.
Joe H

[jedirun]

Much respect for your knowledge lsiberian, can you please elaborate why you would not be comfortable with this set up? Is there a non-pro amp you would be comfortable with? This is for a living area setup with mostly TV viewing, 2 channel music and some HT so aesthetics and fan noise are important too. I do have a chance to unload the XPA-3 so the more information the better. TIA

I am driving my 2010 Triple 8's with Audiosource Amp 300's. These are relatively low end comercial amps rated at 235 watts at 4 ohms. In my relatively small room it is the best souding system I have heard. Based on the math, I can hit reference level with one Triple 8 and 40 watts at my listening position, so I do not see any reason why you would have to go to a pro amp. If aesthetics and fan noise are an issue, there is no reason not to use the Emotiva over a pro amp. Many are powering these with home theater receivers and getting great results.

[lsiberian]

Much respect for your knowledge lsiberian, can you please elaborate why you would not be comfortable with this set up? Is there a non-pro amp you would be comfortable with? This is for a living area setup with mostly TV viewing, 2 channel music and some HT so aesthetics and fan noise are important too. I do have a chance to unload the XPA-3 so the more information the better. TIA

It would be fine. I just never like the idea of driving pro speakers with consumer level amps.

[rmk]

I am driving my 2010 Triple 8's with Audiosource Amp 300's. These are relatively low end comercial amps rated at 235 watts at 4 ohms. In my relatively small room it is the best souding system I have heard. Based on the math, I can hit reference level with one Triple 8 and 40 watts at my listening position, so I do not see any reason why you would have to go to a pro amp. If aesthetics and fan noise are an issue, there is no reason not to use the Emotiva over a pro amp. Many are powering these with home theater receivers and getting great results.

Agreed,

The pro vs. consumer amp is non-issue. It's all about having the power to drive the speakers to you preferred levels. I am driving 3 Triple 12LF's and 2 Triple 8's with a Sunfire (commercial) amp and it does the job.

Pro amps are fine if the fan noise and aesthitic issues don't bother you. I would need at least 4 pro amps (I'm about to add SB channels) to replace the Sunfire. Thats a lot of fans and heat ....