Are there any DTS 7.1 tiltles on dvd ?

[Gerald]

I have "Gladiator" and "Final Destination 2" in DTS 6.1 on dvd. Are there any DTS 7.1 titles on dvd ?

Thanks,

Gerald :)

[Unregistered]

There are no discrete 7.1 mixes in any format.

[Gerald]

Thanks for answering me.

<< There are no dicrete 7.1 mixes in any format. >> Then why there are 7.1 receivers ?

[Unregistered]

There are 7.1 receivers because having 7 speakers can create a more enveloping sound field with speakers at your front, sides, and behind you. There are currently no 7.1 discrete recordings but that doesn't mean you can't get 7.1 sound.

Receivers have many options for expanding 2 channel or 5.1 channel mixes to 6.1 or 7.1. 'All channel stereo' modes take 2 channel mixes and expand them to 5, 6 or 7 channels. Dolby Prologic II expands 2 channel to 5.1. DPLIIx expands 2 channel analog or digital to 6.1 or 7.1 and can also expand 5.1 to either 6.1 or 7.1. DPLIIx can be layered on top of DTS 5.1 or 6.1 to create 7.1, etc...

So the number of discrete channels recorded on a disc has only a limited relationship to how many channels you can get for playback. There are no discs in any format that contain 7.1 discrete channels, but that may change in the future so having a 7.1 receiver is useful to be ready for future 7.1 formats should they ever arrive. A 7.1 receiver is also useful now if you want to use the processing modes described above to get 7.1 sound from 2,5.1, or 6.1 sources. Additionally, many 7.1 receivers can be configured to play 5.1 in the main room and use the other two amps to drive stereo speakers in another room. Lots of good reasons to choose a 7.1 receiver in my opinion.

[Gerald]

Thanks for your very interesting explanation. I have a 7.1 receiver, an Onkyo TX-NR801(B).

Best Wishes,

Gerald :)

[Unregistered]

There are 7.1 receivers because having 7 speakers can create a more enveloping sound field with speakers at your front, sides, and behind you. There are currently no 7.1 discrete recordings but that doesn't mean you can't get 7.1 sound.

Receivers have many options for expanding 2 channel or 5.1 channel mixes to 6.1 or 7.1. 'All channel stereo' modes take 2 channel mixes and expand them to 5, 6 or 7 channels. Dolby Prologic II expands 2 channel to 5.1. DPLIIx expands 2 channel analog or digital to 6.1 or 7.1 and can also expand 5.1 to either 6.1 or 7.1. DPLIIx can be layered on top of DTS 5.1 or 6.1 to create 7.1, etc...

So the number of discrete channels recorded on a disc has only a limited relationship to how many channels you can get for playback. There are no discs in any format that contain 7.1 discrete channels, but that may change in the future so having a 7.1 receiver is useful to be ready for future 7.1 formats should they ever arrive. A 7.1 receiver is also useful now if you want to use the processing modes described above to get 7.1 sound from 2,5.1, or 6.1 sources. Additionally, many 7.1 receivers can be configured to play 5.1 in the main room and use the other two amps to drive stereo speakers in another room. Lots of good reasons to choose a 7.1 receiver in my opinion.


There is EX which is 7.1 and DTS ES which is 6.1 or something like that. I have a Sony 7.1 reciever and there are movies in 7.1 and 6.1 cause I have seen/heard them. But only a few. Dont you just hate it when someone writes like thay no what their talking about but don't have a clue.

Dan L Fedric Jr

[Unregistered]

There is EX which is 7.1 and DTS ES which is 6.1 or something like that. I have a Sony 7.1 reciever and there are movies in 7.1 and 6.1 cause I have seen/heard them. But only a few. Dont you just hate it when someone writes like thay no what their talking about but don't have a clue.

Dan L Fedric Jr

Yes, I do and I would put Dan L Fedric Jr in that category. The 'EX' you are talking about is Thx Ultra 2 and it is a matrix decoding format, just like the others described. There are no discrete 7.1 movies in any format! Do some research on your own before making a fool of yourself.

[av_phile]

So there are no 7.1 DVD titles out there. Whew, I almost thought I was missing some titles with all those 7.1, 8.1 and 9.1 receivers out there.

I was about to ask if there are 7.1 DVD players as well. Wouldn't make much sense playng a 7.1 DVD on a 5.1 player that won't recognize the format, would it? Or maybe the S/PDIF will just pass it on and wouldn't care less how channels there are?

[petermwilson]

Hi,
My DTS copy of "The Haunting" shows 6.1 Discrete on the face plate of my Denon 5800/03.

I can't remember if the 5800, prior to the upgrade had the capability to recognise it but the back of the DVD's box says that it's a decoder issue and based on what you have will play in 5.1/6.1Matrix/6.1 Discrete.

I have purchased as many of my 150 dvd's in DTS as possible. The Haunting is the only one that I remember was discrete. I've written to DTS for a list to-day. Let's see what they say.

Peter m.
PS I ran into this thread from a Google search

[Unregistered]

This is Dan Fedric again and what I was saying is that their are DVD's that are 7.1 movies when my receiver is on auto detect and an ex or 7.1 movie is playing my dolby digital blue light comes on and instead of the receiver showing 3/2.1 it show somthing like 7.1 ex and the two rear center speakers magicly start working and it is awesome. I would call that a 7.1 movie you on the other hand are trying to make people think that this does not exsist.
And I'm here to tell you it does weather its matrix or decrete the format does exsist and it sounds really good and you do need a 7.1 receive to hear it.

[Leprkon]

There are actually not any 7.1 movies out yet. 7.1 from both Dolby and DTS use a processing algorithm to send portions of the signal to the side speakers and portions of the signal to the back. in the case of a 6.1 disk, it splits the 6th channel and "ghosts" it to the back 2 channels.

a good 7.1 system can split out the signal very well and would indicate this as 7.1 on the receiver display. as of right now, though, it's just phantom processing, not truly seperate channels.

[Unregistered]

This is Dan Fedric again and what I was saying is that their are DVD's that are 7.1 movies when my receiver is on auto detect and an ex or 7.1 movie is playing my dolby digital blue light comes on and instead of the receiver showing 3/2.1 it show somthing like 7.1 ex and the two rear center speakers magicly start working and it is awesome. I would call that a 7.1 movie you on the other hand are trying to make people think that this does not exsist.
And I'm here to tell you it does weather its matrix or decrete the format does exsist and it sounds really good and you do need a 7.1 receive to hear it.
Dan, you need to do some research on surround formats; the information is out there if you choose to look for it. Start with the Dolby site. There are zero 7.1 discs. That means there are no discs that have 7.1 channels[i] of information recorded on them. Sure, a 7.1 receiver can apply a processing mode, like DPLIIx, to turn 2 channel analog, 2 channel digital, 5.1 or 6.1 digital for playback on 7.1 [i]speakers, but there are no discs that have 7.1 channels recorded.

You are confused because you think that the number of speakers playing equates to the number of channels on the disc. If you play a normal 2 channel CD, you can apply DPLIIx to get sound out of 7 speakers, but the disc still only has 2 channels.

[mike frenette]

I work in the field of home theatres (for 15 years now). Everyone saying that 7.1 format exist is a fool and doesn't make the diference between the receiver's ability and the format "on" the disc.

7.1 is the receiver's ability to take a signal and translate it into 7.1 channels. But be assured that the format does not exist on any disc.
What the receivers does is; taking the signal (ES or EX) and taking the information contained in the sixth channel and spreading it over two speakers with a certain amount of steering. Yes it may sound good, but in certain occasions it diminishes the steering between speakers by taking too much information and spreading over too many speakers.

Those who turned on the EX or ES on non-EX-ES movies will notice the dimished steering between Lsurround and Rsurround and the necessity to turn the volume up on the two channels.

[hopjohn]

The DVD, Seven, has a version which is DTS 6.1 discrete, just to name another. To the best of my knowledge their are no titles with 6.1 discrete channels in Dolby, I may be wrong, but I believe Dolby 5.1 EX is 6.1 matrixed. I beleive DTS is the only one to have 6.1 discrete titles, but they also have 6.1 matrixed titles like 007 Die Another Day.

I did read, however, that Dolby Digital Plus is looking into making 7.1 discrete happen. Here is a link to the article.

Dolby Digital Plus (http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-bin/shownews.php?id=7068)

[MDS]

You are correct about the 6.1 titles and formats hopjohn. DTS has a new format that promises 7.1 discrete too. I think it is now called DTS-HD (it was originally called DTS++, similar to the new Dolby Digital + you mentioned).

[JB072]

Does the Sony STR-DE897 have the ability to convert dvd's to 7.1

[Cuteman]

7.1, 8.1, 9.1 may not be supported by discreet channels of audio, however when you want dual zone speaker support, you're going to need those extra channels

[LONGBUCKS]

A good reference site I have used for dts & dts 6.1 movies is

http://www.spannerworks.net/reference/10_6a.asp

[racquetman]

Does anyone else besides me think it is sad that people are still this confused about these formats? People like Dan Fedric (I hate to pick on you, but you obviously have no real understanding about what is on a DVD or how your receiver works) add to this confusion by posting completely ignorant statements like:

"There is EX which is 7.1 and DTS ES which is 6.1 or something like that. I have a Sony 7.1 reciever and there are movies in 7.1 and 6.1 cause I have seen/heard them. But only a few. Dont you just hate it when someone writes like thay no what their talking about but don't have a clue."

Maybe home theater is just too confusing for the average person. Do you think? I mean the regulars on this format aren't going to waste their time trying to set someone straight when the reply is "you don't have a clue." Of course all the HT vets know without thinking that the most discrete channels available on a consumer format is 6.1 called DTS 6.1 discrete. Why is this so hard to understand? This stuff has been around for a long time. I think HTiB has dumbed down HT too much!! People don't have to understand what is going on any longer. Everything is color coded and dummy proof. Obviously you see the problem with this.

By the way, there are a lot more 6.1 discrete and matrixed discs out there than you think. Here are some more:

The Beastmaster (DTS 6.1 discrete)
Blade II (DTS 6.1 discrete)
The Butterfly Effect (DTS 6.1 discrete)
Die Another Day ( DTS 5.1 ES- matrixed)
Gladiator (DTS 6.1 discrete)
Highlander (DTS 6.1 discrete)
The Running Man (DTS 6.1 discrete)
Seven (DTS 6.1 discrete)
All Lord of the Rings extended versions are DTS 6.1 discrete
All Star Wars movies are DD 5.1 EX (matrixed 6.1)

[racquetman]

. . . here is a link to a site with accurate information and a good explanation (I only looked it over quickly, so hopefully everything is accurate :) )

http://timefordvd.com/tutorial/SurroundSound.shtml

[MasterChief]

Yes, I do and I would put Dan L Fedric Jr in that category. The 'EX' you are talking about is Thx Ultra 2 and it is a matrix decoding format, just like the others described. There are no discrete 7.1 movies in any format! Do some research on your own before making a fool of yourself.
What my friend here is trying to say is THERE IS NO DVD WITH SEVEN CHANNELS RECORDED.(Encoded).You gotta understand the difference between Discrete and Matrix. DD EX is a Matrix recorded in 5 Channels and the reciever's DD decoder will output 5,6 or 7 channels, (depending on your configuration. but the 6 and 7's channels are only mixed from the surrounds.
On the otherhand DTS has two forms DTS-ES discrete abd DTS Matrix.
The Matrx works the same way. DTS ES Discrete actually has one more channel recorded on dvd making it 6.1. and if u have a 7th speaker watever u get in the 6th will be mixed with the 7th. So basically there is No 7.1 DVD its ur reciever doing the magic its almost like pretend. DTS is the only format with an actual 6th channel and that as far as it will go remember 7th is matrixed.

[Steve D. Jacobs]

Even though there aren't any known 7.1 movies, I couldn't help but notice some info about the Blu-Ray. I'm a big Playstation fan so when I started reading about what kind of balls under the hood the PS3 has. they informed that their Blu-Ray will support 7.1 encoded formats. So if they have 7.1 recievers AND 7.1 PLAYERS, it's only common sense that in a matter of time, there WILL be 7.1 MOVIES

[j_garcia]

I picked up Kingdom of Heaven and it has a DTS-HD track on it, which should be 7.1. Unfortunately, my receiver doesn't have HDMI so I wouldn't know if it actually IS 7.1.....

OK, so let us just say for the record, there are no STANDARD DVDs that are 7.1 and there likely never will be.

[racquetman]

I picked up Kingdom of Heaven and it has a DTS-HD track on it, which should be 7.1. Unfortunately, my receiver doesn't have HDMI so I wouldn't know if it actually IS 7.1.....

OK, so let us just say for the record, there are no STANDARD DVDs that are 7.1 and there likely never will be.

What do you mean it should be 7.1?? The Blu-ray Kingdom of Heaven disc doesn't have 7.1 audio channels (I assume that's the one you're talking about). It does have a DTS-HD master audio track, but it's 5.1.

Am I missing something?

[Sheep]

You guys are missing the fact that this thread is 3 years old...

..but since is current, there ISN'T any recivers with descrete 7.1 yet correct? And there isn't any disks that have it, correct?

SheepStar

[j_garcia]

What do you mean it should be 7.1?? The Blu-ray Kingdom of Heaven disc doesn't have 7.1 audio channels (I assume that's the one you're talking about). It does have a DTS-HD master audio track, but it's 5.1.

Am I missing something?

I thought the packaging said 7.1, and the dts website only listed 7.1 for Master Audio tracks (but then says 8ch MAX, and doesn't say if there would be 5.1). On my system, it is only 5.1 anyway :)

[MACCA350]

You guys are missing the fact that this thread is 3 years old...

..but since is current, there ISN'T any recivers with descrete 7.1 yet correct? And there isn't any disks that have it, correct?

SheepStarIf you use the 8 channel EXT-IN on most 7.1 receivers then it will be descrete 7.1(you just need a player that has 7.1 decoding and 8 analogue outputs and a disc with a 7.1 track)

On the other hand HDMI(all versions) can handle 8 channel 192khz PCM(and some HD players can output it, some not yet, they may need a firmware upgrade) so the question is whether or not current 7.1 receivers can accept this over HDMI(I have a thread about this here (http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29073))

cheers:)

[Bob_F]

1.) The Golden Compass - Blu Ray
2.) Narnia Price Caspin - Blu Ray

I enjoyed these two Blu Ray films

Yeah, 7.1 sounds great.

[j_garcia]

The thread is about DVDs not Blu-ray, and it is VERY old.

[abjonesiii]

The thread is about DVDs not Blu-ray, and it is VERY old.

I concur with garcia. But old it may be this was a very amusing threat to read start to finish. At first i didn't realize the age of this post and after the first page I almost hit the reply button and let into "you ***** IDIOT! " At the last second I glanced a date a began laughing.