Can subwoofer upgrade overall sound??

maximoiglesias

maximoiglesias

Audioholic
By upgrading to a better subwoofer means that your overall sound will upgrade too?? Specially music.

Would like to know before spending on a better sub (Klipsch RW-10)
 
croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
Yes! Take my word for it. I used to have a PSW-650 and upgraded to an SVS PB13-Ultra. It lifted me to a much higher (or should I say lower :D) level over all. Any of the musical impact comes mostly from the sub region. It also depends on what you are changing from/to. If there is not a huge difference in overall frequency response or power output/quality of build, then you may not notice much of a difference.
 
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tcarcio

Audioholic General
As a rule it will be better but it really depends on alot more than just a better sub such as room acoustics and placement.
 
croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
Good room acoustics plus crap sub=crap bass. Room acoustics do have an impact, but you won't get good sound without good speakers to start with. Now what one considers good is what this hobby is all about!
 
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tcarcio

Audioholic General
Good room acoustics plus crap sub=crap bass. Room acoustics do have an impact, but you won't get good sound without good speakers to start with. Now what one considers good is what this hobby is all about!
I agree but you could also say good speakers and bad room acoustics =crap sound. The OP could find that some minor experimenting with placement might make the sub he has sound better but I do agree if you can afford to buy a better sub then go for it and then experiment.:)
 
maximoiglesias

maximoiglesias

Audioholic
Passive vs active

My actual sub as you can see in my signature is a Pyle 10" very old passive sub, I have no idea of the specifications, powered by a vintage Nec integrated amplifier (75w/ch/rms) in mono mode.
The Klipsch RW-10 is powered by a 260 watts continouos amp and it goes down to 25HZ.
 
croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
My actual sub as you can see in my signature is a Pyle 10" very old passive sub, I have no idea of the specifications, powered by a vintage Nec integrated amplifier (75w/ch/rms) in mono mode.
The Klipsch RW-10 is powered by a 260 watts continouos amp and it goes down to 25HZ.
Unless you have really bad room acoustics (generally from a strangely shaped room, or very poorly damped) I wouldn't worry too much. All things being equal, you will hear an improvement in bass/sound quality going to a better subwoofer.

Seeing the increase in power you are talking about should get you louder bass potentially, but the quality of sound will be based on proper set-up (calibration), placement, and room effect, and the other stuff I said in the earlier post. Many people experience gains or nulls of certain frequncies due to the size/shape of the room, so yes, that too will have an effect.

Many people tend to try and set up their sub by ear, and that almost always ends up causing the sub to run louder than if it were properly calibrated (using a good test disc and SPL meter).

As I said too, I noticed a dramatic improvement in overal SQ with my Ultra. Proper bass levels will also affect the mid and treble frequncies of your system. For me the overall effect was a very pleasing improvement.
 
croseiv

croseiv

Audioholic Samurai
Also, if you have not tried properly calibrating your current sub you could first experiment with that. From the sound of your first post though, something has you desiring a new sub though...:)
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
Also, if you have not tried properly calibrating your current sub you could first experiment with that.
Excellent suggestion!

I just wanted to add my vote for "yes!" a better sub can definitely improve the overall experience. I don't listen to much two-channel music on my system, but with movies and live concert DVDs, I noticed a HUGE improvement when I went from my B&W sub to my SVS Ultra. Huge. Now, I do believe that some of that was due to the Ultra's ability to get a flatter frequency response because of some equalization capability on the built-in amp. If I had an external equalizer for the B&W, I do think that it would have sounded better. However, the B&W simply cannot go as low as the Ultra. It was dropping off around 25Hz, and the Ultra was still going down past 16Hz (the lowest test tone frequency that I had). For music, you don't need that low - but the flatter response would be a good thing.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
As a rule it will be better but it really depends on alot more than just a better sub such as room acoustics and placement.
For subwoofers it's mainly placement. Unless he's willing to put 8inch traps in the corners, the small wall traps won't do squat.

Placement is key, and like boobies, subwoofers should come in pairs.

SheepStar
 
maximoiglesias

maximoiglesias

Audioholic
Save your cash on the Klipsch. What price, or budget are you working with?
It is a mixture of budget and availability. Not many subs are available for sale in my country, specially in the US$400.00 price range (Yes, a Klipsch RW-10 costs US$425.00 in my country!!!!) So my options are very limited.
maybe I should readdress my question and ask.....will the RW-10 upgrade the overall sound of my system?? Will I notice a difference??
 
maximoiglesias

maximoiglesias

Audioholic
Agreed. You'll need a better sub to get a major improvement.
Is the RW-10 so bad???

How come Playback Magazine has it (the RW-10), along with the RF-52s, as the best HT set of speakers under 1.5K??????????? The review of this mentioned system is very very good. Something funny here??
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Is the RW-10 so bad???

How come Playback Magazine has it (the RW-10), along with the RF-52s, as the best HT set of speakers under 1.5K??????????? The review of this mentioned system is very very good. Something funny here??
Yep, the Magazine.

SheepStar
 
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allargon

Audioholic General
Yep, the Magazine.

SheepStar
Playback Magazine used to be the Perfect Vision. They give excellent movie reviews, IMHO. They are better as far as content than any other tech magazine on the 'net (including High Def Digest, AVS, etc.). However, their equipment reviews always leave me scratching my head as they will often make glaring misstatements such as one stating that the DirectTV HR21 cannot use an external HD -- http://magazine.playbackmag.net/playback/200809/. :eek:
 
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