Well, I had my first post deleted at AudioReview.

[markw]

I had the audacity to offer a dissenting opinion to one of their new moderators. It originaly was post # 9 . The funny thing is that my post is quoted in it's entirety in the two posts following.

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=6481


This is the post that started it.

"I recently purchased a paradigm pw 2200 v2, and I am hearing differing info as to go with a high end subwoofer cable or go with an average cable because some argue that the sound quality difference between cables is minimal. What do you think?"

Several responses, including mine, pretty much agreed with the "minimal" position. Some actually suggested there is no difference in subwoofer cables, save styling and price.

Then, one poster responds with this direct quote "I've found cables to make fairly obvious differences regarding PRAT, frequency extension, resolution, etc."

Now, that's a lot of buzzwords and purple prose, particularly for a subwoofer cable.

First off, virtually knowledegble people have always maintained that cable differences are subtle at best and, even then, is extremely system dependent. So, in light of the use of the word "obvious" in this blanket statement, it's only good, common sense to question the validity (or even possibility the truth?) of such advice, is it not?

Science would truly question the differences between interconnects of similar gauge, length and construction. I've even heard differences myself but they could be explained when the circumstances were examined but, believe me, with functonal cables, "obvious" is not a word I would use to quantify them.

Secondly, does this response reflect the resopndents experience with subwoofer cables? If not, then it's just supposition and has no basis in their experiences and is simply jargon from a magazine.

If so, this response is truly evidence of extra normal hearing abilities, heretofore unmatched by any other mortal.

I'll assume it's his actual experience. Since such comments indicate results unmatched by others, one would assume that further proof could be obtained.

That's kinda like someone telling me they could jump off a building and fly. I certainly would ask to see that! And, unless they could do it I would be within my rights to doubt them and that's all well and good. End of subject as I walk away chuckling.

But, if that person were to suggest that others could also and they should try it, then it would become an issue, would it not? Should not such advice be questioned?

Unfortunatly, that response was from a moderator and when I rebutted him, the post was deleted.

It's a new darkness falling over there when one cannot disagree with management...

[spenny]

lol
it's only a message-board
(not aimed at you since your point seems to be quite valid)
people take things way to seriously at times. if they want to see a moderator's nightmare then send them to www.gurn.net (this is NOT a plug)
every other board seems to pale in comparison.

[mtrycrafts]

One way to stop your posts from being deleted, stop posting there. Waste of time now :D

[JohnA]

Mark....My gosh....I looked at the site, and it is an all out war between the mod and everyone else....it looks like everyone was supporting you and ripping to bits the mod.

Good Job!!! :D

[Unregistered]

...looking for a new place and giving markw a little moral support...They have deleted some of my stuff, and locked threads...

The new broom is trying to sweep the place clean, a lot of good ol' boys left the site due to the unwelcome new regime's tactics...some of the mods really consider themselves hot stuff, although for the life of me, I have yet to see any evidence as to why that might be the case...

They seem to be attempting to stifle any real debate, trying to make it sort of an AA lite, but to hear them tell it, they see themselves as "protecting" newbies(who run like scared rabbits) from us big, bad objectivists and the mayhem we cause...even set up a nice little pen for us to play in when we wish to speak of proscribed subjects. Sfunny tho', they seem to be begging for new members...maybe they shudda tried keepin' the old ones!

It's a shame, it used to be a pretty good place...even if Nomex was required at times...but hey, these guys take all this cr@p so seriously...they just don't get it...

jimHJJ(...have a nice and safe weekend folks...you too mtry...)

[spenny]

all boards go through crap phases. what's important is how they deal with it at the time!
do you try and reclaim what it was once like or go with the flow?
(semi-loaded question i know...)

[annunaki]

Nomex... Hah! That's great! :D

[Clint DeBoer]

The n*w broom is trying to sw**p th* plac* cl*an, a lot of good ol' boys l*ft th* sit* du* to th* unw*lcome n*w r*gim*'s tactics...som* of th* mods r*ally consid*r th*ms*lv*s hot stuff, although for th* lif* of m*, I hav* y*t to s** any *vid*nc* as to why that might b* th* case...I'm sorry we don't allow the rampant use of the letter 'e' around here. Next time watch yourself or you might be banned.

LOL :D

[Mudcat]

I'm sorry w@ don't allow th@ rampant us@ of th@ l@tt@r '@' around h@r@. N@xt tim@ watch yours@lf or you might b@ bann@d.

LOL :D


Car@ful Hawk@, bib broth@r is watching

[Rock&Roll Ninja]

Just wait till all nouns and verbs must be renamed marklar.


The new marklar is trying to marklar the marklar clean, a lot of good ol' marklars left the marklar due to the unwelcome new marklar's marklars...some of the marklars really marklar themselves hot marklar, although for the markalr of marklar, marklar have yet to marklar any marklar as to why that might be the marklar...

[mtrycrafts]

...looking for a new place and giving markw a little moral support...They have deleted some of my stuff, and locked threads...

The new broom is trying to sweep the place clean, a lot of good ol' boys left the site due to the unwelcome new regime's tactics...some of the mods really consider themselves hot stuff, although for the life of me, I have yet to see any evidence as to why that might be the case...

They seem to be attempting to stifle any real debate, trying to make it sort of an AA lite, but to hear them tell it, they see themselves as "protecting" newbies(who run like scared rabbits) from us big, bad objectivists and the mayhem we cause...even set up a nice little pen for us to play in when we wish to speak of proscribed subjects. Sfunny tho', they seem to be begging for new members...maybe they shudda tried keepin' the old ones!

It's a shame, it used to be a pretty good place...even if Nomex was required at times...but hey, these guys take all this cr@p so seriously...they just don't get it...

jimHJJ(...have a nice and safe weekend folks...you too mtry...)

That is not fair! You need to register, make a name for yourslef here too :D

Good to see you. I think you will like it here even better ;) Swerd may venture here as well.

the owner of the site [Admin: just to clairfy - the site who's incident started off this thread - NOT Audioholics :) ] is a marketing firm, sells info to clients and has a finantial interest in drawing in the right advertisers who don't like their products wacked and badmouthed. You cannot sell cables, expensive cables, if they sound the same :D

Nomex? Why else was it invented for if no one wears them :D :D

Edit: (HawKe - clarification, hope you don't mind)

[mtrycrafts]

responses. I cannot afford stem cell injection to repair my rib cage :D :D :D

[Unregistered]

One way to stop your posts from being deleted, stop posting there. Waste of time now :D

Yeah, but I'm gonna give 'em hell until they throw me off.....

Which may be very soon. Especially with two new moderators that behave just like the "who shot.." over at AA.

Called them both hypocrites tonight, so I'm sure they'll try and ban me.

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=6702

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?t=6705

-Bruce

[FLZapped]

One way to stop your posts from being deleted, stop posting there. Waste of time now :D


Waste of time?!?!!? Mtry, are you sick, I thought you liked biting ankles????

-Bruce

[mtrycrafts]

Waste of time?!?!!? Mtry, are you sick, I thought you liked biting ankles????

-Bruce

Oh, I do like knocking heads, biting ankles and more, but they brought in the big sticks I cannot fight, being banned. So, better part of valor is to just depart quietly :D

Welcome aboard. Maybe you will get the official treatment too but, my reputation preceeded me here :p

[Resident Loser]

...nice to be here...

Things are gettin' real silly over @AR...can't even post a response without some veiled threats...very myopic IMO...although there may be a re-think of the hard-line attitude as have been only "suggestions" to continue certain threads in the LAB...the intent is there however...

jimHJJ(...hello all...)

[Swerd]

...nice to be here...

Things are gettin' real silly over @AR...can't even post a response without some veiled threats...very myopic IMO...although there may be a re-think of the hard-line attitude as have been only "suggestions" to continue certain threads in the LAB...the intent is there however...

jimHJJ(...hello all...)

The same goes for me… nice to be here… :)

I'm afraid the bleak pressures of the commercial marketplace has destroyed the forum that we used to have at AR.com. At the suggestion of Skeptic, I looked for the owner of Audio Reviews to complain and found that it is a marketing data consulting company (E-centives, Inc. http://www.e-centives.com/ ) that sells consumer preference data to various clients, usually the mass marketing companies that advertise and sell audio gear, computers, cameras, cars, etc. I was surprised to learn that they are just around the corner from my office here in Maryland. So I phoned them to complain to a real human. I came away from that conversation with the clear impression that they only care about doing business with their clients. Our fun little forum is merely a source of data for them to mine. It seems that the truth about audio gear (especially about audio cables) offended some of their potential clients.

This certainly explains their attempts to segregate cable posts in general from scientific discussion (and I use that term loosely :D) of the possibility that cables were incabable of performing as so many claim. It made for easier data mining and hid the naysayers from their potential clients. Our efforts were apparently effective enough to force at least one marketing consulting company to attempt to stifle the discussion.

So let's remember that - and forget the rest - as we scrape it off our shoes and continue here at this site.

[markw]

...Dan Banquer (sp?) and John Escillaliar (sp), aka J Neutron were doing quite a formidable job eons before any of us migrated here. Now, there's some heavyweight know how to stand up against the technobabble at other sites!

Too many cooks can spoil the broth and make it unpallatable to the diners.

The problem with serious research is that there is always the possibility that they just might discover something that could make a difference. Now, wether that difference is audiable is yet another issue entirely.

[WmAx]

Greetings fellow AudioReview users. Good to see you here.

Unfortunately, I was the first person banned from AR. But maybe people like me better when I'm absent. :-)

-Chris

[FLZapped]

Greetings fellow AudioReview users. Good to see you here.

Unfortunately, I was the first person banned from AR. But maybe people like me better when I'm absent. :-)

-Chris

Interesting. I am amazed they haven't given me the boot yet. I've had the 50 grit after the moderators for several days.....

I was amused to see Best Buy advertizing here. I bet that would make those audio snobs like E-Stat gag up thier lunch....

-Bruce :eek:

[Rip Van Woofer]

Hmmm...I doubt that Gene and Hawke envisioned Audioholics as a refugee center! :D

Anyway, we are generally a sceptical bunch here but try to be a bit mellower than, say, Peter Aczel (whom I admire). We get a high percentage of newbies here looking for guidance thru the thicket. So be gentle with the ill-informed when trying to lead them to the Truth. Eschew long drawn out confrontations with the obstinate and let them find their own way back to the Audio Asylum.

And watch this space for my cutting-edge research on the effects of moon phase and small animal sacrifices on soundstaging and microdynamics! :p

[Resident Loser]

..."SoundStage In A Can"...

Was all the rage for a time...

jimHJJ(...I'll see if I still have any of the paperwork...)

[FLZapped]

..."SoundStage In A Can"...

Was all the rage for a time...

jimHJJ(...I'll see if I still have any of the paperwork...)

Is that anything like Hurrican Frances Wind in a can they're hawking on Ebay????

Bruce :eek:

[Pat D]

It's truly bizarre, Mark. The original poster (not a regular) asked about the issues, but the mod apparently won't allow him to hear about all the main viewpoints. This is to serve newbies? Hah!

I haven't determined how much of this stuff I can put up with. Apparently newbies are not to learn the true picture.

[Rob Babcock]

To be honest, I didn't remember AR had a forum, although I'd imagine I've probably seen it at some point. I don't know the "politics" of that site, but playing devil's advocate, I can see their point. If every time someone casually mentions how much she likes the sound of something they get ambushed with beligerent calls for proof, she's not likely to make any posts. And not every single opinion can really be verified with a study. Besides, why should it have to be? Show some courtesy and allow people to speak without jumping them.

Again, to be fair, I don't frequent the site, so I don't know the issues you guys have to deal with. Sounds like the mod is a bit heavy handed.

[WmAx]

The admin is not my idea of a rational person. I asked him in PM(I will post the correspondence if anyone requests) and on the forum to explain what he meant by his broadly generalizing terms that he was using when he first showed up, and he refused to answer/define his meanings. He reacted in what I can only interpret to be 'lazy' replies without ever answering me, but instead threatening me. About 10 minutes after he sent the last message to me he posted the new forum ruls that prohibited any discusison of lab results, dbt or abx testing in the main forums(only allowed in a special sideline forum). I made a reply to somoene else(not even the admin) that the new rules had been posted, and that the forum was now an official safe haven for ingorance. I then noticed some of my posts had been deleted. I was banned within 10 minutes after this post. :D

But I suppose he was looking for a reason to ban me anyways. I do tend to come off as a somewhat abrasive personality sometimes........ :D

-Chris

To be honest, I didn't remember AR had a forum, although I'd imagine I've probably seen it at some point. I don't know the "politics" of that site, but playing devil's advocate, I can see their point. If every time someone casually mentions how much she likes the sound of something they get ambushed with beligerent calls for proof, she's not likely to make any posts. And not every single opinion can really be verified with a study. Besides, why should it have to be? Show some courtesy and allow people to speak without jumping them.

Again, to be fair, I don't frequent the site, so I don't know the issues you guys have to deal with. Sounds like the mod is a bit heavy handed.

[Resident Loser]

...I don't think anyone ever "ambushed" the subjectivists...particularly the newbs...for the most part, folks were advised of human frailties, the pitfalls of expectations and the like, lack of substantive data, the Barnum Efffect and, of course, shills and snake-oil...the real hard-core "night and day" folks were certainly called on their post's. Claims for cables, eutectic solders, styrofoam cups, etc. pretty much was fair game...both sides paricipated with relish...and on many occasions it got hot without a doubt. Previous AR mgmt. didn't seem to have a problem and pretty much let things go it's natural route...I'm sure the hit rate was higher then, than it is now...especially since I see admin literally begging for folks to join up...

The segregation of the objectivist POV to "The Audio Lab"(originally called something else much less complimentary) completely dismissed it's validity in the overall debates. If the newbs are scared, how many are gonna' go to the "LAB"?...that is the bone of contention IMO.

jimHJJ(...in a nutshell...)

[Resident Loser]

"...I do tend to come off as a somewhat abrasive personality sometimes..."

If that's the case, what the he!! do they make of me?

jimHJJ(...the world is not a pretty place...)

[FLZapped]

I was banned within 10 minutes after this post. :D

But I suppose he was looking for a reason to ban me anyways. I do tend to come off as a somewhat abrasive personality sometimes........ :D

-Chris

Oh man, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm amazed I'm still there, although I have not checked this morning......I sent a frank reply back to one of the admins who sent me a PM the other day asking me to "tone it down". I even agreed that at times I was being abrasive....

-Bruce
(no eek this time.....)

[jneutron]

[QUOTE=markw John Escillaliar (sp), aka J Neutron [/QUOTE]

Whoa...now, that's an iteration I've never seen before :p ..you have made it to the hall of fame, alongside such notable entries as:

Escadillo (the all time leader, heard over the PA system at the Penn Relays, by about 75,000 people)
Escalibur
Eclair
Escahoo
Escawhat
Escawhere
Escawhen
Escawhy
Escalator
Escarpment

Cheers, John

[Mudcat]

[QUOTE=jneutronEscadillo (the all time leader, heard over the PA system at the Penn Relays, by about 75,000 people)
Escalibur
Eclair
Escahoo
Escawhat
Escawhere
Escawhen
Escawhy
Escalator
Escarpment

Cheers, John[/QUOTE]


How about escapee

[jneutron]

[QUOTE=jneutronEscadillo (the all time leader, heard over the PA system at the Penn Relays, by about 75,000 people)
Escalibur
Eclair
Escahoo
Escawhat
Escawhere
Escawhen
Escawhy
Escalator
Escarpment

Cheers, John


How about escapee[/QUOTE]

I'll thank you to keep that quiet..they haven't found me yet..it took a while to knaw my hands free so's I could type..my nose got sore..
Hours to go...

Cheers, John

[markw]

Whoa...now, that's an iteration I've never seen before :p ..you have made it to the hall of fame, alongside such notable entries as:

Escadillo (the all time leader, heard over the PA system at the Penn Relays, by about 75,000 people)
Escalibur
Eclair
Escahoo
Escawhat
Escawhere
Escawhen
Escawhy
Escalator
Escarpment

Cheers, John

I've been on other lists before and this beats most of 'em. In fact, at another site I think I'm pretty much at the top of one ;)

BTW, what IS the correct spelling?

[jneutron]

BTW, what IS the correct spelling?
It's the same spelling as that geek guy that did this web page..

http://www.bnl.gov/magnets/Linear_Collider/Magnet_Construction.asp

But I'm much more handsome..

Cheers, John

PS...shameless plug, huh?.................good.

[FLZapped]

Well, I am now wondering what is going to happen over at AR, I am in a rather heated debate about the bias of the moderation there with one of the new moderators. He deleted one of my posts, yet left on of Jon's where he clearly called me a liar and then drew another engineers name out of a hat and libeled him - all in the same post.

Brother.

http://forums.audioreview.com/showthread.php?p=53467#post53467

-Bruce

[markw]

It does seem that all the moderaters weigh in strongly on one side of the yea/nay fence, doesn't it?

After all, this mod started this thread just to cause trouble. It started out pretty sanely but, in post three of this thread he came out swinging.

"I'm just shocked that no naysayers are willing to think for themselves and venture any thoughts about the technical merits of Risch's idea. The simple possibility that Risch's approach might prove to provide another measurement aspect that could help to quantify the sound of a component is reason enough to be excited about it. But, drawing that conclusion relies on independent thinking instead of on edicts from external authorities, so maybe I shouldn't be surprised about the lack of response."

I guess insults are fine if he (or jon) throws them.

...looks like he got just what he asked for and now can't stand the heat.

Watch it Bruce. That's a pretty itchy delete finger he's got there.

...I wonder if the other mods are still watching this thread here at this site. I know they were at one point.

[FLZapped]

"Isn't this the guy who started the "MTRYCRAFTS IS AN IDIOT" thread a few months ago?"

Thanks for the reminder, I'll go look and see if that isn't still in the archives!

-Bruce
(Beginning to feel like the dog again)

[FLZapped]

"Isn't this the guy who started the "MTRYCRAFTS IS AN IDIOT" thread a few months ago?"

Thanks for the reminder, I'll go look and see if that isn't still in the archives!

-Bruce
(Beginning to feel like the dog again)


Nope, it was 996Turbo, also a moderator, who personally attacked a member and allowed others to as well, until Chris stepped in and closed the thread.

-Bruce

[Resident Loser]

...one of 'em is the self-proclaimed "big cheese"( el queso grande) and another is "super moderator"...but no, no, no...it's not a power trip...yeah, right...by your words they shall know you...

jimHJJ(...or sumphin' like dat...)

[WmAx]

Yep, same old Risch. If my memory serves me; he was always "shocked" and "suprised" that not everyone would buy his *bologna sandwhiches. The bad thing here is that now the AR moderation is stocking some of his product on their shelves; and seem to think it's good eatin' ! :eek:

Please excuse me; I have to vomit.

-Chris

*Note: I am not nesecarrily referring to the linked post. I am referring to the user in general, based on past observations.

It does seem that all the moderaters weigh in strongly on one side of the yea/nay fence, doesn't it?

After all, this mod started this thread just to cause trouble. It started out pretty sanely but, in post three of this thread he came out swinging.

"I'm just shocked that no naysayers are willing to think for themselves and venture any thoughts about the technical merits of Risch's idea. The simple possibility that Risch's approach might prove to provide another measurement aspect that could help to quantify the sound of a component is reason enough to be excited about it. But, drawing that conclusion relies on independent thinking instead of on edicts from external authorities, so maybe I shouldn't be surprised about the lack of response."

I guess insults are fine if he (or jon) throws them.

...looks like he got just what he asked for and now can't stand the heat.

Watch it Bruce. That's a pretty itchy delete finger he's got there.

...I wonder if the other mods are still watching this thread here at this site. I know they were at one point.

[markw]

RE: The Jon Risch Distortion methon thread, which Bruce and Jneutron (I can spell that) mentioned.

One of the other mods got wise and closed that thread after seeing that it was going nowhere. Winning or losing was not the case. Jon will never admit defeat and neither will the numerous ones who don't buy into what he's selling.

Now it seems that the almighty ToddB deleted everything below Jon's last post, reopened the thread and is again threatening to delete any posts he doesn't like. If you want to fall down and worship at the alter with TobbB, feel free to post.

So, it's now at the point where ToddB will delete another mod's post if he doesn't like it. It's nice to know the mods there speak with one voice.

Dr Franekstein, your monster's loose in the city. ("That's FRONKENSTEIN!!!)

[Unregistered]

RE: The Jon Risch Distortion methon thread, which Bruce and Jneutron (I can spell that) mentioned.

One of the other mods got wise and closed that thread after seeing that it was going nowhere. Winning or losing was not the case. Jon will never admit defeat and neither will the numerous ones who don't buy into what he's selling.

Now it seems that the almighty ToddB deleted everything below Jon's last post, reopened the thread and is again threatening to delete any posts he doesn't like. If you want to fall down and worship at the alter with TobbB, feel free to post.

So, it's now at the point where ToddB will delete another mod's post if he doesn't like it. It's nice to know the mods there speak with one voice.

Dr Franekstein, your monster's loose in the city. ("That's FRONKENSTEIN!!!)

How sweet of your to notice. I've had him delete posts in other threads that were quite valid, but he just didn't agree with them. I think it's time to write to Chris.

-Bruce

[FLZapped]

Well, I now see the JR thread is closed. It's a shame that the moderators are doing their best to make the place as useless as possible. -Bruce:eek:

[mtrycrafts]

Well, I now see the JR thread is closed. It's a shame that the moderators are doing their best to make the place as useless as possible. -Bruce:eek:

You guys who still post there should just quietly depart, unnoticed, and let that place just collapse. I think you will find enough to post here on :D

[Resident Loser]

...the AR deletists strike again...

The entire thread "What makes a good cable?" posted by Bill L(which as I recall was locked and then unlocked) has now been zapped...no explanation, no threatening PMs...apparently the AR mods motto is "if ya can't beat it, delete it"...

I'm also gettin' a feelin' that English may be a second language to some and it's correct usage is a deep, dark mystery...yet we are somehow able to discern the subtle nuances imparted by use of a cable cooker!!! Fancy that!

jimHJJ(...as I said in the thread "just so much hooey"...)

[FLZapped]

You guys who still post there should just quietly depart, unnoticed, and let that place just collapse. I think you will find enough to post here on :D


Naw, I'm gonna make the "illigetimate children" ban me first.

-Bruce :eek:

[Swerd]

You guys who still post there should just quietly depart, unnoticed, and let that place just collapse.

I agree with mtrycrafts - just depart and let that place collapse. At first I didn't want to do that. I liked reading many of the posts there. We all had our different reasons for going there. But they're gone now.

Obviously some of you like to argue with the committed opposition (or at least some who ought to be committed :D). I always avoided that, believing that "when you wrestle with a t*rd, it doesn't matter whether you win or loose, you still end up with sh*t all over you". But I encourage you to continue sparring with the likes of JR. It is basically harmless fun, but soon becomes boring because of the lengthy and incoherent posts. Does anyone actually read all of JR's posts? He lost me a long time ago.

But the new moderators, with all their deletions, have changed all that. They have changed the rules so that its like a poker game where the dealer wins and the winner deals. It's time to walk away and recreate here or somewhere else, all the things that once made that forum a good place.

[FLZapped]

I agree with mtrycrafts - just depart and let that place collapse. At first I didn't want to do that. I liked reading many of the posts there. We all had our different reasons for going there. But they're gone now.

Obviously some of you like to argue with the committed opposition (or at least some who ought to be committed :D). I always avoided that, believing that "when you wrestle with a t*rd, it doesn't matter whether you win or loose, you still end up with sh*t all over you". But I encourage you to continue sparring with the likes of JR. It is basically harmless fun, but soon becomes boring because of the lengthy and incoherent posts. Does anyone actually read all of JR's posts? He lost me a long time ago.

But the new moderators, with all their deletions, have changed all that. They have changed the rules so that its like a poker game where the dealer wins and the winner deals. It's time to walk away and recreate here or somewhere else, all the things that once made that forum a good place.


I suppose we could all go pile over on AA and irritate them some now.
hahahhahahhahahahahahhahha.....

I know, I'm an ornery old cuss.

-Bruce :eek:
(Man, I still love that eek.....)

[FLZapped]

RE: The Jon Risch Distortion methon thread, which Bruce and Jneutron (I can spell that) mentioned.

One of the other mods got wise and closed that thread after seeing that it was going nowhere. Winning or losing was not the case. Jon will never admit defeat and neither will the numerous ones who don't buy into what he's selling.

Now it seems that the almighty ToddB deleted everything below Jon's last post, reopened the thread and is again threatening to delete any posts he doesn't like. If you want to fall down and worship at the alter with TobbB, feel free to post.

So, it's now at the point where ToddB will delete another mod's post if he doesn't like it. It's nice to know the mods there speak with one voice.

Dr Franekstein, your monster's loose in the city. ("That's FRONKENSTEIN!!!)

Todd was stripped of his moderating powers and it looks like he decided to delete his membership too.

-Bruce :eek:

[Swerd]

Todd was stripped of his moderating powers and it looks like he decided to delete his membership too.

ToddB was particularly obnoxious. He won't be missed. How did you learn this?

[markw]

At least the part about his no longer being a moderator. Dunno about that membership thing though.

He's a perfect example of giving power to someone who cannot handle it. With privelege goes responsibility and this guy jus t didn't get it. He saw being a moderator as a mandate to force his will on others, even the other moderaters.

This gives me some small hope that AR might mot be totally dead but, all in all, I think I like it better here anyway. The fact that such an infection was left to fester this long causes me more than a little concern.

[mtrycrafts]

Does anyone actually read all of JR's posts? He lost me a long time ago.

I think he is a frustrated writer who coudn't make it and stumbled into audio? He certainly writes tomes and boring ones at that. No, I rarely read then especially when they were so long.

[FLZapped]

At least the part about his no longer being a moderator. Dunno about that membership thing though.



I checked the membership list. Not there. -Bruce

[FLZapped]

ToddB was particularly obnoxious. He won't be missed. How did you learn this?


It was in a post by Ericl over in the Off Topic forum.

-Bruce :eek:

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Well,

I got a PM from ericl whinning about me for pointing out to "hertz" that his "experience" can't be repeated without some controls...sheesh.

Wouldn't be so bad if he had decided not to use words like childish and my position being junk in his PM....

-Bruce :eek:

[markw]

Their cable forum is subjectivity driven. This guy blipped my radar when he said that "the differences are night and day". Virtually everyone, objectivest and subjectivest alike, will allow that any differences in cables are subtle at best and, even then, extremely system dependent.

The fact that he stated the difference is "night and day" without any qualifiers simply means that he chooses to use that forum as a bully pulpit. Unless he's willing to take it over the the "audio lab" where the truth can be discussed objectively (pun intended), there's no way they will allow a rebuttal to that nonsense. Check and mate!

IMNSHO, a lot of AA alumni will be using this tactic soon to proselytise. Then again, there's no written law against linking to this post from there, is there? Kinda like what I did with that power cable yahoo. :rolleyes:

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there's no written law against linking to this post from there, is there? Kinda like what I did with that power cable yahoo. :rolleyes:

I don't think there is, I have linked stuff from AA. -Bruce

[Westrock2000]

I don't really like how at avsforum.com, you can't say the names of sellers or their prices, unless their the companies that advertise on AVS. Yet the companies that advertise on AVS mostly cater to high end stuff, so it makes it difficult to really do good research their.

I've had posts deleted there because I mentioned prices that I paid or where I got them, or where poeple could buy things....their usually a little leniant in the DIY section though. But still its stupid, because its a discussion forum.



Ultimatly, its just a message board though...no ones pride is really injured, and if you get owned, then move on....or just private message the person (if allowed on the site) so at least they find out what you needed to say.

[mtrycrafts]

I don't really like how at avsforum.com, you can't say the names of sellers or their prices, unless their the companies that advertise on AVS. Yet the companies that advertise on AVS mostly cater to high end stuff, so it makes it difficult to really do good research their.

I've had posts deleted there because I mentioned prices that I paid or where I got them, or where poeple could buy things....their usually a little leniant in the DIY section though. But still its stupid, because its a discussion forum.



Ultimatly, its just a message board though...no ones pride is really injured, and if you get owned, then move on....or just private message the person (if allowed on the site) so at least they find out what you needed to say.


Looks like they cater to their advertisers only, not truths, informed choices, etc.