Blu-rays that offer Lossless Audio, ie. DD TrueHD / DTS MA

[BG3]

I've looked through hundreds of threads and didn't see this so, I thought I'd start a thread to list Blu-Rays that feature the lossless audio formats, ie DD TrueHD or DTS MA.

[j_garcia]

That should include lossless PCM. I believe there are already sites that track this info.

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Has anyone actually listened to DTS-MA yet?:D

[j_garcia]

Only in 5.1 for me :D

[Cavediver]

Has anyone actually listened to DTS-MA yet?:D

Many times.

[GlocksRock]

Has anyone actually listened to DTS-MA yet?:D

Not yet, but I would imagine it sounds no differnt than TrueHD or PCM since it's all lossless. I can't wait for the PS3 to get DTS-HD MA decoding so I can rewatch the last Die Hard movie.

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Many times.

Only in 5.1 for me :D

How are you guys getting the DTS-MA?

Panasonic DMP-BD30, Samsung 5000 or 1400?

Hooked to what receiver?

[j_garcia]

PS3 via optical. It will pass the core 5.1 at 1509kbps, so it is not full blown DTS-HD MA. I am waiting for the BD-50 :)

[captiankirk28]

How are you guys getting the DTS-MA?

Panasonic DMP-BD30, Samsung 5000 or 1400?

Hooked to what receiver?
Hi i do with the Samsung BP-1400 hooked to my Pioneer Elite VSX-94 THX, it sounds great!

[Cavediver]

How are you guys getting the DTS-MA?

Panasonic DMP-BD30, Samsung 5000 or 1400?

Hooked to what receiver?

Panasonic DMP-BD30 bitstreamed via HDMI to an Integra 9.8.

[allargon]

Let me show (one of the former reds) show you the easy way to find out.

Go to Blu-Ray stats.

http://www.blu-raystats.com/stats.php

Select DTS-MA. You might have to do it multiple times to get 5.1, 7.1, etc.

Next, select Dolby TrueHD--see above regarding selections.

Then, select PCM for all those crappy 1st and 2nd gen players from Sony, Philips, Samsung, etc. that didn't do what they were supposed to do. (Sorry, bad habit. Note: I don't hate PCM. I just hate players that can only do PCM.)

For the record, it's actually easier on Blu-Ray to select the discs that DON'T have lossless sound (*cough* Warner, *cough* Paramount) vs. HD DVD where most have high res but not quite lossless.

[jostenmeat]

I also use the BD specs site a lot, if only for comparative shopping. If you want a list that already segregates titles by audio codecs for you, here's one:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=760714

[The Chukker]

I have a couple of DTS MA discs: Pan's Labyrinth and Mr. and Mrs. Smith. It sounds terrific. However, the PCM discs sound just as good IMO. In fact, the best sounding (and mixed) movie I own is 3:10 to Yuma (which is 7.1 PCM uncompressed).
Absolutely killer surround effects.
I have the Pioneer Elite bitstreaming to a Denon 3808.

[BG3]

Thank you for the replies. I also found this site somewhat useful:

http://www.blu-ray.com/

[dobyblue]

Panasonic DMP-BD30, Samsung 5000 or 1400?

Hooked to what receiver?

The two Denon players and the most recent Pioneer Elite blu-ray player also allow for bitstreaming of dts-ma.

[dobyblue]

For the easiest way to check and see which titles have what, use this excellently put together site:

http://www.blu-raystats.com/stats.php

You can sort by audio and see all the PCM titles, 24-bit PCM titles, dts-ma 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, etc., etc., etc.

To summarize, currently 66% of all Blu-ray Disc titles on the market feature lossless audio.


LPCM 203 40%
dts-ma 78 15%
TrueHD 56 11%

[AcuDefTechGuy]

For the easiest way to check and see which titles have what, use this excellently put together site:

http://www.blu-raystats.com/stats.php

You can sort by audio and see all the PCM titles, 24-bit PCM titles, dts-ma 5.1, 6.1, 7.1, etc., etc., etc.

To summarize, currently 66% of all Blu-ray Disc titles on the market feature lossless audio.


LPCM 203 40%
dts-ma 78 15%
TrueHD 56 11%


Wow, I'm a little bit surprised to see more DTS-MA titles than TrueHD.

Do you think TrueHD will eventually surpass both PCM and DTS-MA?

I know that LionsGate recently switched from DTS-MA to PCM. Beuna Vista/Disney released at least one title on TrueHD, and Sony recently used TrueHD instead of PCM.

With my luck, as soon as I get a DTS-MA (Internal Decoder) blu-ray player, every studio will stop making DTS-MA altogether!:D

[dobyblue]

Ha, ha, wouldn't that be a *****!

I'll bet you any money Paramount releases Indy 4 and Jurassic Park IV both with dts-ma.

I think Fox will stay with dts-ma and so too will MGM/UA. Sony seems to be using TrueHD now more than ever, Disney it's too early to tell. Universal were the biggest supporter of 1.5 Mbps dts on DVD, releasing 23 of the 40 dts 1.5 Mbps DVD's that ever saw the light of day.

I'm sure the sun is far from setting on dts-ma.

[dobyblue]

...and just in case anyone was wondering what the 40 titles with 1.5 Mbps dts were on DVD-Video:


12 Monkeys (Universal) 1509kbps
Amistad (DreamWorks) 1509kbps
Antz (DreamWorks) 1509kbps
Apollo 13 (Universal) 1509kbps Discontinued
Babe (Universal. Warning: Pan and Scan) 1509kbps Discontinued
Born on the Fourth of July (Universal) 1509kbps Discontinued
Boxer, The (Universal) 1509kbps
Dances With Wolves (Image Entertainment) 1509kbps Discontinued
Dante's Peak (Universal) 1509kbps
Daylight (Universal) 1509kbps
Dragonheart (Universal) 1509kbps
EdTV (Universal) 1509kbps
Flintstones, The (Universal) 1509kbps
For Richer or Poorer (Universal) 1509kbps
Galaxy Quest (DreamWorks) 1509kbps
Interview with the Vampire (Warner) 1509kbps
Jackal, The (Universal) 1509kbps
Lethal Weapon (Warner) 1509kbps
Lethal Weapon 2 (Warner) 1509kbps
Lethal Weapon 3 (Warner) 1509kbps
Liar Liar (Universal. Warning: Pan and Scan) 1509kbps
Little Rascals, The (Universal) 1509kbps
Mercury Rising (Universal) 1509kbps
Mouse Hunt (DreamWorks) 1509kbps
Nutty Professor, The (Universal) 1509kbps
Out of Sight (Universal) 1509kbps
Passion of the Christ, The (20th Century Fox) 1509kbps Canada/754kbps US Standard and Definitive Edition
Patch Adams (Universal) 1509kbps Discontinued
Paulie (DreamWorks) 1509kbps
Peacemaker, The (DreamWorks) 1509kbps
Primary Colors (Universal) 1509kbps
Prince of Egypt, The (DreamWorks) 1509kbps
Re-Animator: Millennium Edition (Elite Entertainment) 1509kbps Discontinued
River Wild, The (Universal) 1509kbps
Shadow, The (Universal. Warning: Pan and Scan) 1509kbps
Small Soldiers (DreamWorks) 1509kbps
Super Speedway: The Mach II Special Edition (Image Entertainment) 1509kbps
Thin Red Line, The (20th Century Fox) 1509kbps
Twister (Warner) 1509kbps
Virus (Universal) 1509kbps
Waterworld (Universal) 1509kbps

[rgriffin25]

How are you guys getting the DTS-MA?

Panasonic DMP-BD30, Samsung 5000 or 1400?

Hooked to what receiver?

I have, Yamaha RX-V3800 (7.1) and Panasonic BD-30. I use netflix and I must say I am quite suprised how many movies that are encoded in DTS MA. I remember about 10 years ago when I bought my first Dolby Digital Receiver and how impressed I was with Twister in 5.1. I had that feeling all over again with DTS HD MA.

[rgriffin25]

...and just in case anyone was wondering what the 40 titles with 1.5 Mbps dts were on DVD-Video:


12 Monkeys (Universal) 1509kbps
Amistad (DreamWorks) 1509kbps
Antz (DreamWorks) 1509kbps
Apollo 13 (Universal) 1509kbps Discontinued
Babe (Universal. Warning: Pan and Scan) 1509kbps Discontinued
Born on the Fourth of July (Universal) 1509kbps Discontinued
Boxer, The (Universal) 1509kbps
Dances With Wolves (Image Entertainment) 1509kbps Discontinued
Dante's Peak (Universal) 1509kbps
Daylight (Universal) 1509kbps
Dragonheart (Universal) 1509kbps
EdTV (Universal) 1509kbps
Flintstones, The (Universal) 1509kbps
For Richer or Poorer (Universal) 1509kbps
Galaxy Quest (DreamWorks) 1509kbps
Interview with the Vampire (Warner) 1509kbps
Jackal, The (Universal) 1509kbps
Lethal Weapon (Warner) 1509kbps
Lethal Weapon 2 (Warner) 1509kbps
Lethal Weapon 3 (Warner) 1509kbps
Liar Liar (Universal. Warning: Pan and Scan) 1509kbps
Little Rascals, The (Universal) 1509kbps
Mercury Rising (Universal) 1509kbps
Mouse Hunt (DreamWorks) 1509kbps
Nutty Professor, The (Universal) 1509kbps
Out of Sight (Universal) 1509kbps
Passion of the Christ, The (20th Century Fox) 1509kbps Canada/754kbps US Standard and Definitive Edition
Patch Adams (Universal) 1509kbps Discontinued
Paulie (DreamWorks) 1509kbps
Peacemaker, The (DreamWorks) 1509kbps
Primary Colors (Universal) 1509kbps
Prince of Egypt, The (DreamWorks) 1509kbps
Re-Animator: Millennium Edition (Elite Entertainment) 1509kbps Discontinued
River Wild, The (Universal) 1509kbps
Shadow, The (Universal. Warning: Pan and Scan) 1509kbps
Small Soldiers (DreamWorks) 1509kbps
Super Speedway: The Mach II Special Edition (Image Entertainment) 1509kbps
Thin Red Line, The (20th Century Fox) 1509kbps
Twister (Warner) 1509kbps
Virus (Universal) 1509kbps
Waterworld (Universal) 1509kbps


Shouldn't Saving Private Ryan DTS and Men in Black DTS be on this list?

[dobyblue]

Shouldn't Saving Private Ryan DTS and Men in Black DTS be on this list?

No, they had 754 Kbps dts, not 1.5 Mbps.


Saving Private Ryan (DreamWorks) 754kbps Discontinued
Saving Private Ryan: 60th Anniversary Commemorative Edition (DreamWorks) 754kbps (Only when bought as part of the four-disc World War II Collection box set. DTS is not included on the two-disc release.)
Men In Black (Columbia TriStar) 754kbps
Men In Black: Superbit (Columbia TriStar) 754kbps Discontinued
Men In Black 2: Superbit (Columbia TriStar) 754kbps Discontinued


The full list of DVD's with dts is here - http://www.spannerworks.net/reference/10_6a.asp

[dobyblue]

I have, Yamaha RX-V3800 (7.1) and Panasonic BD-30. I use netflix and I must say I am quite suprised how many movies that are encoded in DTS MA. I remember about 10 years ago when I bought my first Dolby Digital Receiver and how impressed I was with Twister in 5.1. I had that feeling all over again with DTS HD MA.

...and so far all the New Line Cinema releases have feature 7.1 dts-ma, a trend I hope continues.

The Golden Compass is slated for dts-ma 7.1

[j_garcia]

There are titles that aren't on that list as well. Nine Inch Nails: And All That Could Have Been dts was 1509k And I am sure there are imports that aren't on it also - I have Jin-Roh (Special Edition), a Japanese animated film that has a 1509K Japanese dts track.

[dobyblue]

That would explain why I've always been impressed with the NIN dts version, as far as concerts on DVD go, the audio there is reference.

In addition, the dts version had all the extras in dts 5.1 whereas the Dolby version had all the extras in Dolby Stereo.

I've never checked the NIN DVD on the PS3 to see the audio bitrate, I must do that.

The site also does mention the following:

The following (conventional theatrical release: no concerts/music releases, direct-to-video or IMAX titles) DTS DVDs are currently available, or have been announced for release, in Region One (US, Canada and US Territories).

[obscbyclouds]

God, I hate DTS-HD MA, or at least the PS3's inability to decode it. :mad:

I would have rather seen it die than HD-DVD!

[mfabien]

How are you guys getting the DTS-MA?

Panasonic DMP-BD30, Samsung 5000 or 1400?

Hooked to what receiver?

I have the Samsung BD-P1400. It decodes lossless audio codecs. As for DTS-HD, the P1400 decodes DTS-HD MA as DTS-HD HR (high resolution). Found the HR quite acceptable in Die Hard 3.

DTS-HD MA requires a great amount of memory buffer, because of the volume of data, and my sense is that the P-1400 does not carry enough HD space for it.

[AcuDefTechGuy]

...and so far all the New Line Cinema releases have feature 7.1 dts-ma, a trend I hope continues.

The Golden Compass is slated for dts-ma 7.1

I notice New Line & Fox are pretty much exclusive on DTS-MA.

I notice Lionsgate is going from DTS-MA to LPCM (War).
I notice Sony going from LPCM to TrueHD (Spiderman).

[AcuDefTechGuy]

God, I hate DTS-HD MA, or at least the PS3's inability to decode it. :mad:

I would have rather seen it die than HD-DVD!

That's how I felt initially. But like they say, if you can't beat them, join them!:D

[dobyblue]

I have the Samsung BD-P1400. It decodes lossless audio codecs. As for DTS-HD, the P1400 decodes DTS-HD MA as DTS-HD HR (high resolution). Found the HR quite acceptable in Die Hard 3.


I'm afraid it's not dts-hr.
It's core dts at 1.5 Mbps. dts-hr also contains a dts core.
dts-ma does not contain a dts-hr core, it's only of a higher resolution than dts on the majority of DVD titles, but DVD-Video is capable of 1.5 Mbps dts as well. For bandwidth's sake it's not used very often.

http://dtsonline.com/dts-hd/better-sound-today-perfect-sound-tomorrow.php

DTS-HD is an extension of the original DTS Coherent Acoustics format. All DTS-HD encoded content contains the original DTS 1.5 Mbps core. When played back through your existing DTS capable system, the DTS-HD extension is simply "ignored" and the DTS Core is recognized and decoded. Due to space constraints, most standard DVDs encoded DTS at only 768 kbps, or half of its’ full potential. DTS-HD can contain the full DTS core*, so your receiver will play back DTS surround audio at over twice the data rate of other formats.

All existing DTS receivers or home theater systems are compatible with DTS-HD Audio and can deliver an immediate audio improvement: clearer, fuller and more dynamic sound. In instances where the DTS-HD includes a DTS Core with 6.1 channels or 96/24, consumers with DTS-ES and DTS-96/24 will be able to enjoy 6.1 discrete channels or 96/24 audio in 5.1 surround.. This is a unique advantage of the DTS system.


http://dtsonline.com/media/2007/MandatoryTechnology_v2.jpg

[The Chukker]

Thanks for posting that graph doby, I have perused the dtsonline website and found this a while back but I forgot about it. Very informative. I have a few blu-ray discs now; some have dts-ma, most are pcm, and a couple have true hd. Honestly, I cannot tell the difference -- which kind of reminds me of the epiphany I had last generation: the source material is just as if not more important than the codec used. Deep down though I'm hoping that at least one dts-ma disc with the max bitrate comes out at some point that will blow away even the most jaded and skeptical audiophile in all of us. Oh and I won't buy another New Line dts-ma encoded disc until I can independently verify that the content of the discs actually matches the packaging. This has come up before, but Pan's Labyrinth and Shoot 'em Up are both 5.1 dts-ma despite their claim to be 7.1 dts-ma.

[AcuDefTechGuy]

...This has come up before, but Pan's Labyrinth and Shoot 'em Up are both 5.1 dts-ma despite their claim to be 7.1 dts-ma.



Are you serious?

I did not realize that!

I'm only using 5.1 anyway, but lying like that by New Line is not good.

I played War BD (7.1 PCM) and it seemed to be 7.1 PCM - not that it sounded any differently than 5.1 PCM, but I'm pretty sure I heard all 4 surround speakers.

I have never listened to DTS-MA 7.1.

Does anyone even make TrueHD 7.1?

[BG3]

WOW :eek: there's a lot of good information here. Thank you all for the quality, on-topic posts!

[dobyblue]

I played War BD (7.1 PCM) and it seemed to be 7.1 PCM - not that it sounded any differently than 5.1 PCM, but I'm pretty sure I heard all 4 surround speakers.

I have never listened to DTS-MA 7.1.

Does anyone even make TrueHD 7.1?

War is definitely PCM 7.1, I don't think there are any TrueHD 7.1 titles yet, but there will be.

PCM 7.1 titles are:

3:10 To Yuma
Tyler Perry's Daddy's Little Girls
Delta Farce
Good Luck Chuck (Unrated)
Ultimate Avengers Collection
National Lampoon's Van Wilder (Unrated)
Waiting... (Unrated and Raw)
Weeds Season 2

War is the only 24-bit 7.1 PCM track currently released.