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EddieG

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I just set up my Panasonic TH-50PX77U and don't see any "wow" when watching HD. The picture looks beautiful, though. My current HDTV is a 34" tube that is amazing in HD...maybe the shows last night were not shot in HD, but upscaled for HD broadcast?

There was a show about the Blue Angels that looked really nice, but again...no WOW factor.

Eddie G
 
mtrycrafts

mtrycrafts

Seriously, I have no life.
I just set up my Panasonic TH-50PX77U and don't see any "wow" when watching HD. The picture looks beautiful, though. My current HDTV is a 34" tube that is amazing in HD...maybe the shows last night were not shot in HD, but upscaled for HD broadcast?

There was a show about the Blue Angels that looked really nice, but again...no WOW factor.

Eddie G
Any shows had that WOW factor for you?
Perhaps not all are filmed in HD as you indicated. Or, not an HD channel? Or a combo?
ps, did you calibrate the TV yet?
 
Seth=L

Seth=L

Audioholic Overlord
I just set up my Panasonic TH-50PX77U and don't see any "wow" when watching HD. The picture looks beautiful, though. My current HDTV is a 34" tube that is amazing in HD...maybe the shows last night were not shot in HD, but upscaled for HD broadcast?

There was a show about the Blue Angels that looked really nice, but again...no WOW factor.

Eddie G
You need Blu-ray, or MUSE laserdisc.:D
 
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EddieG

Audioholic
Any shows had that WOW factor for you?
Perhaps not all are filmed in HD as you indicated. Or, not an HD channel? Or a combo?
ps, did you calibrate the TV yet?
Nature shows have "wowed" me. I'll check out something like Blue Planet (or similar on HD on demand).

And no I did not calibrate the set. Do I need to buy a calibration disc? Maybe somewhere on the net there is something to download and burn to a DVD??

Thanks!
 
annunaki

annunaki

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I would HIGHLY recommend a calibration disc. Digital Video Essentials or the Avia disc are great (and necessary) additions to a home theater dvd collection.

How far do you sit from the set as opposed to the 34"?
 
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EddieG

Audioholic
I would HIGHLY recommend a calibration disc. Digital Video Essentials or the Avia disc are great (and necessary) additions to a home theater dvd collection.

How far do you sit from the set as opposed to the 34"?
I sit about 15 feet from the 34" and about 7 feet from the 50". I just remembered that I did use the THX optimizer on a Pixar DVD for the 34". I also realize that a CRT is the best possible picture.

I found this...
http://cgi.ebay.com/AUDIO-VIDEO-HOME-THEATER-OPTIMIZE-CALIBRATION-DISC-DVD_W0QQitemZ330202562950QQihZ014QQcategoryZ294QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
or http://tinyurl.com/236asz
Any reason to spend the extra cash for Avia or DVE?

Thanks!
 
annunaki

annunaki

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At 7 feet you should be even happier since it is bigger and you will see more detail.

What are the sources you are running into the display? Have you set them up to the native resolution of the set? What type of connections are you using for said sources?
 
annunaki

annunaki

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As a baseline to start, Set the video mode to standard. Black level to normal or light. Make sure the Mpeg Noise reduction and Digital noise reduction are turned on. Set the color temperature to warm. Set the Contrast (Picture) to +15, Brightness to +5, Color to -1, Hue to 0, and Sharpness to -15. This will get you within a few clicks of actual calibrated levels. Use a high quality set up disc to get perfectly accurate. Be sure to watch the tutorials on the discs so as to why you adjust the set a certain way.
 
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EddieG

Audioholic
I have my cable box set for 1080i and run the video from the cable box to the TV via HDMI.
I don't THINK I have it going from the cable box to the receiver to the tv...I just disconnected the HDMI cable from the previous LCD and plugged it into the new set, but even if I did it's still HDMI.
 
ParadigmDawg

ParadigmDawg

Audioholic Overlord
The late night shows like Leno and Letterman look great on my set up, CSI Miami blows me away. Recheck you settings it get the wow!
 
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EddieG

Audioholic
I would HIGHLY recommend a calibration disc. Digital Video Essentials or the Avia disc are great (and necessary) additions to a home theater dvd collection.

How far do you sit from the set as opposed to the 34"?
I found the older Avia 1 on Ebay for a good price...any reason not to get this and spend more on Avia 2 or DVE?
 
annunaki

annunaki

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I have my cable box set for 1080i and run the video from the cable box to the TV via HDMI.
I don't THINK I have it going from the cable box to the receiver to the tv...I just disconnected the HDMI cable from the previous LCD and plugged it into the new set, but even if I did it's still HDMI.

Set the output to 720p if you can. This will eliminate a deinterlacing processing step and potentially improve the picture some.
 
annunaki

annunaki

Moderator
I found the older Avia 1 on Ebay for a good price...any reason not to get this and spend more on Avia 2 or DVE?
Is Avia 2 HD-DVD or Blu-ray? Do you have either player? If not, get the Avia 1 disc. I like the Digital Video Essentials DVD better for Video setup though. The Aviav is better for audio. I own both :).
 
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EddieG

Audioholic
Set the output to 720p if you can. This will eliminate a deinterlacing processing step and potentially improve the picture some.
I thought about that, but at my viewing distance I didn't think it would matter. I thought I'd have to be closer than 5 1/2-6 feet after reading http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/ , unless I mis-read or misunderstood something in that article (which may be possible as I know nothing about this stuff).:eek:
 
annunaki

annunaki

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I thought about that, but at my viewing distance I didn't think it would matter. I thought I'd have to be closer than 5 1/2-6 feet after reading http://www.carltonbale.com/2006/11/1080p-does-matter/ , unless I mis-read or misunderstood something in that article (which may be possible as I know nothing about this stuff).:eek:
You are misunderstanding that article. That is at what distance the benefits of a higher resolution are still realized.

To get the best performance from your equipment it is better off set to the native resolution of your set. With the TH-50PX77U that is 720P.
 
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EddieG

Audioholic
Is Avia 2 HD-DVD or Blu-ray? Do you have either player? If not, get the Avia 1 disc. I like the Digital Video Essentials DVD better for Video setup though. The Aviav is better for audio. I own both :).
Since you own both...I read some reviews on Digital Video Essentials and some people are confused as there are times where it shows you something but doesn't tell you what to do.

From amazon.com:
The DVD provides plenty of still images to adjust contrast and colors, but you have no idea what to do. For example, the red color bar has several different shades of color. But, what are you supposed to do? There are no instructions and no narration. Are you supposed to adjust the color until they are all the same? Are you supposed to adjust the contrast until they are the same? Are they supposed to be different shades that you fine tune? Who knows! This is how all of the tools on the DVD work. So, unless you have been trained how to use the tools, don't buy this. I wasted hours trying to figure it out. I also have many other things to do than write reviews--so believe me, I must really be serious about this.

What are your thoughts? Also, for a non-videophile such as myself, how much more can this do over Avia 1?

Thanks!
 
annunaki

annunaki

Moderator
Since you own both...I read some reviews on Digital Video Essentials and some people are confused as there are times where it shows you something but doesn't tell you what to do.

From amazon.com:
The DVD provides plenty of still images to adjust contrast and colors, but you have no idea what to do. For example, the red color bar has several different shades of color. But, what are you supposed to do? There are no instructions and no narration. Are you supposed to adjust the color until they are all the same? Are you supposed to adjust the contrast until they are the same? Are they supposed to be different shades that you fine tune? Who knows! This is how all of the tools on the DVD work. So, unless you have been trained how to use the tools, don't buy this. I wasted hours trying to figure it out. I also have many other things to do than write reviews--so believe me, I must really be serious about this.

What are your thoughts? Also, for a non-videophile such as myself, how much more can this do over Avia 1?

Thanks!
The confusion lies in that they did not watch the dvd PRIOR to trying to adjust the set. They simply went into "Reference Materials" and then "Display Set Up Patterns". Had the idiot watched the DVD as intended there is a complete tutorial as to what you are looking for when each part is adjusted. I found the Digital Video Essentials much easier to use as opposed to Avia after watching this tutorial.

If you get DVE, simply watch the 50 minutes of "how to" as far as the set up goes and you will be fine. Watch it twice if you need to, it will only help you out long term.
 
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EddieG

Audioholic
So what about this review?

After spending two hours with this disc, I have succeeded in adjusting a total of three settings on my TV: Brightness, Color and Sharpness. Has there been an improvement in picture quality? Perhaps; it's a little early to say.

But what's undeniable is that the vast majority of information on this disc is useless to me. It's worth pointing out that, although the introduction mentions modern flat-panel TVs (this disc came out in 2003), all of the tests and information on the disc are actually geared towards CRT or projector TVs. That might have been appropriate five years ago, but even in 2003, plasma and LCD sets were starting to make an appearance and it should have been obvious to a supposed professional like Joe Kane that they were going to become a big presence in the home theater market.

Nonetheless, I followed the advice of those who rank this disk highly, and was prepared to sit down and watch the program from the beginning, since there aren't actually any printed instructions included with the DVD. For the first section -- basic adjustments -- the video was very good; everything was explained clearly, and then I was presented with a test pattern with which to adjust my set.

Unfortunately, once I got past the basic adjustments, everything changed. Instead of continuing with the "explain/test pattern" paradigm, the program became nothing but a series of explanations, with no "break" for the user to configure his set based on the information he was just given.

To give you an example: In the basic section, there are instructions for how to adjust the contrast on your set, but they are only useable if you have a non-HDTV, because they depend on seeing the scan lines on the screen. The user is told that if he doesn't have a CRT TV with visible scan lines, he will be given instructions on how to adjust the contrast in the "troubleshooting" section. In the troubleshooting section, we are given a lot of talk about high-scan-rate CRTs and projector TVs before we finally get to the test pattern. Here, reproduced for your edification, are the complete, verbatim instructions on how to adjust your contrast (I have attempted to upload a screen capture of the test pattern in question which may or may not make any of this more comprehensible):


[EDIT]I've decided to re-type this section to give it a little more impact. It seemed a little hard to read with everything mashed up together.

So, first, I'm presenting, verbatim, the instructions you're supposed to use to adjust the contrast. Then, below that, are my comments, based on my reaction as I watched the video and attempted to follow the instructions.

"In the cases where the brightness control moves the entire video signal up and down within the dynamic range of the digital processor, and the contrast sets the distance between black and white, we need to start by turning the contrast down below the 50% point. Raise and lower the brightness so you'll see the dark parts of the ramp come and go. Set the brightness so that video at black[?] just disappears into the background of the image. Now, increase the contrast control while looking back at the dark parts of the picture for a shift in black level. Reset the brightness control as this shift begins to take place. Gradually increase the contrast, re-setting the brightness control as needed, to a point where the white begins to clip above the 100% marker."

Here are my comments on this section:

- "In the cases where the brightness control moves the entire video signal up and down within the dynamic range of the digital processor, and the contrast sets the distance between black and white, we need to start by turning the contrast down below the 50% point."
[How do we determine if your TV even has the brightness and contrast controls described?? Who knows; let's plow ahead anyway!]


- "Raise and lower the brightness so you'll see the dark parts of the ramp come and go."
["Come and go"? What is that supposed to mean? The dark parts are dark. They get darker and lighter depending on the brightness control, but they're always part of the image. How is the amateur user supposed to make sense of an imprecise description like "come and go"? And when are we supposed to stop adjusting the brightness? When the dark parts "come" or when they "go"?]

- "Set the brightness so that video at black ... "
[Huh? What does "video at black" mean? I wasn't even sure what the narrator was trying to say until I listened to this sentence five or ten times. Is "video at black" different from "black portions of the screen"? What's with all the vague language all of a sudden?]

- " ... just disappears into the background of the image."
[Again, I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. I don't even know which part of the image is supposed to be the "background". The black parts of the pattern are black. What is the fine distinction that is supposed to indicate that the "video at black" has "disappeared into the background"?]

- "Now, increase the contrast control while looking back at the dark parts of the picture for a shift in black level."
[A "shift in black level"? Again, what is that supposed to mean to an amateur?]

- "Reset the brightness control as this shift begins to take place."
[Reset it how? Brighter or darker? And how do we know when we've adjusted it enough, in whichever direction we're supposed to be adjusting it?]

- "Gradually increase the contrast, re-setting the brightness control as needed, to a point where the white begins to clip above the 100% marker."
[The white begins to "clip"? What on earth does that mean? I know what "clipping" means in an audio amplifier, but how am I supposed to know if a color is "clipping"? And what the heck is the "100% marker"? There are no text markers of any kind on this test pattern!]"

To make matters worse, at the end of this long-winded, quickly-read set of instructions, we are not given a test pattern to work on! I finally figured out that I was supposed to listen to the explanations, then (I guess) jump ahead to the "reference materials" (after having memorized the instructions) and find the test pattern that I needed, then jump back to wherever I was in the "Troubleshooting" or "Advanced Settings" section. Not only was this extremely tedious, given the poorly-designed menus on this disc, but the explanations became increasingly long-winded (and decreasingly helpful) as the disc went on.

As we get into the "Advanced Instructions" section, we are given an extremely detailed (and tedious) description of how television standards determine the proper value for "grey", but no more than ten seconds' worth of useful information on how to adjust this on our sets (it basically boils down to "use this settings if you're watching color, and a different setting if you're watching black & white"). By the end of the video, the author has given up on giving us any calibration information at all, and simply recites information on component output, MPEG encoding, interlaced and progressive video, and similar subjects that are covered in much more informative treatments on the internet.

Once the program is over, you are left with dozens of test patterns and test videos on the disc without a single shred of information on how they were intended to be used. I counted fifty different test patterns that have no explanation whatsoever, plus a series of audio/video "Demonstrations" that, again, come without any description of what the user is supposed to be looking for.

I've come to the conclusion that in spite of the DVD case copy describing this disc as "the 'TV Guy' of the 21st Century', most of the material contained on this disc is, in fact, intended for use by a trained professional, and not an amateur TV owner. The numerous references to hiring a professional to calibrate your TV -- and the convenient link to a website where you can do so! -- reinforced this impression.

Finally, my review would not be complete without describing how extremely poor the menus are. The narrator takes great pride in pointing out (during the introduction) that you can always get back to the main menu (even if your remote doesn't have a "Title" or "Top Menu" button) because there is always a "Program Menu" link on every sub-menu.

In fact, this is a lie. There are actually two or three levels of sub-menus, and some have the "Program Menu" and some don't. In some cases, the first page of a sub-menu section has the "Program Menu" link and the rest don't. On the ones that do, the "Program Menu" link takes you back to the very top of the menu structure, so you then have to drill through a confusing series of options ("DVD Navigation", "Program Guide", "Title Index", etc.) to get back to where you were.

Astonishingly, there is even one option ("DVD Navigation") where clicking on the link takes you to a video that LOOKS LIKE a menu! So you literally can't tell (until the narrator starts speaking) whether you are watching part of the video or looking at a menu.

Unfortunately, that's all-too-typical of the confusing approach and lack of attention to detail that characterizes this entire product. I own a state-of-the-art LCD TV set and high-quality DVD player and maybe 2%-5% of this DVD is actually useful to me. I'm wishing I had saved my money until a new version of Avia comes out.
 
annunaki

annunaki

Moderator
Well I guess that is one person's take. I got a lot out of the tutorial, though dry, when i first got into this over 11 yrs. ago. Back then it was just video essentials on dvd.

The new version is much better.

While I agree the menu is not the nicest to navigate it is a good disc. What this guy (reviewer) fails to realize is that totally & PROPERLY calibrating televisions is not for amateurs, but for trained professionals. Essentially what the reviewer wanted was a disc that told him exactly where to set his brightness contrast an color for his exact set. There are none out there that do that. The only way to adjust a set properly at home without hiring someone is to use a disc and understand what one is doing.

I watched the Avia disc tonight again and it is pretty good too. I guess I really like the test patterns better on th DVE disc. The explanations are a bit simpler on the Avia disc. My opinion, get Avia for explanation and DVE for test patterns. I guess nothing is perfect. :)
 

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