Finally hooked up my Aperions

[Neijii]

Well, I finally hooked up the Aperions..didn't hook the sub up yet...Since they're the smaller bookshelf, I'm not sure how full it's supposed to sound in a 15'x15' room...it sounds clear, but not really powerful..maybe once I hook the sub up the entire feeling will change.

[mazersteven]

With any speaker the sound will change when a subwoofer is added. But what is your impressions of the speakers themselves?

[Neijii]

To be honest..somewhat disappointed. I was playing a blu ray movie and it did sound CLEAR..but just not so full.

[MinusTheBear]

To be honest..somewhat disappointed. I was playing a blu ray movie and it did sound CLEAR..but just not so full.

Get the subwoofer hooked up ASAP!

[Neijii]

Yea, I figured you can't have an insane amount of sound coming out of a small speaker...

As far as the sub..I don't have a damn RCA stereo wire, so I'll hook that up tomorrow then update my review.

[mazersteven]

I don't have a damn RCA stereo wire, so I'll hook that up tomorrow

While your at it. Get a Sound Level Meter also. If you don't already have one.

http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103668&cp=2032057.2032187.2032193.2032222&parentPage=family

[Neijii]

Awesome, thanks!

[MinusTheBear]

Yea, I figured you can't have an insane amount of sound coming out of a small speaker...

As far as the sub..I don't have a damn RCA stereo wire, so I'll hook that up tomorrow then update my review.

Once you get your subwoofer hooked up you should notice a huge difference.

I would reccommend if you do not have an SPL meter, maybe think about picking one of those up. Calibrating your speakers and doing it accurately will make your speakers sound way better.

Edit: Mazer beat me to it:):):)

[Neijii]

Yea..i ran the auto equilizer thing on the receiver where i plugged in the mic and brought it to where i sit and it did some weird sound wave stuff..sounded a bit better after it did that.

[TLS Guy]

Well, I finally hooked up the Aperions..didn't hook the sub up yet...Since they're the smaller bookshelf, I'm not sure how full it's supposed to sound in a 15'x15' room...it sounds clear, but not really powerful..maybe once I hook the sub up the entire feeling will change.

Those 4Bs are satellite speakers. They have four inch woofers, which in those cabinets give an F3 of 120Hz. So they will sound thin and miserable without a sub. You will have to set the crossover at 120 Hz. Unless your sub is right by one of the speakers, you will be aware of the sub. You really need two subs for those with each speaker on top of the sub.

Honestly a speaker like that is not very useful. To be used properly with a sub a speaker needs an F3 of at least 80 Hz.

[Stripes]

Move the 4B's to the back, and get the 5B's or 6B's in the Front.

[jostenmeat]

I just briefly researched these recently for someone at a different forum. They have very low sensitivity. Just an FYI. It looks like 84db for the 4b/5b and absurdly low at 82 db for the 6b.

Im sure they sound great, especially with a decent amp, but for HT reference levels I would most definitely look elsewhere unless you are going to have oodles of amp.

The other brand I think of with low sens is Totem, but 82 db is the lowest I've ever seen with modern affordable speakers.

[3db]

I just briefly researched these recently for someone at a different forum. They have very low sensitivity. Just an FYI. It looks like 84db for the 4b/5b and absurdly low at 82 db for the 6b.

Im sure they sound great, especially with a decent amp, but for HT reference levels I would most definitely look elsewhere unless you are going to have oodles of amp.

The other brand I think of with low sens is Totem, but 82 db is the lowest I've ever seen with modern affordable speakers.

Yep, Alot of the Totems are inefficient but mated to the right amp/receiver, wow can they ever sing!! :)

[TLS Guy]

I just briefly researched these recently for someone at a different forum. They have very low sensitivity. Just an FYI. It looks like 84db for the 4b/5b and absurdly low at 82 db for the 6b.

Im sure they sound great, especially with a decent amp, but for HT reference levels I would most definitely look elsewhere unless you are going to have oodles of amp.

The other brand I think of with low sens is Totem, but 82 db is the lowest I've ever seen with modern affordable speakers.

Apart from the low sensitivity, the reel 3db point being right up at 120 Hz makes them pretty useless. They will take four times the amp power as a as an 88db 1 watt I meter speaker for the same spl.

I have trouble seeing the point of putting a speaker like that together. It seems like a flagrant waste of the Earth's resources to me.

[mazersteven]

The OP must feel great about his purchase after reading these posts. :rolleyes:

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Well, I love big full-range towers, but my first system was the NHT SuperZero monitors + SW2P 10" 80-watt Subwoofer. I thought it sounded great as long as the subwoofer was on. With the subwoofer off, it still sound great and very clear. Of course, there was no bass, but it should still sound clear, not muddy.

Maybe there are other things to consider. Like speaker placement? Room acoustics?

Well, I guess the good thing with Aperion is that you can return those speakers with free shipping back to them if it does not work out. Good luck.

From looking at the Aperion B4 frequency graph, it appears the frequency response on-axis is 100 Hz - 20 kHz +/- 3dB @ 85 dB w/m, and the minimal impedance is 7 ohms.

[Neijii]

Yea...feel AWESOME! lol

Well, it's in my bedroom, and as far as moving the 4Bs to the back and get the 5Bs to the front..if money weren't an issue, then sure lol.

Still debating whether or not I want ot keep these. I'm trying to get my Dayton sub to work..not sure what's wrong with it..it's all crackly.

As far as me getting different speakers..for around $130 a speaker, which these cost..anything a little more full in sound.

Also..I don't have an amp..just the receiver in my signature.

EDIT: Actually..lets say $200 a speaker..and in the $150 price range..a smaller sub.. The Dayton Sub is really too big for my room..since I run a gym..I'll hook this up in the cardio class room and write myself out a check :D

[mazersteven]

EDIT: Actually..lets say $200 a speaker..and in the $150 price range..a smaller sub.. The Dayton Sub is really too big for my room..

If you can wait just a little longer. I'm sure these speakers will go on sale for X-Mas. I would be shocked if you didn't like these.

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http://av123.com/component/option,com_virtuemart/page,shop.browse/category_id,21/Itemid,37/

[Neijii]

How is the Usher S-520? I can get it for $420 for the pair...

And as far as a sub..anything more SLIM than the Dayton I bought..it's a beast.

[mazersteven]

How is the Usher S-520? I can get it for $420 for the pair...

And as far as a sub..anything more SLIM than the Dayton I bought..it's a beast.

The Ushers are very nice. Excellent tweeter. Need a good subwoofer with them.

I'm going to make a suggestion. Since you have about $550 to spend. How about purchasing a pair of towers, and holding off on the sub until funds are available to purchase a quality sub?

[Neijii]

I can't put speakers on the side of my TV because of my door...that's the problem. I really don't have room for towers..I have these speakers on stands in front of my TV pretty much...so unless I can get short towers that can be placed on my component console which is very long and short, I can't do towers.

[mazersteven]

I can't put speakers on the side of my TV because of my door...that's the problem. I really don't have room for towers...

Sorry I forgot about the doors. :(

[Neijii]

Here is the setup right now..and I left the Door OPEN to show you can't can't mount or put speakers on the side..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/Ripped85/0911082233.jpg

[TLS Guy]

Here is the setup right now..and I left the Door OPEN to show you can't can't mount or put speakers on the side..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v605/Ripped85/0911082233.jpg

I think you would have room for these (http://www.partsexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&Partnumber=302-950). The F3 point is one and a half octaves below your Aperions.

May be an SVS cylinder sub (http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-pcpow3.cfm) would do the trick for you.

[Neijii]

Yea, you're blowing my budget out of the water haha..

Looking at around $450-500

[TLS Guy]

Yea, you're blowing my budget out of the water haha..

Looking at around $450-500

Just buy the two fronts then. With an F3 in the low forties you will be fine with no sub or the one you have got. The crackling is likely a bad connection.

[Neijii]

Those are a bit pricey..how do they compare to the Usher S520? Those I can get for $420 a pair..

[jamie2112]

The Ushers are very nice and sound great. I would go for the Usher myself but I like Ushers.......:D

[Neijii]

Actually..as far as towers go..for around $220-250 each..are there any out there worthy of looking at?

[TLS Guy]

Those are a bit pricey..how do they compare to the Usher S520? Those I can get for $420 a pair..

The speakers are very similar. If you can get those for $420 it is probably a good deal. F3 is a little higher, but I bet the sound will be similar.

[jamie2112]

Check out the Jamo S606. They can be had for 450 to 500 a pair. There is a pair on audiogon right now for 379..

[Neijii]

The Jamos look beautiful but are too big for sure.

Yea, I think I'll end up with the Ushers...

I must say, this site is way friendlier than AVS...you guys give real help...on that site I was told you remodel my bedroom to help the sound lol.

[jostenmeat]

I skimmed quickly, and forgive me for not finding it, but what are the dimensions of your room?

You are sitting dead-on to tv, but pretty much at the back wall (bed)?

I have a wacky idea of sorts for you. Depending on the room and setup, how about some plant hangers? The type that go on the ceiling? Would it work if you had one hang closer to you, right of the right-door? (some space away from right wall would be nice).

Its an idea, and I've heard it worked really well for someone else. ;)

I guess the problem is that its hard to experiment with exact angles, unless you have two foot-stools and two very patient friends! :p

[Neijii]

Well the ONLY other place I can put them would be ABOVE the TV on the wall.

My room is roughly 15'x15'

I either sit about 3' from the right speaker which is where my comp chair is or on my bed which is about 8' from the speakers.

[Neijii]

I realized, I spent roughly $500 on 2 fronts + sub..so for $500, are there any bookshelf speakers worth getting that don't need a sub..or am I better getting cheaper + sub?

Maybe Usher S520...note: I watch a lot of action movies..lol

[mazersteven]

are there any bookshelf speakers worth getting that don't need a sub..or am I better getting cheaper + sub?

Polk LSi9's are an excellent bookshelf speaker with surprising low end. You can score a set of pre-owned or sometimes they go on sale for $500 a pair. They are 4ohm speakers.

[Neijii]

Wow man, you're on top of these posts..thanks alot buddy. Gonna check them out now, really not a fan of pre-owned though..I like warranties and stuff.

[mazersteven]

Wow man, you're on top of these posts..thanks alot buddy. Gonna check them out now, really not a fan of pre-owned though..I like warranties and stuff.

http://www.polkaudio.com/homeaudio/products/bookshelf/individual/lsi9/

[Neijii]

I found one guy selling for $550 but it had knicks on it and he's had it for a while...

I'd definitely consider finding one of these...any other options out there?

So far I'm going to consider the LSi9 and the Usher S520.

Also, for my budget, how are those Wharfedale speakers...

My thing now is, do I spend $500 on 2 speakers or 2 speakers + sub..I'd rather go with 2 better sounding speakers if possible.

[rnatalli]

The Aperions are easily returned so no big deal if you don't like them. Check out the Mirage Omni speakers as they throw a large amount of sound.

[Neijii]

I heard really mixed reviews on those..

[rnatalli]

I heard really mixed reviews on those..

Omni sound isn't for everyone, but if you like lots of sound all over, they're tough to beat. They won't image as precisely as a typical direct speaker, but they're not terrible at it either. If you have a BB with Magnolia nearby, it wouldn't hurt to give them a listen.

[DMD123]

Neijii,

I had the Aperion 6T and 6C (Aperion's top of the line) and just did not find the impact I wanted in my movies. For music they were nice and smooth. But my speakers are double duty.

I do say that the customer service at Aperion was outstanding, the build quality was excellent but it just was not quite the sound I needed. They gave me no problems with the return.

My final choice: Revel Concerta F12 Towers, C12 Center, S12 Surrounds.

I have been very happy with the Revels and they make a small M12 monitor you might like. (well not that small)

There are lots to choose from out there, just be patient and listen. I have heard very good things about the Ushers

[Neijii]

Yea, I live in NYC so I have to find a good place to go listen...anyone know of any good places..I'm in Staten Island if anyone knows where that i slol.

[Neijii]

OK..those Jamo S606 would FIT in my room right in front of the TV really well..

They would be $430 with shipping..demo model with about 200 hours on them, mint condition.

OK..So far:

Usher S520
Jamo S606
I can get floor standing speakers that are no higher than 42"...and within the $500 range..any new recommendations?