How does this sound?

[notsonoob]

I am upgrading from Sony HTIB to a nice HT to go in my new house. I did not know much about technical details of AVR, speakers, sub etc but about a month of reading on this forum taught me a lot. The best thing this forum has done for me is to sway me clear of Bose.

After reading lot of reviews and discussion forums i have come down to a list for which i need some advice. I need help from audio gurus here to provide me expert suggestions. Thanks in advance.

Something about me:

60% Satellite TV (mostly HD Sports) 30% movies, 10%music, i am sure my music time will go up once i have a new set up

42" Plasma - planning to upgrade to 65" in a year

Wife doesn't want clutter of speakers

About 250sq ft living room which opens to kitchen.

Room pre wired for surround speakers on ceiling

$1500 budget

I went to best buy and heard lot of demos in the magnolia theater.

I have come down to following package:
Yamaha V663
Klipsch Quintet III or Klipsch SL
Klipsch 12" subwoofer

The package price in Best Buy is 1195 with Quintet III and 1495 with SL.

I know SL are better than III series but i like smaller size of III as i can mount them on celing.

My questions:

How do you like this set up for the price?

Are SL really worth the price difference and for me accepting the bigger size?

Is Yamaha V663 ready for future expansion?

Is the price right?

Which is the best place to buy this set up?

Any other set up for the price and small design of speakers?

You guys are really doing a great job in educating noobs like me and preventing us from falling into marketing traps of devils like Bose, monster etc.

[Nuance AH]

There is better for the price, IMO.

Must you chose from those packages?

[mazersteven]

IMO if I was going to spend approximately $1000 bucks on a system. And was going to mount speakers from mounts. I would choose this system over what you posted.

IMO this system will offer better performance, and sound quality over the Klipsch system. Also the subwoofer IMO hands down out performs the Klipsch. I would also inquire with SVS about which subwoofer they recommend for your rooms volume. Excellent Customer Service.

SVS SBS-01 system
http://www.svsound.com/products-sys-sbs_black.cfm

You can purchase the mounts also

OmniMount 20.0 Wall and Ceiling Brackets
http://www.svsound.com/products-parts-bracket.cfm

http://www.svsound.com/products/speakers/sbs01/lg_new-narrow-new-woofer-bl.jpg

Cables & Interconnects

www.bluejeanscable.com
www.monoprice.com

[notsonoob]

There is better for the price, IMO.

Must you chose from those packages?

No, I am open to all suggestions, i came down to this list reading reviews on this forum. Please advise.

[Adam]

That Yamaha has gotten good reviews and seems like a nice unit. One thing to consider is that it only has two HDMI inputs. You can always add an external HDMI switcher, but it's something to consider.

In that price range for receivers, I'd suggest that you also consider the Onkyo TX-SR606 and the Pioneer VSX-1018AH. Best Buy carries the Pioneer, but not (I don't think) the Onkyo - you can check that out at Circuit City.

You can definitely find all three of those receivers for cheaper online. You can always ask Best Buy or Circuit City to price match. They may, they may not. They did for me, and it never hurts to ask.

[notsonoob]

[QUOTE=mazersteven;453911]IMO if I was going to spend approximately $1000 bucks on a system. And was going to mount speakers from mounts. I would choose this system over what you posted.

IMO this system will offer better performance, and sound quality over the Klipsch system. Also the subwoofer IMO hands down out performs the Klipsch. I would also inquire with SVS about which subwoofer they recommend for your rooms volume. Excellent Customer Service.



To be honest, i never heard of SVS speakers before, but i just read the reviews, seems like a great deal for 1000 bucks. Though thier size and being a bookshelf design does not attract me.

BTW where can i find SVS? i know Best buy doesnt carry them.

[Adam]

For new SVS products, you can only buy directly from SVS at svsound.com.

[Nuance AH]

I too think that SVS system will do you good, plus that sub will destroy the Klipsch unit.

I also recommend the 170SE package from Ascend Acoustics. It totals up to be $788 plus $56 for shipping. That leaves you room for a quality subwoofer from SVS, HSU, Elemental Designs or AV123, plus enough cash for a receiver (Pioneer, Onkyo or the new Yamaha's are great choices).

Other sites to check out are AV123 and Aperion Audio. They both have a number of smaller bookshelf packages within your price range.

AV123, Aperion Audio and Ascend Acoustcs are Internet Direct companies, so you cannot audition before you purchase. However, they do offer a 30 day in-home trial period, so if you don't like them you can just send them back for a full refund.

Klipsch is a "love it or hate" sound. However, if you like them, go for it. Only your opinion matters.

Good luck.

[Joe Schmoe]

Here is a really nice system that is currently half price:http://www.wildwestelectronics.net/moshmospsy30.html.
(The site has a few other MS systems, as well.)

[notsonoob]

Seems like people here prefer SVS over Klipsch, now is it because of bigger bang for a buck or un-satisfactorily performance of Klipsch?

For me, aesthetics and looks are also a big factors (obvioulsy performance too) due to my better half. Anything against Klipsch SL?

Also guys, please provide me input on Yamaha V663, is it a good choice for a price except it having only 2 HDMI ports (i am not into gaming, Sat and DVD will do for me)

[Stripes]

Seems like people here prefer SVS over Klipsch, now is it because of bigger bang for a buck or un-satisfactorily performance of Klipsch?

For me, aesthetics and looks are also a big factors (obvioulsy performance too) due to my better half. Anything against Klipsch SL?

Also guys, please provide me input on Yamaha V663, is it a good choice for a price except it having only 2 HDMI ports (i am not into gaming, Sat and DVD will do for me)

I used to be an owner of the Klipsch Synergy line, which is a bigger version of the Quintet line. "IMO" Your going to get very small sound from the Quintet and Klipsch Subs are sloppy and overpriced.

Think about like this: Klipsch supplies Best Buy and countless other stores these stores have to make money so your being charged to buy from Klipsch and Best Buy.

With Trusted internet companies such as SVS you know your getting a premium product without a ton of markup. "AKA" more bang for your buck, I can promise that you will be glad you went with SVS instead of Klipsch.
And if you dont like the speakers (very doubtful) you can always send them back within 30 days.

As far as the reciever the the Yamaha or the Onkyo is a solid bet, but I would go with the Yamaha if it were me.

[notsonoob]

Ok guys i get it, that SVS are far superior than Klipsch in performance, but WAF is a big factor for me....

I just read Tom Andry's detail review on SBS-01 and i know its gonna fail WAF due to thier size. If i had rear projection tv, it would have been different story, i want something to go along with my 42" plasma.

Is there any other satellite style or smaller size speaker system which will fulfill my needs for the price?
Thanks

[Stripes]

Have you thought about on wall speakers, or a soundbar?

[Stripes]

Check this out, this will def meet the WAF factor, and there are a lot of options to choose from, this is just a sample so check out the rest of the site.

http://www.orbaudio.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=32

[notsonoob]

Check this out, this will def meet the WAF factor, and there are a lot of options to choose from, this is just a sample so check out the rest of the site.

http://www.orbaudio.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=32


Now this is whole new story......but do they perform better than Klipsch SL or Synergy III as the price is comparable? I was going for 12" Klipsch sub, ORB comes with 8", is it good enough?

[mazersteven]

but WAF is a big factor for me....

Wives come, and go. But speakers last forever. Find another wife. ;)

And if the wife is that much of a factor. Buy Bose. :rolleyes:

[mazersteven]

Now this is whole new story......but do they perform better than Klipsch SL or Synergy III as the price is comparable? I was going for 12" Klipsch sub, ORB comes with 8", is it good enough?

The Klipsch, and Orb subwoofers suck. Period!!!

Klipsch Synergy series. I would rather listen to nails down a blackboard.

[calnbs]

How about these guys: HSU Research. Well respected ID speakers as well along with SVS.

http://hsuresearch.com/packages.html

[mazersteven]

How about these guys: HSU Research. Well respected ID speakers as well along with SVS.

http://hsuresearch.com/packages.html

He is saying that the SVS don't pass the WAF. How are these going to pass? :eek:

[notsonoob]

Wives come, and go. But speakers last forever. Find another wife. ;)

And if the wife is that much of a factor. Buy Bose. :rolleyes:

If i leave wife, house goes along with her.........and i am back in apartment and then i ll go for big a** towers......why settle for SVS bookshelves ;)

dont push me back to bose, i d rather use my old sony HTIB.....

[notsonoob]

The Klipsch, and Orb subwoofers suck. Period!!!

Klipsch Synergy series. I would rather listen to nails down a blackboard.

Any Klipsch loyal for the rescue??????

[gus6464]

Any Klipsch loyal for the rescue??????

Check these out
http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/xl-23.aspx

They resemble the new WF-35 series which I really like. The floorstander in the XF series is actually powered which is a plus and have good WAF as they are slim towers. If you can't upgrade to these IMO the SVS SBS-01 is a better value than the Quintets. But whatever you do go for the SVS sub and maybe upgrade to PB12-NSD if you go for the full SVS package.

[Adam]

Any Klipsch loyal for the rescue??????

In your first post, you said that you heard a lot of demos and narrowed your choices down to the Klipsch. That led me to think that you liked them. As has been mentioned, that's all that matters (well, that and if your wife likes them :)). Some people really like Klipsch. Some people really don't like them. We can give you suggestions about speakers that we think are good performers for the price, as well as throw out some brands and models that you might not have heard of. However, we can't tell you what you are going to like. One big recommendation is to audition as many speakers as you practically can (or, just however many you want to before you get tired of it). It sounds like you have done some of that already. You could always try out the SVS, Hsu, and/or Orb speakers if you want. You could also bring the Klipsch home and try them out for 30 days (assuming that Best Buy hasn't changed its return policy) - if you don't like them, return them. If you do like them - the search is over!

[Stripes]

Get the orb speakers and opt for a different sub, like the Hsu or SVS.

But if you are truly happy with the Klipsch and they meet all your needs then go for it. Its going to be an improvement over the HITB by far.

[calnbs]

Completely agree with adam, we are just throwing you options to look at. In the end, GO WITH what YOU LIKE. If Klipsch are the ONE for you. They are the ONE.

[notsonoob]

I really appreciate the expert advise from all of you guys.........so the verdict is......i am going to buy Klipsch SL with 12" sub from best buy this weekend......and try it at home..........i am also inclined towards ordering SVS and demo them side by side with my kinda music and movies....as i can always return either one within 30 days.....i know best buy will take them back....dont know how much return shipping will cost me sending SVS back....

[gus6464]

I really appreciate the expert advise from all of you guys.........so the verdict is......i am going to buy Klipsch SL with 12" sub from best buy this weekend......and try it at home..........i am also inclined towards ordering SVS and demo them side by side with my kinda music and movies....as i can always return either one within 30 days.....i know best buy will take them back....dont know how much return shipping will cost me sending SVS back....

IMO do not buy the Klipsch sub. If anything order a PB10 from SVS or a PB12 if you can. I have only heard one good Klipsch sub and that is the one from their THX line.

[adwilk]

Any Klipsch loyal for the rescue??????

Alright, I'll chime in. I'm a klipsch fan.. just not so much of the quintets and certainly not their synergy subs... The synergy sub is one of the most "boomy" subs i've ever heard... avoid that one like the plague. To be fair, the reference subs are actually pretty good but a little overpriced. The svs or hsu sub will be your best bet here. as far as the other five speakers go, I dont think you'll be disappointed with the quintets.. they are decent for movies but you'll run out of headroom pretty quick...

heres my suggestion...

If the wifey approves..

2 Pair of these guys (http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/rb-10.aspx)

One of these... (http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/rc-10.aspx)

The bookshelves can be picked up for 250 a pair and the center for 179.

If Best Buy has these lying around you can get them real cheap because they are closing out their reference line.

The reference line will destroy the quintets.. i mean absolutely destroy them. The RB10 is a great little speaker. I really do think you'd be much happier. Stick with the yammy receiver and pick up an SVS and you're still under budget. IF the wifey doesnt approve, at least get a klipsch speaker with a model number beginning in "R"... the RCX line would be a big upgrade from the quintets or synergy series as well.

Like others have said... Klipsch is love/Hate... I happen to love the sound from their bigger floorstanders but have also made some crossover adjustments to tame the highs and add some midrange for a flatter response. If you like the sound, great, but you do owe it to yourself to try some other options if nothing else but for a point of reference. If you're new, then you're likely to be impressed with klipsch based on their "in your face" approach. Those little speakers pack a lot of "wow" if you're not used to listening to anything other than shelf systems or car audio systems, but it might not turn out to be your favorite.

[DavidJ]

Dude, piece of friendly advice. Get the Klipsch speakers, if you must, but for god's sake, try to get yourself emotionally unhooked from wanting one of their subs too. Why? Because:

1) Everyone who has responded to your thread is dissing the Klipsch subs in favour of an SVS. They're doing this for a reason (sound quality, value for money, and they want you to have a great experience).

2) I have an SVS SB12-Plus. It's amaaaaazing! One of my mates was amazed I'd spent so much - relatively - on one piece of kit. "Bass is just bass", he said, "isn't it?" No mate, it isn't, and the very fact you say that just tells me your sub is a piece of low-end high-street crap - no offense.

There are smaller subs - I think AH reviewed one recently that you may have seen. Keep looking. I even saw a picture recently of one "hidden" beneath a coffee table. Wouldn't be my ideal, but if it's that or nothing, needs must. And you MUST have good bass. So..

Chin up

Powder dry

Klipsch sub bye-bye

[ParadigmDawg]

Maybe he missed my review of the Klipsch sub.

Here it is:

CUTE, I took it back after 2 days.

[mazersteven]

The reference line will destroy the quintets.. i mean absolutely destroy them.

I agree 100%.

[notsonoob]

Alright, I'll chime in. I'm a klipsch fan.. just not so much of the quintets and certainly not their synergy subs... The synergy sub is one of the most "boomy" subs i've ever heard... avoid that one like the plague. To be fair, the reference subs are actually pretty good but a little overpriced. The svs or hsu sub will be your best bet here. as far as the other five speakers go, I dont think you'll be disappointed with the quintets.. they are decent for movies but you'll run out of headroom pretty quick...

heres my suggestion...

If the wifey approves..

2 Pair of these guys (http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/rb-10.aspx)

One of these... (http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/rc-10.aspx)

The bookshelves can be picked up for 250 a pair and the center for 179.

If Best Buy has these lying around you can get them real cheap because they are closing out their reference line.

The reference line will destroy the quintets.. i

Like others have said... Klipsch is love/Hate... .

This is an interesting alternative......speakers are 3" smaller than SVS-SbS01 speakers.....

How does RB-10 compares with SBS01 in terms of performance? I noticed it has narrower frequency response than SBS01 (90hz to 20khz vs 68hz to 20khz),

And where can i pick them up for 250 a pair for front/surround and 179 for center?

MSRP is 269/pair and 219 for center.

[adwilk]

This is an interesting alternative......speakers are 3" smaller than SVS-SbS01 speakers.....

How does RB-10 compares with SBS01 in terms of performance? I noticed it has narrower frequency response than SBS01 (90hz to 20khz vs 68hz to 20khz),

And where can i pick them up for 250 a pair for front/surround and 179 for center?

MSRP is 269/pair and 219 for center.

I would bet things pretty important to me that you get that price if you bought the two pair and the center. I've had buddies get this setup from our local shop and they were more than willing to work on price just to keep him from going to best buy... I really do think you can get them for that. maybe even online as well. The frequency response can be picked up from a good sub...Its more of a sub/sat setup that will require a different xover setting on your receiver than the svs. I've heard both the SVS and the klipsch.. like i said earlier.. i'm a klipsch fan and would probably go with those FOR ME. My initial response was mostly just to get you out of the quintet or synergy line if you decided to go the klipsch route. I cant say it enough.. the quintets and the reference line really dont belong in the same conversation. Thats not to say that klipsch is the end-all route for you to go.. The svs is a GREAT speaker... probably a much better value than the klipsch, IF you prefer the sound. I would spend twice as much on the klipsch to get the same value in a speaker that SVS offers just to get the sound i want. Just dont get a klipsch sub.. :p For the record, i think the WAF will be a little higher with the rb10.. its much smaller...

[notsonoob]

Thanks to adwilk for bringing up nice option: RB-10, these are just an inch deeper and half an inch taller than Quintet III satellite, and according to adwilk and Mazer, pack a bigger punch than Quintet III or SL for almost a same price (BB gives 300 off on package including yamaha, klipsch sl or quintet III and klipsch sub).

This has made me seriously thinking about these tiny bookshelves which i thought i never would. I have to see them first though (ofcourse hear em too)

Let me take a liberty of opening up debate on RB-10 (Front/surround, SVS 12 sub, RC-10 (for center)):

1. Can you guys provide me your 2 cents on this set up: performance, value for price, WAF etc.

2. Should i go for 2 pairs of RB-10 front/rear or a pair of RB-10 and a pair of RS-10 for surrounds.

3. Should i consider SVS sub over Klipsch even if i might get package deal with Klipsch and timbre mismatch (dont even know what it means!!)

4. Where can i find this set up? Brick and mortar store would be great for auditioning, reliable online store for better pricing.

Thanks for your input.

[mazersteven]

3. Should i consider SVS sub over Klipsch even if i might get package deal with Klipsch and timbre mismatch (dont even know what it means!!)

1) There is "no such thing" as Timbre Matching subwoofers to speakers.
2) You've been to numerous times that Klipsch subwoofers lack performance. That the SVS subwoofer will out perform, the Klipsch with tight, controlled, accurate bass.

In other words the Klipsch subwoofer is a noise maker and nothing more.

[flippo]

Mirage is another company to look at

[adwilk]

Thanks to adwilk for bringing up nice option: RB-10, these are just an inch deeper and half an inch taller than Quintet III satellite, and according to adwilk and Mazer, pack a bigger punch than Quintet III or SL for almost a same price (BB gives 300 off on package including yamaha, klipsch sl or quintet III and klipsch sub).

This has made me seriously thinking about these tiny bookshelves which i thought i never would. I have to see them first though (ofcourse hear em too)

Let me take a liberty of opening up debate on RB-10 (Front/surround, SVS 12 sub, RC-10 (for center)):

1. Can you guys provide me your 2 cents on this set up: performance, value for price, WAF etc.

2. Should i go for 2 pairs of RB-10 front/rear or a pair of RB-10 and a pair of RS-10 for surrounds.

3. Should i consider SVS sub over Klipsch even if i might get package deal with Klipsch and timbre mismatch (dont even know what it means!!)

4. Where can i find this set up? Brick and mortar store would be great for auditioning, reliable online store for better pricing.

Thanks for your input.


The setup i heard consisted of 4 rb10's... i thought performance was pretty darn good for the price (value). You could get the surrounds but you're just adding to the price... to be really honest, i'm not sure just how much performance difference you're gonna notice from the surround with the two compression drivers... Some depends on your room. I personally would go with the rb10's all the way around simply for WAF. they are smaller.

I think the 4 bookshelves, the center and the svs would keep you grinning for a long time. NOT WORTH IT TO GET THE KLIPSCH SUB. Get the SVS, seriously. This coming from a guy that had the RW12D and the RT12D. The RW12D is a decent sub. The RT12D is an awesome awesome sub... BUT better performance can be had for about a "G" less. Compared to the Ultra Subs that SVS offers, i dont see why somebody would spend the money for the flagship klipsch unless space and cosmetics were the primary concerns. I cant think of one reason whatsoever to put the synergy sub in your home. It will be well worth the money to get twice or three times the sub. As far as you liking the stuff.... If you liked the quintet stuff at all, i cant imagine you not liking the reference stuff. Like i said earlier, they really dont belong in the same conversation.

[notsonoob]

Help me find a store or online retailer where i can pick this set up:

2 pairs RB-10 (or one pair Rb-10 and one pair RS-10), RC-10 and SVS 12 sub.

for a deal.

the best price i could find is 1095 for a set up including Klipsch RPW-10 sub, but i would prefer SVS as suggested by everyone here.

[Stripes]

Help me find a store or online retailer where i can pick this set up:

2 pairs RB-10 (or one pair Rb-10 and one pair RS-10), RC-10 and SVS 12 sub.

for a deal.

the best price i could find is 1095 for a set up including Klipsch RPW-10 sub, but i would prefer SVS as suggested by everyone here.

http://www.jr.com/category/audio/speakers/n/4294562921/

RB-10's $199.00 a pair
RC-10 $199.00

For the sub you will have to buy direct from Svsound.com or keep checking Audiogon.com for a used one.

[notsonoob]

http://www.jr.com/category/audio/speakers/n/4294562921/

RB-10's $199.00 a pair
RC-10 $199.00

For the sub you will have to buy direct from Svsound.com or keep checking Audiogon.com for a used one.

Nice deal but too bad, available only in NYC stores and not online.

[Adam]

Not as good of prices as at J&R, but Crutchfield carries those speakers. Free shipping on orders over $249, 30-day return period, free return shipping, and an excellent reputation.

[notsonoob]

I went to a local Klipsch authorzied dealer to check out RB-10. The owner, an ex-speaker maker seem very experienced and has all the cool A/V toys in the world, well thats a different story.

He agreed to provide me a package price of $1450 which includes 2 pairs of RB-10, RC-10 and a Velodyne minivee 10. ($650 for speakers and $800 for the sub)

How does this package deal sound to you guys? And what do you think of the minivee 10, it is little cheaper than SVS 12 which everybody recommended in this thread, but could you provide me your opinion about minivee 10?

[mazersteven]

And what do you think of the minivee 10, it is little cheaper than SVS 12 which everybody recommended in this thread, but could you provide me your opinion about minivee 10?

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[notsonoob]

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1. Is it not worth considering?
2. Worth considering its price & size?

Setup will be used mainly for movies, i dont listen to very loud music.

[Adam]

You might want to send a PM to a member here, Chopin_Guy. He recently bought two of the MiniVee 10s...and then sold them within days to get an SVS 16-46 PC-Plus. He seems very happy with the SVS, and seemed pretty disappointed in the MiniVees.

[Chopin_Guy]

Funny that this subject has reared its head again, but I will be happy to give you my impressions notsonoob.

First off, I was trying to make an upgrade from a Velodyne SPL-1500r which is the highest model in the SPL line with 15" driver and auto eq. I was looking for a dual sub setup that would provide more uniform response across the listening area. The two Minivee 10's did indeed provide that evenness, but lacked the impact and depth that I had grown used to with the SPL-15. Also they don't have any EQ which helps immensely in your listening space. All in all this is a simple matter of physics that a 10" driver cannot in any way provide the same response and impact as the 15" (its ability to move air).

I moved in the opposite direction back to a single sub with the huge 16-46 PC + and its sound is enormous and digs very deep. This unit outperforms the SPL-1500r but I also have it mated to a Velodyne SMS-1 bass management system this combination is potent.

Do not get me wrong, the MiniVee 10 does sound good--very tight and clean in its sealed enclosure--but if you are looking for a compact sub I would most certainly choose the SB12 Plus from SVS instead. You gain depth and impact with the 12.3 driver. And don't let the power rating discourage you as the SVS can hang with anything out there. One thing I would do is contact them as they are updating the Plus line with a new 12.4 driver and SVS has said they are expanding the small box sub line in a recent press release.

So give SVS a holler and see what updates or new models they have coming. But you will most certainly be more happy with the SVS given your stated needs and listening habits. This is my two cents worth at least...and I learned the hard way...

[notsonoob]

Funny that this subject has reared its head again, but I will be happy to give you my impressions notsonoob.

First off, I was trying to make an upgrade from a Velodyne SPL-1500r which is the highest model in the SPL line with 15" driver and auto eq. I was looking for a dual sub setup that would provide more uniform response across the listening area. The two Minivee 10's did indeed provide that evenness, but lacked the impact and depth that I had grown used to with the SPL-15. Also they don't have any EQ which helps immensely in your listening space. All in all this is a simple matter of physics that a 10" driver cannot in any way provide the same response and impact as the 15" (its ability to move air).

I moved in the opposite direction back to a single sub with the huge 16-46 PC + and its sound is enormous and digs very deep. This unit outperforms the SPL-1500r but I also have it mated to a Velodyne SMS-1 bass management system this combination is potent.

Do not get me wrong, the MiniVee 10 does sound good--very tight and clean in its sealed enclosure--but if you are looking for a compact sub I would most certainly choose the SB12 Plus from SVS instead. You gain depth and impact with the 12.3 driver. And don't let the power rating discourage you as the SVS can hang with anything out there. One thing I would do is contact them as they are updating the Plus line with a new 12.4 driver and SVS has said they are expanding the small box sub line in a recent press release.

So give SVS a holler and see what updates or new models they have coming. But you will most certainly be more happy with the SVS given your stated needs and listening habits. This is my two cents worth at least...and I learned the hard way...

Thanks for the detailed and informed write up. But do you think your judgement about minivee 10 was made because you downgraded from 15"? Have you got a chance to compare minivee 10 head to head with SPL 12 plus?

[bandphan]

Thanks for the detailed and informed write up. But do you think your judgement about minivee 10 was made because you downgraded from 15"? Have you got a chance to compare minivee 10 head to head with SPL 12 plus?

apples and oranges to compare :rolleyes: The minivee is more of a lifestyle/WAF unit, if you want extension and spl go with the svs, if you want the same with velo go with a dd series sub.

compare some subs here...http://www.avtalk.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=14971&start=0&rid=0&SQ=0

[notsonoob]

On everybody's recommendation here, i am going for RB-10 set up instead of synergy series. But i am concerned about narrow frequency response of RB-10 (90hz to 20khz) & RC-10 (88hz to 20khz), i know those frequencies will be picked up by subwoofer for which i have to set crossover at 90 hz or 100hz. But i heard setting crossover over 80hz is not advisable. Any comments on this?

[Chopin_Guy]

Notsonoob, naturally at some level my judgement was in some part influenced from the fact I went from a the SPL-1500r to dual MiniVee10's...I had grown used to the depth and impact that the SPL-15r had for me. Naturally there are lots of factors that go into the sound quality in your room but the two Minivee10's simply did not compare.

Given what you told me about primarily wanting to use the subwoofer for movies largely and less music listening I would have to recomend the SVS SB12-plus to you still even though I have not heard it myself. Remember I had TWO MiniVee10s and they did not cut it. In my opinion, one would be very disappointing for movie listening.

With the SVS you get a driver more capable of moving larger amounts of air--with the 12.3 driver and a stated lower level of response in the specs if you compare the two. For just one sub in your room and your listening intentions the SVS is most certainly the sub you will want to purchase.

Also, something that I mentioned previously, is the fat that the MiniVee's don't have auto EQ or any type of sound refinement on the unit. This really hampers you from tuning the sound into your room--you would HAVE to connect to something along the lines of a Velodyne SMS-1 to get the best sound out of the unit in your room--and this is another $500-600. With the SVS SB12-plus you also get the advantage of having PEQ on board as well as phase adjustment all of which the Velodyne lack...

Go with the SVS....you will be very happy...

[mazersteven]

On everybody's recommendation here, i am going for RB-10 set up instead of synergy series. But i am concerned about narrow frequency response of RB-10 (90hz to 20khz) & RC-10 (88hz to 20khz), i know those frequencies will be picked up by subwoofer for which i have to set crossover at 90 hz or 100hz. But i heard setting crossover over 80hz is not advisable. Any comments on this?

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Where should Notsonoob set his receiver to crossover to the sub?

http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/rb-10.aspx

[gus6464]

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Where should Notsonoob set his receiver to crossover to the sub?

http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/rb-10.aspx

Maybe 100Hz? Since the F3 given my Klipsch is 90Hz.

[notsonoob]

Maybe 100Hz? Since the F3 given my Klipsch is 90Hz.

Is it alright to set crossover at 100 Hz, as i heard setting over 80 hz is not recommended.

[DavidJ]

Dude, I'm glad I've checked in on you. You haven't yet made an irretrievable mistake by not buying an SB12-Plus.

What can I say? I hear the voices pushing you..

Go with the SVS....you will be very happy...

I would have to recomend the SVS SB12-plus to you still even though I have not heard it myself.

if you want extension and spl go with the svs

..but you're resisting the TRUTH

LOOK at it, man! IT IS A PIECE OF ART!

http://www.svsound.com/sb12plus_grill_comp.jpg

Undressed:

http://www.deephzaudio.com/sb12plus_small_front_wo_grill.jpg

And from behind:

http://www.deephzaudio.com/sb12plus_%20back2_comp.jpg

All those knobs that do stuff!

These guys like it too:

"... SVS has consistently released fantastic products, and this one is no exception ... if you have a limited budget, and yet very much want to have a subwoofer that will just have you running for an air raid shelter ... put the SB12-Plus on your short list."

John Johnson , Secrets of Home Theater and HiFi


"... a small but very well engineered subwoofer.... the SVS was very impressive."

Ken Pohlmann, Sound and Vision Magazine.

"... the SB12 is one of the toughest and most agile small subs that we have ever tested. The SB12 makes it hard for established competitors..."

Audun Hage, Lyd & Bilde, Norway

"... there’s almost something magical about the SB12-Plus. Simply put, it’s just too cool for words...."

Wayne A. Pflughaupt, Home Theater Shack

I bought mine on the basis of reviews alone, having done a LOT of reading. I also thought about AV123 or Velodyne, but settled on the SB12-Plus because it just seemed to have a real edge in terms of performance, value for money, size (i.e., it's not massive) and sheer engineering quality. Reviewers seemed to ooze positivity about it, with very few caveats. See for yourself on SVS site.

To be honest, it was a little more than I originally wanted to spend. The conclusion I drew from the reading I did was that I'd be getting a LOT of bang-for-buck, and I'd therefore need to spend a lot more - perhaps as much as 50% - to step up to the "next level" of noticeable improvement. However, it's a law of diminishing returns, right? So I stretched, and told myself it would be an investment. I've never regretted it, even when I saw one used on a forum for 2/3's the price (yeah, next time I'm buying used if possible).

Dude, I can't say any more to you. Whatever you buy, I really hope you're happy with it. But if you went with the SB12-Plus, and found a single reason to dislike it, I'd stick pins in my eyes for you.. :eek:

[notsonoob]

You guys really helped me change mind on subs........i thought once i get my speakers, i ll place an order for svs sub as it is the most preferred subwoofer by the online audiophile community...but....but...but...

the dealer who was going to get me my Klipsch rb-10's and rc-10 told me he can get only one pair of rb-10 now and for rest i have to wait till november.....NOVEMBER.......

I called about 10 Klipsch dealers within 50 miles where i live, same response......now i am back to square one.....

Please guide me to some other speakers keeping in mind my requirements which were met completly by Klipsch RB-10......performance, looks, WAF

[mazersteven]

Please guide me to some other speakers

Why doesn't anyone want to wait for there speakers? Have you ever heard the expression, "good things come to those who WAIT"? :rolleyes:

By the time you figure out what speakers you want next it will be November.

[Nuance AH]

I am late to the party, but 100Hz will be just fine so long as you have a capable subwoofer.

[notsonoob]

Why doesn't anyone want to wait for there speakers? Have you ever heard the expression, "good things come to those who WAIT"? :rolleyes:

By the time you figure out what speakers you want next it will be November.

Wait for 2 months??? What am i gonna do with Yamaha V663 and Oppo dvd player which should arrive any day now??

[mazersteven]

Wait for 2 months??? What am i gonna do with Yamaha V663 and Oppo dvd player which should arrive any day now??

Send them to me, and I'll keep them warm for you. :eek: :D

[Highbar]

Set the receiver to use just the three front speakers and the sub. You'll love the sound and when the rears come in you'll have a whole new sense of surround. I've gone to just watching movies in stereo with my towers and looking at my little JBLs that hang around my room, I love the sound.

T

[Soundman]

IMO if I was going to spend approximately $1000 bucks on a system. And was going to mount speakers from mounts. I would choose this system over what you posted.

IMO this system will offer better performance, and sound quality over the Klipsch system. Also the subwoofer IMO hands down out performs the Klipsch. I would also inquire with SVS about which subwoofer they recommend for your rooms volume. Excellent Customer Service.

SVS SBS-01 system
http://www.svsound.com/products-sys-sbs_black.cfm

You can purchase the mounts also

OmniMount 20.0 Wall and Ceiling Brackets
http://www.svsound.com/products-parts-bracket.cfm

http://www.svsound.com/products/speakers/sbs01/lg_new-narrow-new-woofer-bl.jpg

Cables & Interconnects

www.bluejeanscable.com
www.monoprice.com

ok, I've read through this thread and honestly, Mazer said it best, this is a great value, given your budget! I understand the WAF issue. I had the same thing happen, but honestly, these SVS speakers aren't nearly as big as some others. My wife wasn't thrilled when I brough home my PB-13 Ultra, but the piano finish grew on her after a while and now she likes the gear. True audioholics always put performance over aestheetics anyway, so just go for it. :D

[notsonoob]

Alright guys let me spin your heads little bit more..........i was at the BB on friday and noticed that they have Klipsch reference series on clearance........they were selling rf-62 for 200 a piece (display stock)......they did not have surround or center channel speaker to go along with it......but the guy gave me addreses of other stores which might have it.......i picked those floor models and brought home......surprisingly my wife liked em.....they are pretty, specially with the grills off!!.......

next day, i went to other BB and exchanged them with brand new pair, still 50% off msrp.

I went to 4 more BB's in 4 different cities and picked up 2-RS42 and a RC52, all at 50% off msrp..........i paid total of about $900 for all 5 speakers......

i know matching center and surround speakers to go with RF-62 are RS-62 and RC-62 but BB does not even have them in thier system and always been selling RF-62 - RS-42 - RC-52 as a package (or so i was told).

What do you guys think about this set up keeping the price i paid........will there be lot of timbre mismatch??