Need super sounding bookshelf speakers help!!

[sailfish]

Ive been following your threads for a couple of weeks. The wife says new music now! We havent had a decent sound system in years. Now I find out that there is more than just stereo. So I'm lost. Music is definatly our priority, But we recently bought a new samsung 42 inch LCD tv so we would probably want to hook that up as well. We have a smallish house so we dont want anything very big. I have been reading your posts about bookshelf speakers so I want to start here and then you can tell me what to drive them with. We listen to Jazz, Blues, some classical and some rock. No hip hop and no heavy metal. I would like a set up that sounds really good a low volume. I want to do this without breaking the bank ,but I want something that sounds really good. There arent any good audio stores near me so I will order from some of these independent companies on the net. I will have to depend on your many varied opinions about the sound of various speakers. Since I'm starting from scratch they will all sound good to me. ok....hear is a list of bookshelves that I have gleaned from your threads. I might include a sub woofer if necessary. list to follow

[mazersteven]

Don't know what budget your working with, but from your musical tastes I will recommend these

Ascend Acoustics
SIERRA-1
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRM1/srm1.html

Or
Ascend Acoustics
CMT-340 SE
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cmt340m/cmt340m.html

Audio Insider
Dana 630
http://www.theaudioinsider.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_25&products_id=32

Audio Insider
HiVi D2.1SE
http://www.theaudioinsider.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_23&products_id=69

SVS
MBS-01
http://www.svsound.com/products-spks-mts01.cfm

[sailfish]

The List: Aperion 632-Lr, Epos ELS-3, Acend CBM 170, AV1 Onix Ref 1(Ouch! may be more than Papas Bank will allow), AV123 X-LS, Swan Dana 630, axiom M22v2.......ok, this is my starting list. as you have probably noticed there is a huge divergence in price: Ref 1 $1200 pair and av123 X-ls $239 pair and so on. I want some really good sounding speakers but I want value. I dont want to spend a grand is I can get something comparable for $500.....you get the idea. So what do you like from the list? Feel free to add others ....thanks in advance

[sailfish]

wow Mazer steven!!!!! man that was fast!!

[j_garcia]

I haven't heard the Sierras, but I'd second the CMT-340SEs, which are also on sale I believe.

[Soundman]

Are looks important to you? I assume it would be if the WAF is involved, which it sounds like it is. I would reccomend the Sierra's over the 340's. They are a lot prettier. :) The 340's are also more like a mini tower. They are both nice sounding speakers though. Look, if you're going the Ascend route, just get the Sierra's. :D:D

[John Bailey]

I've not had a chance to audition any of the internet companies. Of the speakers I like, I usually suggest PSB Image B25, B&W 600 series and Monitor Audio Bronze 2RB. If you've got a little more money to spend, I would look at Focal JM Labs Chorus lines, both 700 and 800, the B&W 700 series and the Monitor Audio Silver. I think any of these, and the other suggestions, would give you excellent music. To my ears, the Focal JM Labs have the best sound. I couldn't hear much difference, if any, between the 700 and 800 series, but I love the looks of the 800's.

I would also suggest, if you are looking at mostly music, and you have a small room, that you stick to stereo for the time being. Although, when it comes time to pick and amp, if you think you're going to move to any type of surround sound, go with a decent 5.1 (at least) receiver. A decent one with 80-100 watts per channel will power any of the speakers that have been listed.

John

[ParadigmDawg]

No way you would be in the wrong with the Sierra's, they are sweet!

[Soundman]

No way you would be in the wrong with the Sierra's, they are sweet!

Agreed. And very pretty compared to the 340SE's. :)

[gus6464]

Monitor Audio GR10 ($999)
http://www.saturdayaudio.com/

Totem Rainmaker
http://www.totemacoustic.com/us/products/compact/rainmaker/

B&W CM1
http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/display.aspx?infid=1065&sc=hf

Epos M-12.2
http://www.epos-acoustics.com/product_view.asp?name=m12.2

Since your budget is pretty healthy I would suggest you go out and listen to various speakers as you have quite a bit of options at your price range.

[gus6464]

I would also say something about these but Steven would be all over me.

They are bookselves though..http://s221.photobucket.com/albums/dd47/greggable/?action=view&current=IMG_0737.jpg

Paradigm Studio 40's! Another great addition to the list.

[ParadigmDawg]

Glad you said it, I dont want to be a fanboy:DParadigm Studio 40's! Another great addition to the list.

[Guangui]

It's a long thread, so don't know if these were mentioned, if they were well here is another vote for them (all under $500.00):

PSB Image B25

Monitor Audio Silver Bronze Series

PSB Alpha B1

Monitor Audio Silver S2

Paradigm Titan Monitor

Usher S-520

Aperion 532-LR

Swan Diva 2.1

Triangle Titus ES

Triangle Stella ES

Triangle Comete 202

* Triangle is French speaker very highly rated, and very popular in Europe.

Some of these speakers are $500.00 or less, because they are on sale, so when they're gone the sale is over.

[sailfish]

Thanks guys.........I'm thinking that i might like to hold the main speaker cost down to $500 or so......is that too little? And If i go stereo instead of A/v, can I hook my tv up and will it sound good also?....sorry about my ignorance.

[ParadigmDawg]

Give this a read.
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/bookshelf/bookshelf-speaker-faceoff-2007

[Guangui]

Thanks guys.........I'm thinking that i might like to hold the main speaker cost down to $500 or so......is that too little? And If i go stereo instead of A/v, can I hook my tv up and will it sound good also?....sorry about my ignorance.

Only your pocket knows if $500.00 is sufficient or not. You can find good deals for $500.00 (I gave you a short list, and Greg gave you some reading material with more), but you have to look for them. Also, it would be nice if you go out and audition see what brands you liked. PSB for example tries hard to give all their speaker series SQ characteristics that define PSB as a brand. Monitor Audio does something similar, so does KEF, and others.

Yes, your TV will sound good in stereo, but not DVD movies or HD channels that broadcast 5.1. Start with a simple set up, look for good speakers on sale, as an example (I appologize for the constant mention):

PSB B25 $299.00/pr. (maple color only)
PSB C40 $219.00 (maple only)
PSB Alpha LR $129.00/pr. (any color)

For $647.00 you have an excellent start-up system, add $250.00 for a good sub, doesn't have to be great to start with. Or look for offerings from a company like Aperion that allows you to audition, and return in 30 days, if you don't like their speakers; and they pay freight both ways. Their Intimus 422 Harmony is $799.00 with sub. After you feel comfortable to upgrade, then do so, by then you will have acquired sufficient understanding as to know what you look for in speakers, and how much they are valued at.

I like PSB, because I feel you the most from your money. But, there are other brands out there that do the same.

[mazersteven]

Are we just recommending speakers we like, or speakers that will work well with the music the OP listens to? :eek: :rolleyes:

[silversurfer]

Thanks guys.........I'm thinking that i might like to hold the main speaker cost down to $500 or so......is that too little? And If i go stereo instead of A/v, can I hook my tv up and will it sound good also?....sorry about my ignorance.
At $500/pr, that does narrow your choices, but I think you will still find something you like. There are a lot of great values in that segment. The key, as some are pointing out, is to have a listen to as many as you can.

[cbraver]

Super sounding..hm...

I'd recommend demoing Dynaudio Audience 42s:
http://www.dynaudio.com/eng/systems/lines/audience/audience42.php

Their review page:
http://www.dynaudiousa.com/products/review/mreview.htm

They list higher than your budget, but once you talked to dealer down it would probably be pretty close.

They need some juice to come alive, which could cost more when I came to buying electronics, depending on the route you went (there are some inexpensive powerful amplifiers, they just don't have a high WAF).

Go demo them and see how you like 'em!

[Davemcc]

I need to suggest the Era D4 or the D5. I listened to the Epos, Triangle and Paradigm Studios before I bought the D5 and couldn't be happier. Even as I continue to audition speakers every chance I get, nothing has made me second guess the Era.

[gus6464]

At his price range I recommend these 2:

Totem Dreamcatcher
Epos M5

Can't go wrong with either but I lean more toward the M5.

[sailfish]

thanks again....I might give up a few more fun tickets than 500.....one big problem I have is that there aren't many audio places where I live. I'll probably have to buy blind. I'm depending on you to be my ears. aesthetics is a big deal too. The wife and I were talking this am and we think we will probably want to add more surround sound speakers so I'll have to consider that in receiver choice. Thanks again, your help is immeasurable.

[sailfish]

gus....can you buy these speakers direct?

[mazersteven]

gus....can you buy these speakers direct?

I don't think most of these guys read your statement "there arent any good audio stores near me so I will order from some of these independent companies on the net". :eek:

[cbraver]

I don't think most of these guys read your statement "there arent any good audio stores near me so I will order from some of these independent companies on the net". :eek:

I think most of us read it, it's that these independent companies on the net aren't neccessarly the way to go, and it's a bad idea to order blind. Unless he is really in the boonies, there is probably some hifi stores within a drive, even if it's a sorta long one. If not, maybe ordering from a place that will let him demo first would be the best idea. Since he has a WAF too, it would be a good idea for her to see them in person rather than in a picture.

thanks again....I might give up a few more fun tickets than 500.....one big problem I have is that there aren't many audio places where I live. I'll probably have to buy blind. I'm depending on you to be my ears. aesthetics is a big deal too. The wife and I were talking this am and we think we will probably want to add more surround sound speakers so I'll have to consider that in receiver choice. Thanks again, your help is immeasurable.

I really don't recommend buying without listening first. Some direct sellers allow for in-home trials, which is great because it allows you to listen to the speakers where they will actually be, but I wouldn't buy blind. Most people who responded in here own different equipment, meaning we all have different tastes.

Speakers aren't like mp3 players, computers, pre-amps and other electronics that eventually die and/or become outdated. The speakers you buy now could very well be with you for years and years, so take some time to demo, even if it means taking some drives.

Please don't buy blind! You should demo many speakers before actually buying one. Have fun with it, audio retailers are used to people demoing stuff. Bring your own CDs, try speakers with different amps, and so on.

Best of luck!

[gus6464]

I don't think most of these guys read your statement "there arent any good audio stores near me so I will order from some of these independent companies on the net". :eek:

You can buy Epos all over the internet but Totem you cannot.

www.musicdirect.com
www.elusivedisc.com
www.digitalcraze.com
http://decibelchicago.stores.yahoo.net/index.html

Even ebay as well just search around for best price.

[mazersteven]

Please don't buy blind! You should demo many speakers before actually buying one. Have fun with it, audio retailers are used to people demoing stuff. Bring your own CDs, try speakers with different amps, and so on.

Best of luck!

Just keep in mind that speakers "Will" sound different once you get them home. Yes you can get a basic idea what they "May" sound like in your home by demoing in the store. Doesn't matter if you purchase in-store or internet direct you still will have the option to return the speakers if they are not to your satisfaction.

So either way you are purchasing "Blind".

[Davemcc]

I have auditioned the Epos M5 back to back with the Era D4. To me, the Era was the hands down winner. In this range, the Era are very much worth your time to audition. If finding a dealer is an issue, you can contact David Solomon @ davids@signalpathint.com to arrange for a 30 day in-home trial. Here's their site: http://www.signalpathint.com/index.php/Comparative/era-Speakers.html

If WAF is a factor and you need a beautiful furniture quality finish, that's another reason to have a look.

[Soundman]

Have you read the bookshelf speaker faceoff from this past August? It's an interesting read: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/bookshelf/bookshelf-speaker-faceoff-2007

[sailfish]

You guys are really great! The wife is a rocker.....I'm the one that wants a nice looking unit. I live in a fairly small metropolitan area but I cant find many audio stores. We have all the large box stores but I've found it virtually impossible to listen in these. As soon as you start to audition something, some 15 year old kid cranks up something near by. Most of the independent dealers around here don't even have show rooms. They just go out and wire all the new big ticket houses who's owners probably don't know anything about audio. Back in the day I remember listening to many speakers. I much prefered JBL to Advent. After years without quality audio we finally decided to treat ourselves. The idea was to give each other audio for Christmas. Here it is at the end of January. I think the wife might believe that this was just a ruse the get out of buying her a Christmas present!!!! I am headed to the "bookshelf speaker face off" right now...thanks

[Davidt1]

I have auditioned the Epos M5 back to back with the Era D4. To me, the Era was the hands down winner. In this range, the Era are very much worth your time to audition. If finding a dealer is an issue, you can contact David Solomon @ davids@signalpathint.com to arrange for a 30 day in-home trial. Here's their site: http://www.signalpathint.com/index.php/Comparative/era-Speakers.html

If WAF is a factor and you need a beautiful furniture quality finish, that's another reason to have a look.

Magazine reviewers seem to be impressed by the Era D4. I wonder how they would have done in the Audioholics review. I like their look, small size and the fact that a matching center speaker is available. Too bad they don't come in silver.

[sailfish]

the Eras are really good looking. Has anyone else heard these speakers? I am beginning to realize that I'll probably have to start with a couple of fronts and a sub if I want the full sound.
then maybe I could add the center and the surrounds later. Does this sound like a feasible plan?

[mazersteven]

I would purchase the front 3 first. JMO Then surrounds, and then subwoofer. The sub could be the most costly purchase depending on room size.

[Guangui]

When sailfish said his wife was a rocker, don't know why, but I knew the brand JBL would pop somewhere.

[dronezero]

I have the eras as well and am very happy. I went with the D5 instead of the D4s because I am not running them with a sub. They are very good for the price. I A/B them with the B&W CM1's and I slightly preferred the eras. They had a more realistic sound to them in my ears. The CM1 seemed to have smoother vocals, but I felt it wasn't a natural smoothness. I noticed this in other aspects as well that for instance a note from a guitar might be missing a bit of the edge on the CM1 that was present on eras.

edit: And there is no question that the eras are beautiful. I went with the rosewood which is gorgeous.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/dronezero/avsetup030.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v356/dronezero/avsetup014.jpg

[sailfish]

dronezero.........what do you have pushing them?....I was reading that they really need the power.

[cbraver]

I think starting off with the L & R s plus a subwoofer is a good idea. While they wait on the rest, the subwoofer will make movies and music more enjoyable. But, that depends largely on the room, as mazersteven said. If it's a big room and you want big bass, the subwoofer will be expensive and in that case maybe buying the L,C,R's first will be a good route. You said you had a smallish house, so, maybe a quality subwoofer for your application is already within budget.

What's your room size?

[mazersteven]

dronezero.........what do you have pushing them?....I was reading that they really need the power.

From the specs it looks like they do.

[dronezero]

dronezero.........what do you have pushing them?....I was reading that they really need the power.
Well I have the D5s which are 3db more sensitive than the D4s. But to drive the D5s I am using an Emotiva BPA-1 which delivers 50w/ch. I sit about 6 feet away from them and listen at levels below 85db. I tried another BPA-1 and bridged them both so that they were delivering 150w/ch and sitting that close and at the volume I didn't notice any difference. When I A/B'd the D4, D5, and B&W CM1 they were being driven by an Integra DTM 5.3 which is 100w/ch and they didn't seem to be struggling at all.

[Davemcc]

I ran my D5's without any problems with my Denon 2307. I like my music loud and they sounded good. Any decent mid-level receiver should be fine, say an Onkyo 805, etc. If your wife is a rocker, she might appreciate the D5 over the D4, although it's a bit more money. It's a little fuller sounding with a stronger bottom end, easy to integrate with a sub. I've said it before, I pound the living crap out of these speakers with everything from Metallica to Rage Against The Machine, Black Label Society, Rush, Black Sabbath, etc. and they take whatever I throw at them and keep sounding great the whole time.

I did have the chance to borrow a good external amp to test it out and did see some improvement at really high volume, but you don't need it especially if you're going to use a sub. Down the road, if you wanted to add an external amp, you can be confident that they will take the power you want to throw at them with no trouble.

[sailfish]

Ok.....over the last 24 hours have have done some serious reading. Here is where I am now. I want some good power. I seem to come back to the Onkyo TX-rs805. would this be a good choice or should I try to piece together a component system? Obviously my original budget has gone out the window. For speakers I like the ascend seirra 1. I know there are many others. I might even go higher on the speakers. I want something small that sounds really good. Good aesthetics are a plus too. since i like jazz, a good low end would probably mean a sub. I now realize this thing will require some serious fun tickets......Now that Im in the upgrade mode what do you think? My living room is full of furniture so I dont want huge towers and such.....thanks

[mazersteven]

I might even go higher on the speakers. I want something small that sounds really good. Good aesthetics are a plus too. since i like jazz, a good low end would probably mean a sub. I now realize this thing will require some serious fun tickets......Now that Im in the upgrade mode what do you think?

Jazz like you've never heard it before.

AV123 Strata Mini's
http://www.av123.com/products_product.php?section=speakers&product=78.1

[sailfish]

Man.....Steve.....I have the bucks.....I just dont have the room!!!! any other ideas?? I like where this is going.

[mazersteven]

Man.....Steve.....I have the bucks.....I just dont have the room!!!! any other ideas?? I like where this is going.

You have the room. Make room. You'll save on having to purchase a sub. Don't be a wuss. Do it. :D

I can't express how good I think these speakers are. Here they are in my house.

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/mazersteven/AV123StrataMini011.jpg

[majorloser]

Not only sound good, but with looks that will knock your socks off. :cool:

http://www.salksound.com/home.shtml

http://www.salksound.com/gallery.shtml

(Sorry Mazer, I wasn't that inmpressed with the Mini Stratas)

[mazersteven]

(Sorry Mazer, I wasn't that impressed with the Mini Stratas)

And knowing your taste in sound I'm surprised. I was really impressed with the clarity, and detail of the highs and mids.

Sade sounded like she was singing to me. :)

[sailfish]

Steve........I really dont have the room. I have a couple of really small houses. Ive got to fit em in someway. I really love your passion.......feed me something smaller.

[gus6464]

Following majorloser's recommendation:

Veracity HT1
http://www.salksound.com/ht1.shtml

http://www.salksound.com/gallery/RMAF/HT1-camphorburl.jpg

These are some other ID speakers that are very popular with 2ch applications.

NSM Model 10S
http://www.nsmaudio.com/brochures/10sbroc.html

http://www.nsmaudio.com/10s-edit6.gif

[cbraver]

Man.....Steve.....I have the bucks.....I just dont have the room!!!! any other ideas?? I like where this is going.

Post a picture of your to-be listening space/room with all the clutter, and we'll tell you what to get rid of to make room for your speakers. ;)

In all seriousness, a satelite-sub system will be great.

As far as you wanting big power: If the Onkyo isn't enough power, you can always use the pre-outs in the future to add amplifiers.

[stratman]

You guys are really great! The wife is a rocker.....I'm the one that wants a nice looking unit. I live in a fairly small metropolitan area but I cant find many audio stores. We have all the large box stores but I've found it virtually impossible to listen in these. As soon as you start to audition something, some 15 year old kid cranks up something near by. Most of the independent dealers around here don't even have show rooms. They just go out and wire all the new big ticket houses who's owners probably don't know anything about audio. Back in the day I remember listening to many speakers. I much prefered JBL to Advent. After years without quality audio we finally decided to treat ourselves. The idea was to give each other audio for Christmas. Here it is at the end of January. I think the wife might believe that this was just a ruse the get out of buying her a Christmas present!!!! I am headed to the "bookshelf speaker face off" right now...thanks


Another brand wich you might try is Gallo, they're round bookshelf speakers that provide great perfromance for the money, or Orb speakers which are similar in performance and cost a bit less. I happen to own the Gallos and I'm very happy with their performance, remember these are designed for smalish spaces. Check out: www.roundsound.com

[sailfish]

cbraver........maybe I could get rid of the wife and the dog!.....gee why didnt I think of that before!........are the orbs that good for music?.......kewl

[mazersteven]

cbraver........maybe I could get rid of the wife and the dog!.....gee why didnt I think of that before!........are the orbs that good for music?.......kewl

OMG we go from Ascend Sierra-1's to talking about Orbs. :rolleyes:

[ParadigmDawg]

Might as well go back to the Bose:D;)OMG we go from Ascend Sierra-1's to talking about Orbs. :rolleyes:

[majorloser]

There's always the MB Quartz ALEXXA B-Ones:

http://store.audioholics.com/product/785/19/mb-quart-alexxa-b-one-cherry-w-black

And I believe they are on sale :rolleyes:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=361320#post361320

[adwilk]

I personally havent had the opportunity to listen to many of the speakers listed in this thread, i have listened to some. My parents were in a similar situation with their main living room where entertaining and whatnot takes place. They share similar musical tastes as the OP. One thing i noticed in the post was for a good sounding speaker at low volumes. The Klipsch RB61 was a perfect fit. VERY Dynamic at low levels. The new line of reference speakers are significantly less "bright" than the previous models. Very detailed and impress most that hear them...

[gus6464]

There's always the MB Quartz ALEXXA B-Ones:

http://store.audioholics.com/product/785/19/mb-quart-alexxa-b-one-cherry-w-black

And I believe they are on sale :rolleyes:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=361320#post361320

Is that per pair or each?

[3db]

Ive been following your threads for a couple of weeks. The wife says new music now! We havent had a decent sound system in years. Now I find out that there is more than just stereo. So I'm lost. Music is definatly our priority, But we recently bought a new samsung 42 inch LCD tv so we would probably want to hook that up as well. We have a smallish house so we dont want anything very big. I have been reading your posts about bookshelf speakers so I want to start here and then you can tell me what to drive them with. We listen to Jazz, Blues, some classical and some rock. No hip hop and no heavy metal. I would like a set up that sounds really good a low volume. I want to do this without breaking the bank ,but I want something that sounds really good. There arent any good audio stores near me so I will order from some of these independent companies on the net. I will have to depend on your many varied opinions about the sound of various speakers. Since I'm starting from scratch they will all sound good to me. ok....hear is a list of bookshelves that I have gleaned from your threads. I might include a sub woofer if necessary. list to follow

I've read thru this thread and I have a couple of questions; of all the NON internet brands mentioned here, how many are carried in your area by the audio dealers that you have? Have you tried to audtition them? If so, did you bring material you are very familiar with? Could you provide us a list of the speaker brands that you can get thru local dealers?

The other option you have is thru the internet as many here have mentioned. If you don't mind repacking and paying shipping in alot of cases if something doesn't turn out, then thats a viable option.

[Davemcc]

I now realize this thing will require some serious fun tickets......Now that Im in the upgrade mode what do you think?

It will be a lot cheaper to upgrade now, before you've bought anything, than to buy something and replace it because you're unhappy with it. The upfront cost may be higher but if you choose wisely, it's a one time deal.

[mazersteven]

The problem now is, Sailfish is totally confused. :confused: He has read, and been recommended to many options. That his head is in a tail-spin.

http://www.iusd.org/pv/images/confused.jpg

[sailfish]

3db......I have found one audio dealer in my area. I'm headed over there now. I believe the have totem and I'm not sure what else. I might also try to brave the box stores again. after today I should have a list....

Mazer........couldnt I just dangle ten or twelve of those little orbs everywhere?...or maybe make a mobile out of em?.....just kidding..

[sailfish]

well I just returned from the only audio place I have found in an area of more than 350000 people. There was a conference going on in the main sound room so the guy took me back to another room and I listened to a pair of B&W tower speakers. I think they were 803s. Sounded great. Maybe some of you know where I could get a deal on a set. This guy wanted 8 grand (I think a stripper must have been included). Just a little more than I have budgeted at this time. I'll go back later and listen to some bookshelves he had. I did find out one thing. I cant tolerate high levels of sound. I have a bad ear from nerve damage in my head and anything too noisy sounds muddled. I need something that sounds good at low levels.

[furrycute]

I think that price sounds about right for the 803. Maybe you can knock off 10% or so.

Were there a pair of 802D's for comparison? That is an AWESOME speaker! Well worth the price.

Also don't forget. To properly drive those monsters you need some high end amp/preamp. Those don't come cheap.

[furrycute]

What is your budget?

Saturday Audio (store is in Chicago, they also do internet sales, do a search on google) is having a sale on PSB speakers.

The PSB Image T65 might just be what you are looking for. These are full range speakers (well, not as full range as the B&W 803, that's for sure). And a pair of T65 will only set you back about $1200 or so. There aren't many speakers in this price range that can trump the T65's.

Go to audioreview.com and do a search on the T65's. Many people have had very good experiences with this particular model. Plus they are easy to drive. A midrange receiver should be more than sufficient.


Also, take a look at the Yamaha Savo speakers on sale at the Audioholics store (yes, right here on this site). I've read a couple of reviews on that big tower. This is the best speaker Yamaha has brought out in years. Before anyone slams Yamaha for just okay speakers, remember, Yamaha made the NS-1000M speaker with that beryllium tweeter back in the 70's. That NS-1000M redefined what hifi was back then. Some people say that even today, the NS-1000M is still one of the best speakers EVER made. Give that big Savo tower a try. Yamaha knows their stuff.

[Guangui]

www.upscaleaudio.com, an authorized PSB dealer has a clearance sale going. They have PSB Image T65 at $719.00/pr. New A-Stock. Excellent price.

Saturday Audio, www.saturdayaudio.com, has excellent customer service and might be able to match or get close to that price.

[ParadigmDawg]

Why the heck would you listen to speakers that cost way more than you are willing to spend? Find all the speakers you can, in your price range and listen to those.

[Davemcc]

If you like the B&W, you probably would also like Focal.JMLabs. I've heard the Chorus 816v and it sounds pretty darn good for being a quarter the price.

http://www.dedicatedaudio.com/inc/sdetail/13210

[Guangui]

Why the heck would you listen to speakers that cost way more than you are willing to spend? Find all the speakers you can, in your price range and listen to those.

Because, as you know, people here start with $400.00 budget, and end up paying $2K. All thanks to us...:D

[sailfish]

Greg.......You didnt read my post close enough...THERE ARE VIRTUALLY NO AUDIO PLACES HERE......I live in a city of 300,000 or so and I'm telling you there isnt one good place. Most you the high end joint do upscale installs. This one plce where I heard the B&ws had a conference going on in there main show room so I couldnt demo the few speakers that they had. The had B&W, polk, and Klipch. I will go back later. This is a process for me. That is what you good people are here for, to speed this process up. I started off thinking that I needed Bookshelves with maybe a sub. Now I'm at least looking at towers. They have to have some visual appeal as well.

[sailfish]

Because, as you know, people here start with $400.00 budget, and end up paying $2K. All thanks to us...:D

You are sooo right

[mazersteven]

Why the heck would you listen to speakers that cost way more than you are willing to spend? Find all the speakers you can, in your price range and listen to those.


I disagree to a certain extent. The reason I disagree is if you audition some high end speakers you can get an audible idea what sounds good, and also what sound you like. Then when you audition speakers within your budget you can have a better idea on how well a speaker performs.

[ParadigmDawg]

Oh, ok...make sure I have this straight.

You either want a F-150 or a Chevy Colbalt. You know the truck can haul more but the cobalt will get better gas mileage. There are more things you like and dislike about each model but they end up in a tie. You decide that the test drive will decide the final outcome so you go to the dealer and test drive a corvette. The test drive sums it up and you get the Colbalt...?I disagree to a certain extent. The reason I disagree is if you audition some high end speakers you can get an audible idea what sounds good, and also what sound you like. Then when you audition speakers within your budget you can have a better idea on how well a speaker performs.

[sailfish]

Jazz like you've never heard it before.

AV123 Strata Mini's
http://www.av123.com/products_product.php?section=speakers&product=78.1

how many of you have heard these speakers????.....I'm trying to get over the unusual look(for me, anyway).

[mazersteven]

Oh, ok...make sure I have this straight.

You either want a F-150 or a Chevy Colbalt. You know the truck can haul more but the cobalt will get better gas mileage. There are more things you like and dislike about each model but they end up in a tie. You decide that the test drive will decide the final outcome so you go to the dealer and test drive a corvette. The test drive sums it up and you get the Colbalt...?

Terrible Analogy

[ParadigmDawg]

:D It kind of gave me a laugh...Terrible Analogy

[Guangui]

Sailfish, read this thread:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39934

As you can see you can do very good with $299.00/pr. PSB B25 (If you want black it will cost around $325.00/pr.)

[sailfish]

Sailfish, read this thread:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=39934

As you can see you can do very good with $299.00/pr. PSB B25 (If you want black it will cost around $325.00/pr.)

read it thanks

[oldgringo]

how many of you have heard these speakers????.....I'm trying to get over the unusual look(for me, anyway):

AV123 Strata Mini's
http://www.av123.com/products_produc...s&product=78.1



. . . why sailfish? Do YOU like 'em? Does your favorite Rocker like 'em?

If it's "YES" maybe you should build your system around them???

Maybe you could pick the guy who's made the most sense to you, up to now; get on the old "PM" facility and co-design a system! Or even identify a trustworthy 'retail' adviser to help with that, now you have all that invaluable input. :)

og.

[vausa99]

Sail...I auditioned both the B&W CM1 and the 685. I much preferred the 685s. I am fortunate to have a high end store locally and could listen to them before hand. The 685s run around $650/pair which seems to be close to your $500/pair target. I definitely think they are worthy of consideration. They are quite lovely as well with the yellow kevlar cone and in the rich cherry finish. FYI, they are quite deep for a bookshelf.

Rob

[Guangui]

Sail...I auditioned both the B&W CM1 and the 685. I much preferred the 685s. I am fortunate to have a high end store locally and could listen to them before hand. The 685s run around $650/pair which seems to be close to your $500/pair target. I definitely think they are worthy of consideration. They are quite lovely as well with the yellow kevlar cone and in the rich cherry finish. FYI, they are quite deep for a bookshelf.

Rob

Close as in 23.1% ($150.00) higher than his budget, or part of his monthly electric bill, or two or three water bills higher, or two weeks of groceries??? 23.1% above his budget is a big deviation from it. Let's say you want to buy a 2008 Audi A4 1.8T, and it is $35,000.00, well if you upped your budget 23.1% you could buy a $45,513.00 2008 Audi A6. Only $10,513.00 more, what a bargain!!!:rolleyes:

Why is it so difficult to give advise within the OP's budget? There are great alternatives for $500.00 or less.

[nordhaven]

SR71 Kit – Complete with cabinets = $583.58

The ZA-SR71 kit includes everything you need for one pair of speakers, included assembled crossovers. A soldering iron/pen and screwdriver/drill are the only tools needed for assembly. As always, kit price as shown is the sum of the parts price with a 10% discount applied.

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35_40_402_408&products_id=8306

http://www.zaphaudio.com/SR71.html

You can get these in black ash, cherry or maple. Do not be worry about assembly they are very simple you just screw parts on and hook up the wires. It is just that simple. You can do it on your kitchen table in an hour!

Nothing in the commercial market in the sub $1,000 range is gonna come close to these in performance!! These are the brand of speakers that are used in the ultra high end boutique style equipment with outrageous price tags!

If you are not familiar with Seas speakers here is a link. They are top of the line! They are made in Norway and imported by only a few companies in the US. http://www.seas.no/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

[gus6464]

Sail...I auditioned both the B&W CM1 and the 685. I much preferred the 685s. I am fortunate to have a high end store locally and could listen to them before hand. The 685s run around $650/pair which seems to be close to your $500/pair target. I definitely think they are worthy of consideration. They are quite lovely as well with the yellow kevlar cone and in the rich cherry finish. FYI, they are quite deep for a bookshelf.

Rob

What was powering the CM1? Tons of power and placement is key to making the CM1's reach full potential.

[sailfish]

SR71 Kit – Complete with cabinets = $583.58

The ZA-SR71 kit includes everything you need for one pair of speakers, included assembled crossovers. A soldering iron/pen and screwdriver/drill are the only tools needed for assembly. As always, kit price as shown is the sum of the parts price with a 10% discount applied.

http://www.madisound.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=35_40_402_408&products_id=8306

http://www.zaphaudio.com/SR71.html

You can get these in black ash, cherry or maple. Do not be worry about assembly they are very simple you just screw parts on and hook up the wires. It is just that simple. You can do it on your kitchen table in an hour! Whose heard these puppies?

Nothing in the commercial market in the sub $1,000 range is gonna come close to these in performance!! These are the brand of speakers that are used in the ultra high end boutique style equipment with outrageous price tags!

If you are not familiar with Seas speakers here is a link. They are top of the line! They are made in Norway and imported by only a few companies in the US. http://www.seas.no/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1

very good Idea...I usually am up for anything like this. But for the first system in a long time , I think I'll just buy it, and sit back with a cold one and enjoy it! thanks, I will check it out though.

[sailfish]

Sail...I auditioned both the B&W CM1 and the 685. I much preferred the 685s. I am fortunate to have a high end store locally and could listen to them before hand. The 685s run around $650/pair which seems to be close to your $500/pair target. I definitely think they are worthy of consideration. They are quite lovely as well with the yellow kevlar cone and in the rich cherry finish. FYI, they are quite deep for a bookshelf.

Rob

Thanks rob.....after all this study trying to catch up on my audio education(me being an analog guy in a digital world) Ive decided to open up the bank vault and let the coins flow. At the moment I'm looking hard at sierra 1 speakers. Trying to find some sweet power to pair with them. I would like to stay 2 channel for a while. I'm trying to figure my options if I decide to go surround later......what I need to buy now versus later. Also if my tv programing will sound as good in stereo.

[mazersteven]

Close as in 23.1% ($150.00) higher than his budget, or part of his monthly electric bill, or two or three water bills higher, or two weeks of groceries??? 23.1% above his budget is a big deviation from it. Let's say you want to buy a 2008 Audi A4 1.8T, and it is $35,000.00, well if you upped your budget 23.1% you could buy a $45,513.00 2008 Audi A6. Only $10,513.00 more, what a bargain!!!:rolleyes:

Why is it so difficult to give advise within the OP's budget? There are great alternatives for $500.00 or less.

The guy has a right to give his opinion. :mad:

[gus6464]

The guy has a right to give his opinion. :mad:

Lol! :eek:

[Davemcc]

The guy has a right to give his opinion. :mad:

There's been so many people that realize they just can't get what they want for their initial budget. A broad array of choices can help a new buyer determine what he wants out of the system. Maybe the budget trumps other factors, maybe not. Up to the shopper to decide.

[mazersteven]

Up to the shopper to decide.

Exactly Right. :eek:

And thank you for your thoughts and opinions vausa99

[sailfish]

There's been so many people that realize they just can't get what they want for their initial budget. A broad array of choices can help a new buyer determine what he wants out of the system. Maybe the budget trumps other factors, maybe not. Up to the shopper to decide.

Broad array?????.....did you say "Broad array"? Ive been researching this for a couple of weeks now and I'm amazed and astounded by the choices there are. The last time I bought audio gear, 25 years ago, there were just a few brands that a recent collage graduate could afford. Back then you could walk into your local audio store and listen and buy. That's much harder to do now and if you have a good local audio place you are lucky. Thanks everyone. If I had something to listen to this wouldn't be so agonizing. has anyone had any experience with the high efficiency speakers like the Omegas? I have a pln down the road that might include an off grid home. In this scenario every amp of power is important. I know there are some aficionados that are running their systems with 5 watt amps.

[Guangui]

The guy has a right to give his opinion. :mad:

No one questions that...Anyone can give an opinion, but let's be real, the OP wanted advice, not opinions, and advice on his price range. It's not the same to say I heard or have X speaker, and it is $525.00, only $25.00 difference, and acceptable, but 23% higher, as in $150.00 more, that is not sound advise.

Mazer, don't know why you get mad, people comment about stuff we say all the time, and they have as much right to refute or comment on what we say, as viceversa. It is just a matter of how thick is your skin, but if you give advice or comment in a forum, be ready to have someone think differently and defend their position as why.

[Guangui]

There's been so many people that realize they just can't get what they want for their initial budget. A broad array of choices can help a new buyer determine what he wants out of the system. Maybe the budget trumps other factors, maybe not. Up to the shopper to decide.

Dave, actually 95% of the people here have that happen. But, why not offer him possibilities in his range prior to move him higher? Anyways, you are basically correct.

[mazersteven]

No one questions that...Anyone can give an opinion, but let's be real, the OP wanted advice, not opinions, and advice on his price range. It's not the same to say I heard or have X speaker, and it is $525.00, only $25.00 difference, and acceptable, but 23% higher, as in $150.00 more, that is not sound advise.


Forget 23% It's $150 bucks. IMO if you can't afford $150 over budget you don't need to be shopping for speakers. You need to save your cash for more important things like bills. :rolleyes:

My point is the guy gave advise for speakers that he auditioned, and was trying to help, and be a part of this community. And you come down on him. IMO he was giving a positive contribution to the forum.

[Guangui]

Forget 23% It's $150 bucks. IMO if you can't afford $150 over budget you don't need to be shopping for speakers. You need to save your cash for more important things like bills. :rolleyes:

My point is the guy gave advise for speakers that he auditioned, and was trying to help, and be a part of this community. And you come down on him. IMO he was giving a positive contribution to the forum.

I fully agree with you on the budget part, speakers are a luxury.

Positive contribution to the forum indeed, not to the OP...;) Anyways, everyone is entitled to an opinion, he gave his, I gave mine, you gave yours, that makes us family. And families many times disagree, but that doesn't mean they do not respect each other.

[sailfish]

hey I appreciate the advice from each and every one of you. And my budget has grown quite a bit!!!!!

[MUDSHARK]

This board will do that to a budget. Before mazer corrupted me I was just looking to buy some JBL's at Best Buy.:eek:

[Guangui]

hey I appreciate the advice from each and every one of you. And my budget has grown quite a bit!!!!!

I don't know why I always try so hard to give advise within the posted budget. This always happens!!! We have managed, once again, to steer someone into the right track to bankruptcy...:D

[Davemcc]

This board will do that to a budget. Before mazer corrupted me I was just looking to buy some JBL's at Best Buy.:eek:

No kidding. I started looking in the $600 range for a set of mains, but nothing "popped" for me. I ended up dropping $1,100 just for the mains. Like many others that break their budget for something special, I couldn't be happier.:)

[Reorx]

sailfish,
You mentioned that you were tight on space...
Have you looked into In-wall speakers, or partial in-walls? Audioholic's has reviewed a few of these speakers. It'd require some dry wall work, but you would keep your floor space.

If you get bookshelf speakers, in-walls, or floor standing, most of them below the $1000/pr price range will require a sub for the low frequencies. There are a few where you can get by with music without a sub, but for movies, you'll want one.

I read all the posts, and did not see you mention room size...ex: 20'x15'x8'? Or see a picture?

Reorx

[sailfish]

If you get bookshelf speakers, in-walls, or floor standing, most of them below the $1000/pr price range will require a sub for the low frequencies. There are a few where you can get by with music without a sub, but for movies, you'll want one.

I read all the posts, and did not see you mention room size...ex: 20'x15'x8'? Or see a picture?
movies are not an issue with me right now. I'm foermost interested in music.......so.......anyone here hear the proac tablette signature speakers???oh yeah,,,,,,,,,,well it says i have to lengthen it,mmmmm

Reorx[/QUOTE]

[Reorx]

Movies are not an issue with me right now. I'm foermost interested in music.......so.......anyone here hear the proac tablette signature speakers???oh yeah,,,,,,,,,,well it says i have to lengthen it,mmmmm
Proac review1 (http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue18/proactablette.htm)
Proac review2 (http://www.audioreview.com/mfr/proac/floorstanding-speakers/PRD_120475_1594crx.aspx)

What is your budget again?
From what I've seen, those Proac speakers seem to start out at around $1800/pair.

What country do you live in?
Some people here live in Canada, or Europe. Shipping and tariff costs, often changes peoples recommendations.

We all can recommend speakers until we're blue in the face. Until we get more specifics from you, we can't really narrow anything down. That is why people ask about room size, and a picture. To you, a 10k sqr foot room, may be considered small. We know that you have a smallish room, what kind of music you like to listen to, and that your budget used to be $500/pair.

For example:
-No in-wall speakers - I don't want to mess with my drywall.
-No subs - I have limited floor space.
-Speakers will go into a bookcase, or speakers can sit on the floor, or on stands. My bookcase is x inches deep...(this tells us that the bookshelf may need to be sealed or front ported).
-I currently have receiver X. - Some speakers may require external amps to power them.

I once was on a quest to find wife approved bookshelf speakers that sounded the most realistic, for under $1000. Of which were comparable to my 2001/2002 $2400/pair floor standing speakers. After 6+ months, I narrowed it down to Ascend, and RBH. The 2007 bookshelf review definitely helped. As well as listening to 50+ speakers.

[sailfish]

Reorx.....I've turned into a sound crazed irrational lunatic!!! At the beginning of this thread i was looking at $500 speakers. Your idea is right in line with mine. i have been looking at the Proac Tablette 50s. I am also looking at the Acoustic Zen Adagio. (i know....don't tell me, I am crazy). My room is accually about 24 ft long 15ft 4in wide and 9ft 3in tall for about 3400 cu ft. Where I will sit will put my back about 12 ft from the wall where the system will go. The rest of the room is dinning Do you think that is enough room for the adagios. iIve been looking in Audiogon at a lot of set up that people have and many of them seem to have very large setups in small spaces. The wife is excited about redecorating so i moving things around to accommodate the new sounds. I like acoustic music, jazz, blues, and rock at low volumes. I'm excited about classical music too. I love live classical, but i dont know that much about it. I spent a large part of my life playing acoustical guitar. I might even get the old reel to reel out! Thanks for your advise. I live in the US.

[MUDSHARK]

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3060000000058568.JPG?0.466539582001809 All the decorations needed:D

[sailfish]

http://img.engadget.com/common/images/3060000000058568.JPG?0.466539582001809 All the decorations needed:D

Blowin the doors off!!!!!! That is a very nice chair...by the way..

[PatrickBateman]

No kidding. I started looking in the $600 range for a set of mains, but nothing "popped" for me. I ended up dropping $1,100 just for the mains. Like many others that break their budget for something special, I couldn't be happier.:)

Davemcc,

What did you end up w/ for mains?

[MUDSHARK]

Hey! What happened to my old Maxell picture? All I see is a red x!:( Mazer help!

[mazersteven]

Hey! What happened to my old Maxell picture? All I see is a red x!:( Mazer help!

What size do you need?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/mazersteven/maxell.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y211/mazersteven/maninchair.jpg

[MUDSHARK]

All right smartypants how do I put it back in my post?

[sailfish]

HEY!!!!! Who hijacked my thread!!!!! I'm in audioless hell here!

[MUDSHARK]

Sorry Sailfish. Just amusing ourselves while waiting on your decision.:)

[mazersteven]

HEY!!!!! Who hijacked my thread!!!!! I'm in audioless hell here!

Not our fault you've went 11 pages without making a decision. :eek: :rolleyes:

[Sheep]

Reorx.....I've turned into a sound crazed irrational lunatic!!!

A sound crazed lunatic would have bought some speakers already. The problem with recommending speakers isn't the broad array of choices, but the laziness and overall obliviousness of the shopper. This board deals with speakers and equipment that performs. If you want somthing flashy to brag about with little knowledge as to what you actually have go get hosed at Best Buy. You posted seeking advice your your given budget and got it, and then some. Only 2 kinds of people would still be asking for opinions and input at this point 1.) A Troll, Or 2.) An Idiot.

So which is it?

SheepStar

[Davemcc]

Davemcc,

What did you end up w/ for mains?

That's what I paid for the Era Design 5. Canadian price, some discount + 15% tax. We get hosed over here on everything we buy. That's why they call us Hosers.

[Davemcc]

A sound crazed lunatic would have bought some speakers already. The problem with recommending speakers isn't the broad array of choices, but the laziness and overall obliviousness of the shopper. This board deals with speakers and equipment that performs. If you want somthing flashy to brag about with little knowledge as to what you actually have go get hosed at Best Buy. You posted seeking advice your your given budget and got it, and then some. Only 2 kinds of people would still be asking for opinions and input at this point 1.) A Troll, Or 2.) An Idiot.

So which is it?

SheepStar

...said our own little Holden Caulfield.

These are grown-ups paying with big-people dollars. Sometimes it takes some time to find the right piece of equipment before making a major expenditure. There's no need to be rude.

[bandphan]

Not our fault you've went 11 pages without making a decision. :eek: :rolleyes:

lmao

cheap pair with out stands

http://www.wilsonaudio.com/product/duette/gallery.php

[Reorx]

What I would do, if I had the money...

Is find a local store and try to audition 2-3 pairs of speakers in your home. Return all but the best pair you like.

Contact 2 Internet Direct companies, and have there speakers sent to your home to audition. Listen to all 3 sets of speakers. Buy the pair you like.

At most, you'll be out some money due to possible shipping costs. BUT, you will have heard speakers in your house, AND you will now own a pair.

Be sure to try compare apples to apples.
example: Bookshelves vs Bookshelves@ <$1000pr; Towers vs Towers@ <$1000/pr
and not Bookshelves <$500 vs Towers >$1500.

Good luck. Let us know what you get.

[sailfish]

...said our own little Holden Caulfield.

These are grown-ups paying with big-people dollars. Sometimes it takes some time to find the right piece of equipment before making a major expenditure. There's no need to be rude.

Thank you very much Davemcc. People are always ready to just quickly throw money at something. I certainly have been guilty of it in my long life. Searching for the perfect(for each individual) sound system is like searching for the perfect woman. Listen to a few. Hold and caress a few. Take a few home until finally one day you simple lose all rationale and just fall in love. You suddenly break out in a cold sweat and realize that what you have is too precious to lose. thank you all for your comments. I evaluate each and every one. Well.......almost every one. :D

[sailfish]

What I would do, if I had the money...

Is find a local store and try to audition 2-3 pairs of speakers in your home. Return all but the best pair you like.

Contact 2 Internet Direct companies, and have there speakers sent to your home to audition. Listen to all 3 sets of speakers. Buy the pair you like.

At most, you'll be out some money due to possible shipping costs. BUT, you will have heard speakers in your house, AND you will now own a pair.

Be sure to try compare apples to apples.
example: Bookshelves vs Bookshelves@ <$1000pr; Towers vs Towers@ <$1000/pr
and not Bookshelves <$500 vs Towers >$1500.

Good luck. Let us know what you get.

My thoughts exactly, Reorx. One Problem is that I really dont have any local stores. I can drive a 200 miles or so to find one. The problem is, is that when you drive that far you cant just go home and sleep on it. The internet option is definitely the way to go. thanks.

[Davemcc]

Thank you very much Davemcc. People are always ready to just quickly throw money at something. I certainly have been guilty of it in my long life. Searching for the perfect(for each individual) sound system is like searching for the perfect woman. Listen to a few. Hold and caress a few. Take a few home until finally one day you simple lose all rationale and just fall in love. You suddenly break out in a cold sweat and realize that what you have is too precious to lose. thank you all for your comments. I evaluate each and every one. Well.......almost every one. :D

Or you bring her home for a tryout, but return her, well...let's just say a little bit...used. Then you have to keep her because in her "condition", nobody else wants her. Lesson - take really good care of any speakers you bring home for a demo.

[sailfish]

Or you bring her home for a tryout, but return her, well...let's just say a little bit...used. Then you have to keep her because in her "condition", nobody else wants her. Lesson - take really good care of any speakers you bring home for a demo.

LMAO!!!.....thanks I needed that

[billy p]

Or you bring her home for a tryout, but return her, well...let's just say a little bit...used. Then you have to keep her because in her "condition", nobody else wants her. Lesson - take really good care of any speakers you bring home for a demo.

Not that I read between the lines:p. Your lucky the wife doesn't read the forum!:D LOL

[Sheep]

...said our own little Holden Caulfield.

These are grown-ups paying with big-people dollars. Sometimes it takes some time to find the right piece of equipment before making a major expenditure. There's no need to be rude.

Big people dollars? 500 dollars is big people dollars? I spend more then that every month. Technically that would make me extremely adult no? I don't use credit cards either!

I read through the whole thread before posting that. It was pretty clear he is afraid to commit to spending money, and now he's taking everyone along for a ride. He may have had intension's to buy speakers, but he doesn't anymore.

SheepStar

[sailfish]

I just spoke to a dealer 150 miles away. He was very knowledgeable, has quite a wide range of equipment, and easily answered all my questions. He even called me back apologizing for cutting me off(I thought no such thing)as he was up in an attic doing some wiring. I am scheduling a listening next week, as he works out of his home.

[Davemcc]

Big people dollars? 500 dollars is big people dollars? I spend more then that every month.



WOW!!! That's a pretty tight budget. Once you deduct your mortgage payment and property taxes, it probably doesn't leave very much for utilities, gas and insurance. You must have to skimp on your food budget after paying all the big bills.

Or is it that Mommy and Daddy are doing the heavy lifting on paying for your lifestyle? Let me tell you, Holden, that walking around the big city with a pocket full of cash, a filthy mouth and a bad attitude doesn't make you a man.

Shush now, Holden, while the grown-ups talk about how to spend what's left over after the big people bills are all paid.

[billy p]

Oh man, I can't wait for the follow up? He will be pis.....ed.

[sailfish]

Not that I read between the lines:p. Your lucky the wife doesn't read the forum!:D LOL

In a previous life, Billy p. My wife is the love of my life. Plus she would neuter me(OUCH!) if I were foolish enough to take the forbidden step.

[sailfish]

WOW!!! That's a pretty tight budget. Once you deduct your mortgage payment and property taxes, it probably doesn't leave very much for utilities, gas and insurance. You must have to skimp on your food budget after paying all the big bills.

Or is it that Mommy and Daddy are doing the heavy lifting on paying for your lifestyle? Let me tell you, Holden, that walking around the big city with a pocket full of cash, a filthy mouth and a bad attitude doesn't make you a man.

Shush now, Holden, while the grown-ups talk about how to spend what's left over after the big people bills are all paid.

Davemcc......you can hang out with me any day. TY

[Sheep]

WOW!!! That's a pretty tight budget. Once you deduct your mortgage payment and property taxes, it probably doesn't leave very much for utilities, gas and insurance. You must have to skimp on your food budget after paying all the big bills.

Or is it that Mommy and Daddy are doing the heavy lifting on paying for your lifestyle? Let me tell you, Holden, that walking around the big city with a pocket full of cash, a filthy mouth and a bad attitude doesn't make you a man.

Shush now, Holden, while the grown-ups talk about how to spend what's left over after the big people bills are all paid.

So when you were 20 you lived on your own, walked 4 miles in the snow uphill to and from work and school? Yeah, you're a saint.

I never said anything about his budget being "cheap". But to insinuate that I can't fathom 500 dollars is rude. My parents have not payed for any of my wants since I was 14. I started working the second I was legally able. I bought and pay for my car (and do all the servicing on their cars). I pay for any of my wants, I payed for my schooling (and will pay for ALL of it, regardless of cost), I have my stereo setup for it is a central family system, it's not just mine. I also help out with anything else.

But this is completely off topic. The topic is how sailfish has taken you along for a ride. Just look at post 120, he said he talked with a dealer that is going to handle everything from here on out. Seems like a lot of effort on everyone else's part to recommend and guide him for that long just to go and start all over again somewhere else.

Gee Dave, I know you haven't been here that long, but I have. I've seen people like this come and go. Every once and a while you can take advice, from someone that's been around the block a couple times.

If you want to continue this we can go to PMs.

SheepStar

[Andreas]

So when you were 20 you lived on your own, walked 4 miles in the snow uphill to and from work and school? Yeah, you're a saint.

I never said anything about his budget being "cheap". But to insinuate that I can't fathom 500 dollars is rude. My parents have not payed for any of my wants since I was 14. I started working the second I was legally able. I bought and pay for my car (and do all the servicing on their cars). I pay for any of my wants, I payed for my schooling (and will pay for ALL of it, regardless of cost), I have my stereo setup for it is a central family system, it's not just mine. I also help out with anything else.


If you want to continue this we can go to PMs.

SheepStar

PMs don't work for me.

Being an audio site I think its rude for you guys to take pot shots at each other in a print format.

Sheepstar, you seem to be sorta resourceful and not unintelligent. Can you do us a solid and convert all future arguements to a lossless audio format for our listening pleasure?

Now can someone pass the popcorn?

Andreas

[sailfish]

So when you were 20 you lived on your own, walked 4 miles in the snow uphill to and from work and school? Yeah, you're a saint.

I never said anything about his budget being "cheap". But to insinuate that I can't fathom 500 dollars is rude. My parents have not payed for any of my wants since I was 14. I started working the second I was legally able. I bought and pay for my car (and do all the servicing on their cars). I pay for any of my wants, I payed for my schooling (and will pay for ALL of it, regardless of cost), I have my stereo setup for it is a central family system, it's not just mine. I also help out with anything else.

But this is completely off topic. The topic is how sailfish has taken you along for a ride. Just look at post 120, he said he talked with a dealer that is going to handle everything from here on out. Seems like a lot of effort on everyone else's part to recommend and guide him for that long just to go and start all over again somewhere else.

Gee Dave, I know you haven't been here that long, but I have. I've seen people like this come and go. Every once and a while you can take advice, from someone that's been around the block a couple times.

If you want to continue this we can go to PMs.

SheepStar

Wow!....my first post here was January 18. I expressed problems finding a dealer and asked for opinions about various speakers. My fellow posters here kept suggesting that I find a dealer and listen to various systems. I apologize if my willingness to drive 300 miles round trip just to listen to some systems somehow offends some of you. I meant no disrespect. As I went winding my way down this digital/analog audio journey, I got exited and realized that if I was patient, learned as much as I could from my friends here, and maybe opened up the check book wider, that I might find something that I would appreciate for the rest of my golden years. This is something that I have denied myself as I have worked over the years to assure my family a comfortable lifestyle. I sincerely apologize to any of you who might be offended because I heeded your advice to go hear some systems. For the record; I never said that the dealer with whom I've spoken for a total of ten minutes will "Handle everything from here on out". As a 54 year old member of the AAYRP(American Association of Young Retired People), I can assure you that that aint my style. I will say that learning from people, like you, that are a lot more knowledgeable than myself is my style. Thanks guys. D@mn, the last two weeks seems like a lifetime!

[Davemcc]

My fellow posters here kept suggesting that I find a dealer and listen to various systems.

That is the best way, but I appreciate that some people might find that difficult. In this case, reading reviews and opinions is a good way to get an idea of which speakers might best suit you. Choosing an internet direct brand with a good return policy is a safe bet. Aperion and AV123 will pay for shipping both ways on bookshelf speakers if you choose not to keep them for any reason. That's probably a good place to start given your distance from a dealer.

[sailfish]

That is the best way, but I appreciate that some people might find that difficult. In this case, reading reviews and opinions is a good way to get an idea of which speakers might best suit you. Choosing an internet direct brand with a good return policy is a safe bet. Aperion and AV123 will pay for shipping both ways on bookshelf speakers if you choose not to keep them for any reason. That's probably a good place to start given your distance from a dealer.

TY Dave....

[bandphan]

PMs don't work for me.

Being an audio site I think its rude for you guys to take pot shots at each other in a print format.

Sheepstar, you seem to be sorta resourceful and not unintelligent. Can you do us a solid and convert all future arguements to a lossless audio format for our listening pleasure?

Now can someone pass the popcorn?

Andreas


did someone say pot?:D

[Guangui]

That is the best way, but I appreciate that some people might find that difficult. In this case, reading reviews and opinions is a good way to get an idea of which speakers might best suit you. Choosing an internet direct brand with a good return policy is a safe bet. Aperion and AV123 will pay for shipping both ways on bookshelf speakers if you choose not to keep them for any reason. That's probably a good place to start given your distance from a dealer.

Read Aperion's terms, I believe that they pay freight both ways, doesn't matter which system you buy. I might be mistaken, but check with them.

[Davemcc]

Read Aperion's terms, I believe that they pay freight both ways, doesn't matter which system you buy. I might be mistaken, but check with them.

I believe that is true of Aperion.

I just looked at AV123's policy again. Apparently, the risk free is available on the Reference 1, but not on the Rocket. Maybe that was a time limited special they were offering at one time?

[sailfish]

Well.....I finally made a decision. The order is in place. I am waiting anxiously. I sat for 4 1/2 Hours listening, while the dealer hooked up and unhooked a myriad of amps players and speakers. I was amazed at the difference the sound was with just the change of an amp(or any other component). Anyway, I paid my nickel and made my choice. Acoustic Zen Adagio speakers with Acoustic Zen Satori cables, Pathos classic MKIII integrated Amp(has a tubed pre), and a Cambridge Azur 840 CD player. 3 weeks ago I didnt know 7.1 from HDMI. Thanks to you guys I feel that I have a toehold into the world of hifi and HT. Though in the end I decided to go with two channel, when and if I decide to go multi-channel I feel I have at least gained enough lingo to be able to find the answers. DAC, HDMI, SACD, 24 bit upsampling, Hey.....piece of cake! It has been a long journey since my first post here, but in the end(or should I say beginning) I think I came around to exactly what I wanted and needed. Stay tuned.....after the burn in I'll let you know how things turned out. Thanks

[MUDSHARK]

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1629/imagesjk6.jpg

Well done!

[Andreas]

:-)

very nice...well done

[Newbie1954]

Can someone interject how does MC 6C compare to Era D5? 80% HT and 20% music. Thanks,

[sailfish]

thanks everyone

[Davemcc]

Congrats on the new system, TY. I'll be looking forward to your review because I've never had the chance to listen to Acoustic Zen speakers or the Pathos amps. I'm sure it's been quite an experience for you, but now you get the payoff. Enjoy.

[Davemcc]

Can someone interject how does MC 6C compare to Era D5? 80% HT and 20% music. Thanks,

I haven't had a chance to listen to the RBH, but I'd love to be able to hook you on the D5 sight unseen. The best thing to do is to try and find a dealer near you for an audition. If you can't find a dealer near you Here (http://www.signalpathint.com/index.php/component/option,com_locator/Itemid,43/), shoot signal path an email and try to set up a 30 day in home trial. It is well worth the effort.

[Seth=L]

I need to suggest the Era D4 or the D5. I listened to the Epos, Triangle and Paradigm Studios before I bought the D5 and couldn't be happier. Even as I continue to audition speakers every chance I get, nothing has made me second guess the Era.
The 600 series B&W (smallest ones), which sell for about the same, sounded much more open than the ERA D4s I listened to. The amount of detail they could reproduce was just more than what ERA could offer. ERA makes a beautiful compact speaker with impressive sound, but bang for buck, not so much.:)

[TheDog]

I just bought a pair of Energy Reference Connoisseur RC-10 bookshelfs for my music only system. They are marked down at audioadvisor from $550 to $350 pr, $1000 to 700 pr for the floorstanders. I'm really impressed with these speakers. They sound fantastic on everything, but Jazz and Blues really blow me away. Wife's very happy also because of the sound and how they look...got mine in "Rosenut". Links are below if your interested.

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ENRC10&variation=PCHE
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ENRC30&variation=SCHE

[Guangui]

I just bought a pair of Energy Reference Connoisseur RC-10 bookshelfs for my music only system. They are marked down at audioadvisor from $550 to $350 pr, $1000 to 700 pr for the floorstanders. I'm really impressed with these speakers. They sound fantastic on everything, but Jazz and Blues really blow me away. Wife's very happy also because of the sound and how they look...got mine in "Rosenut". Links are below if your interested.

http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ENRC10&variation=PCHE
http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ENRC30&variation=SCHE

Those RC-10 bookshelves at $350.00 are a great deal. Now we have a real fight between PSB B25 @ $299.00/pr vs Energy RC10 @$350.00/pr. Be advised that most people give the RC10 the edge.

Sailfish, congratulations on your purchase, it is good to know that you took all our advise and instead of going with a popular choice, went with a speaker that is not that well known, but provided you with what you were looking for. Which, proves the importance of reading, researching, and learning, but you must audition and come to conclusions for yourself.