Infinity Floorstanders for under $225...

[Gaigebacca]

can it be done.. and I am talking for a pair... not apiece... I saw a set of Primus 250's on craigslist for 125... but haven't found any professional reviews on them yet...

[Gaigebacca]

dang it... I just realized I posted in the wrong forum for this... can any Mod move this to the loudspeaker forum?

[Seth=L]

They are very good speakers at that price. WmAx, a member of this forum, has modified his Primus 150s and says they can flat out wipe to floor with high end speaker systems way over $1000 stock. Just know that the Primus stock speakers aren't going to compete with speakers in the $1000 plus bracket, but they have great potential.:)

[jagxtype]

i paid $175 for.....get this....your not going to beleive me...a PAIR of Primus 250's brand new in box from ultimate electronics one year ago to this day. they were clearing out an overstock for the new Primus 252's :D

[jagxtype]

They are very good speakers at that price. WmAx, a member of this forum, has modified his Primus 250s and says they can flat out wipe to floor with high end speaker systems way over $1000 stock. Just know that the Primus stock speakers aren't going to compete with speakers in the $1000 plus bracket, but they have great potential.:)
Fixed for ya :)

[avaserfi]

Actually, Chris has modified a pair of Primus 160s for use with stereo subwoofers. Quality wise they match/exceed the B&W 802D (MSRP $12,000) speakers for near field listening.

As far as the 250s go he has made recommendations for others to make modifications to theirs on this forum.

At $125 a pair of Primus 250s with modifications would likely make a superb speaker.

[jagxtype]

Actually, Chris has modified a pair of Primus 160s for use with stereo subwoofers. Quality wise they match/exceed the B&W 802D (MSRP $12,000) speakers for near field listening.

As far as the 250s go he has made recommendations for others to make modifications to theirs on this forum.

At $125 a pair of Primus 250s with modifications would likely make a superb speaker.

I stand corrected. I mistakenly recalled another post i have read.

[Seth=L]

Fixed for ya :)
I meant to say 160s. The same woofers and tweeters are used in the 250s though.:)

[mazersteven]

Actually, Chris has modified a pair of Primus 160s for use with stereo subwoofers. Quality wise they match/exceed the B&W 802D (MSRP $12,000) speakers for near field listening.



hmmmmmmmmmm ?

[jagxtype]

expand the idea of use with stereo subwoofer. Does that mean that you have a subwoofer located within proximity of each of the 160? If so, that is still amazing at any rate. But why stereo subs to make it comparable. Do the B&W's have that much range? Or is it just the sonic image that is trying to be maintained?

[jagxtype]

If you want to put it in terms of total cost. Just think, your going to need massive power with massive processing to power those bad boys too. Thats another couple thousand more than a good receiver which is plenty ample to push the 250's. The B&W's are way too much. Your rougly in the hole 15,000 or more when all is said and done when compared to the relative primus set up.

[Sheep]

hmmmmmmmmmm ?

Welcome to WmAx, the guy that KNOWS speakers. He's modifications are nothing short of insane. His new speakers are going to weigh roughly 500lbs EACH.

Jags, Processing and power are not requirements for good sound. A pair of Behringer A500s would drive 802Ds fine with a receiver feeding it.

SheepStar

[jagxtype]

Welcome to WmAx, the guy that KNOWS speakers. He's modifications are nothing short of insane. His new speakers are going to weigh roughly 500lbs EACH.

Jags, Processing and power are not requirements for good sound. A pair of Behringer A500s would drive 802Ds fine with a receiver feeding it.

SheepStar


No, processing as in preamp....sorry. And why would someone drive a 12000 dollar speaker with anyting but the best is what i am kinda getting at. And it is going to need to have more power than the primus anyhow considering the specs. I am not saying i know anything about these speakers, just gathering from what i do know. If what is formerly said of the primus vs. B&W, then wouldnt there be a power differential between the two models? I am just saying, it will take stand alone amps and preamps which tend to be costly compared to the primus which can be driven nicely by just about any run of the mill amplifiers.

[jagxtype]

And why is that jag?
They are fairly sensitive speakers (@90db), assuming ~150 RMS should be plenty for them????
And what does processing have to do with it, if you are thinking DSP?
Also this was talking about nearfield.

I understand the nearfield comment, but refer to my above post.

[Sheep]

No, processing as in preamp....sorry. And why would someone drive a 12000 dollar speaker with anyting but the best is what i am kinda getting at. And it is going to need to have more power than the primus anyhow considering the specs. I am not saying i know anything about these speakers, just gathering from what i do know. If what is formerly said of the primus vs. B&W, then wouldnt there be a power differential between the two models? I am just saying, it will take stand alone amps and preamps which tend to be costly compared to the primus which can be driven nicely by just about any run of the mill amplifiers.

The best is the A500 for the price and wattage. The best isn't expensive, you really need to figure that out before you lose a crap load of money.

SheepStar

[jagxtype]

The best is the A500 for the price and wattage. The best isn't expensive, you really need to figure that out before you lose a crap load of money.

SheepStar


Yeah.. i never claimed to be one to think the best were the most expensive, it just tends to have a correlated relation. I do not splurge on expensive stuff b/c i think it will sound better. I find out what i want, research it heavily, and make an informed purchase on a good deal. I dont buy off the internet, unless i have heard in person. The HK that i just purchased is the first i have bought off the internet.

examples. (taxes included)
815K receiver-$220 new
Primus 250's- $175 new for pair
Primus 150's- $80 New for pair
Polk CSM- $60 New
Toshiba DVD- $50 new
HK 635- $475 shipped to my door Refurb'd

To me, $12,000 for a pair of speakers is rediculous. Much better can be had for that price comprimise. $12,000 and i could build a system that "I" like and still have 8,000 in my pockets.

As you can see, i will not loose a crap load of money for i see it better spent elsewhere in ways which i will see return other than self-satisfaction.

[Sheep]

Yeah.. i never claimed to be one to think the best were the most expensive, it just tends to have a correlated relation. I do not splurge on expensive stuff b/c i think it will sound better. I find out what i want, research it heavily, and make an informed purchase on a good deal. I dont buy off the internet, unless i have heard in person. The HK that i just purchased is the first i have bought off the internet.

examples. (taxes included)
815K receiver-$220 new
Primus 250's- $175 new for pair
Primus 150's- $80 New for pair
Polk CSM- $60 New
Toshiba DVD- $50 new
HK 635- $475 shipped to my door Refurb'd

To me, $12,000 for a pair of speakers is rediculous. Much better can be had for that price comprimise. $12,000 and i could build a system that "I" like and still have 8,000 in my pockets.

As you can see, i will not loose a crap load of money for i see it better spent elsewhere in ways which i will see return other than self-satisfaction.

I don't think you really understand speaker design and philosophy. Those speakers have ZERO resonance.

http://www.audiophile.no/Vedlegg/Publisering/Bilder/Matrix_1.jpg.

This is the Matrix Bracing (uh) that they use inside. Very few retails speakers have resonance that measures as well as these do, including speakers that retail for more then double the price.

I'm willing to bet that 4000 dollar sound system you would buy will not sound nearly as good.

SheepStar

[jagxtype]

its personal preference. I prefer not to spend what a decent car would cost on a system. Just wondering sheep, how wealthy are you. Just figure 3 pairs of those speakers @ 12000 and then center channels and preamps and amps and all the other do-dads that go with the system and tell me you would or could spend that kind of money in your lifetime on a system. It gets to the point where the Decay in sound difference become exponential in relation to cost. Of course this differs with each person depending on what detail the ear can detect. I know a fair share of speaker theory, but i am not going to say that i am not specialist/expert, or conur sur of the field. I realize quickly you are one to debate. I enjoy debating. But will admit i will be had at these topics for i am only an amatuer.

[Sheep]

its personal preference. I prefer not to spend what a decent car would cost on a system. Just wondering sheep, how wealthy are you. Just figure 3 pairs of those speakers @ 12000 and then center channels and preamps and amps and all the other do-dads that go with the system and tell me you would or could spend that kind of money in your lifetime on a system. It gets to the point where the Decay in sound difference become exponential in relation to cost. Of course this differs with each person depending on what detail the ear can detect. I know a fair share of speaker theory, but i am not going to say that i am not specialist/expert, or conur sur of the field. I realize quickly you are one to debate. I enjoy debating. But will admit i will be had at these topics for i am only an amatuer.

I'm not wealthy, and I don't own those speakers. But I do realize when something is truly exceptional. You can build similar performing speakers for less, but there is little out there in the retail world with the same build quality(at that price point).

SheepStar

[jagxtype]

I don't think you really understand speaker design and philosophy. Those speakers have ZERO resonance.

http://www.audiophile.no/Vedlegg/Publisering/Bilder/Matrix_1.jpg.

This is the Matrix Bracing (uh) that they use inside. Very few retails speakers have resonance that measures as well as these do, including speakers that retail for more then double the price.

I'm willing to bet that 4000 dollar sound system you would buy will not sound nearly as good.

SheepStar

I do wonder where i brought up the build quality and such of the speaker to which you are making a rebuttal. I am not qustioning its build, i am merely making the implication that i do not see reason to buying such fine, expensive equipment. The equipment can only be as good as the human ear interprets what it hears. I can pick out detail and nuances, but still see no use in such a system. It must be purely status and the benjamin factor.

[jagxtype]

I'm not wealthy, and I don't own those speakers. But I do realize when something is truly exceptional. You can build similar performing speakers for less, but there is little out there in the retail world with the same build quality(at that price point).

SheepStar

Understood. For the average joe such as you and me, is the decay of product worth the exponential gain in price you are encountering? I say the money is better spent in something that posseses return. Speakers are like a car; once they leave the "dealer" they instantly loose value and in most cases (just as cars) will continue to loose value untill the market for them platueas due to the rarity and demand. A vehichle suspends the value though due to its variety of uses such as getting you to your job so you can make money in the first place. A speaker is there for your listening enjoyment.

[mike c]

I can't hear the difference between speakers ... I can't afford them speakers ... but this I promise: I WILL ONE DAY have a pair of those 802D's and a pair of Martin Logan ESL's in a dedicated audio room.

[jagxtype]

I can't hear the difference between speakers ... I can't afford them speakers ... but this I promise: I WILL ONE DAY have a pair of those 802D's and a pair of Martin Logan ESL's in a dedicated audio room.

HAHA...seriously that made me laugh. I am only 19 and someday my values may change. but i feel that i am a fairly level-headed person. I have had to work hard for everything that i have or will ever get. I don't receive, nor will i receive handouts from others. I work full time only to pay for going to school full time without a loan and to have a nice car. With that insight, i can say that right now i feel there are more important things in my life, such as my future. When i have that taken care of, i may own a pair of martin logans if i can prepare myself for such improveishment. Yes, both martin logans and B&W's are very nice speakers, such as a nice house or car; they come with time and success.

[mike c]

exactly. when I was your age ... a car was all I wanted. I measured everything in car value. "$ht! that thing costs like 2 cars man!" "I can buy a car for that amount" :)

when you secure your future, you can look to enjoying the rest of your life :) right now, I measure things in subwoofers. hehe "for 12k of b&w, I can buy me 12 more subwoofers just to prove the harman white paper on multisubs"

[jagxtype]

exactly. when I was your age ... a car was all I wanted. I measured everything in car value. "$ht! that thing costs like 2 cars man!" "I can buy a car for that amount" :)

when you secure your future, you can look to enjoying the rest of your life :) right now, I measure things in subwoofers. hehe "for 12k of b&w, I can buy me 12 more subwoofers just to prove the harman white paper on multisubs"


LMAO...All i want right now is a vette, but i tend to drive like an *** when i have fast cars and have tickets to prove it. So i bought a slow *** jag, but its hella nice.

I am out for the night. Nice talking to you people :)

[Sheep]

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30467

Read this thread.

SheepStar

[jagxtype]

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30467

Read this thread.

SheepStar

Began to...but i am tired and have to work tomorrow. will try to get to it later. thanks though. I enjoy reading up on just about anything.

[avaserfi]

My guess is these http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/1205bw/
are overpriced by $10,000.00
Heck, for a pair of ~800.00 subs (1600.00) and some Infinity's for ~150.00
And pay a carpenter for the mod at 100.00 an hour (x ~3 hours), you still would be better off than paying $12,000.00 for those B&W's.:eek:

Specially with a small room, and nearfield listening.

The B&W 801D/802D is one of the best commercial monopole on the market if not the best. Furthermore, at the price they area great value even at 10-12k if one wants proper, accurate reproduction of a source.

Since it seems you aren't understanding why look here (http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/1205bw/index4.html). Fig 2 shows this speaker has an inert cabinet thus is introducing no timberal distortion via resonance. Fig 4 shows the speakers great linearity meaning with a quality EQ you can achieve any desired response. Lastly, fig 5 and 6 show horizontal and vertical off axis response. These two specs while not being perfect are better than most other speakers, including higher and lower price ranges, and shows these speakers will do well for both near and far field listening.

If you want to put it in terms of total cost. Just think, your going to need massive power with massive processing to power those bad boys too. Thats another couple thousand more than a good receiver which is plenty ample to push the 250's. The B&W's are way too much. Your rougly in the hole 15,000 or more when all is said and done when compared to the relative primus set up.

Untrue completely - cost and performance are unrelated. Getting quality components is a must, but there is no need to waste money. Any stereo receiver, a quality EQ and amp with sufficient power will work as long as they do not add noise to the system which they shouldn't if properly designed.

[Sheep]

Good post WmAx Jr.

SheepStar

[Sheep]

HAHA...seriously that made me laugh. I am only 19 and someday my values may change. but i feel that i am a fairly level-headed person. I have had to work hard for everything that i have or will ever get. I don't receive, nor will i receive handouts from others. I work full time only to pay for going to school full time without a loan and to have a nice car. With that insight, i can say that right now i feel there are more important things in my life, such as my future. When i have that taken care of, i may own a pair of martin logans if i can prepare myself for such improveishment. Yes, both martin logans and B&W's are very nice speakers, such as a nice house or car; they come with time and success.

Hey, I'm only 20. It's isn't about age, just mindset :)

SheepStar

[Seth=L]

If I could afford the Nautilus 802s I would not power them with any receiver short of a flagship from Yamaha, Denon, or Onkyo. They don't stay around 8 ohms and dip near 3 ohms. Stable power is a must with those speakers IMO.:)

[Alex2507]

hmmmmmmmmmm ?

This thread might answer your question.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37168

[jagxtype]

Hey, I'm only 20. It's isn't about age, just mindset :)

SheepStar

Just as you and i have swaying values of what we want in life, others have swaying value of what something is worth. The total costs to make them B&W's is most likely a very small percentage of what they cost. You may use your knowledge of speakers as assertion, but that will not change my mindset. If i may ask, if it is not too personal, would you rather have a pair of these 12,000 dollar speakers and a system to power them with, or a down payment on your own house and a new car?

[jagxtype]

I will have my views and others will have theirs. Lets leave it at that. If its more important to have speaker stature than living at home till your 35, then so be it. I know some are well off enough to afford something like this, and more power to them. I, at the moment am not. I am focused on finishing college and BUYING a NEW house and making a succesful future for myself. Then i may someday begin to enjoy the enlightments of being an eliteist breadwinner with a Nice House with OMG expensive speakers and a 6 figure sports car sitting in the garage. Until then... i will stick with my measly primus 250's that i got for a great deal. I have grown to like them quite well.:)

[mazersteven]

This thread might answer your question.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37168

I don't have a question. I question that they will sound like B&W 802's. This I would love to hear myself.

[WmAx]

I don't have a question. I question that they will sound like B&W 802's. This I would love to hear myself.

It is not clear to me what is supposed to sound like B&W 802s. If this refers to the modification being proposed in this thread for the Primus 250; of course, it will not. The modification proposed does not consider enough points. If you are referring to my specially modified Primus 160 speakers that I use for computer speakers; they are superior to the 802D on some counts, and inferior in others. For example, my monitors are very low resonance, but not totally inert as the B&W 802D. So some timbre distortion on some tracks can occur at low levels, as opposed to none with a B&W 802D. My monitors have superior energy decay for the drivers, higher dynamic range and a more linear frequency response(+/- 0.6db up to 15khz). However, it should be noted that my monitors use a DSP active crossover, no speaker level crossover is used, and it does not have the off axis response that is as good as a B&W 802D. My computer monitors were specifically intended (and are used) for nearfield monitoring purposes, in which off axis response past 10 degrees or so is irrelevant. It should aslo be noted that it cost at least $2000 for me to get them to this state wen you consider the cost of the DSP xover, subwoofer parts, cabinet parts and base speaker to be modified.

-Chris

[jagxtype]

wow, you must really like what you do. I am truly impressed by your aptitude to make these speakers. I now understand that unless i want to invest a lot of time and money, my primus 250's wouldnt yield the same results. I guess the time is better spent at the desk at work making overtime to buy something already that good.

[WmAx]

wow, you must really like what you do. I am truly impressed by your aptitude to make these speakers. I now understand that unless i want to invest a lot of time and money, my primus 250's wouldnt yield the same results. I guess the time is better spent at the desk at work making overtime to buy something already that good.

I did not mean to say it was not worth while. My modification to my Primus's was for a very specific application that required extreme linearity/fidelity. You can do the Level 1 modification and still yield large results greatly increasing the quality. Level 1 is easy.

-Chris

[jagxtype]

you say easy...:D I say Ohh F*CK!

I might try it if i can get the materials readily available.
I will most likely come knocking on your door so to speak
when spring rolls around.

[WmAx]

you say easy...:D I say Ohh F*CK!

I might try it if i can get the materials readily available.
I will most likely come knocking on your door so to speak
when spring rolls around.

Sorry for missing this post.

Level 1 modification IS easy. To summarize(fine details covered in my post linked eariler): You just remove drivers -- install some adhesive backed damping material(Peel N' Seal or Dynamat or equivalent) and pop in some effective acoustic absorption material to replace the worthless stuff Infinity used. Put drivers back in. Done. :)

The other stuff(stereo subs, active crossover, etc.) is what brings up performance to a level where bass is clear/deep/perfectly integrated and relieves the bass duty from those 5" mid-woofers on the Primus 250 so they can operate in a range where they have no practical possibility to distort.

I'll mail the acoustic absorption stuff to you for raw part cost if I have to - as it can be hard to find for consumers in some regions.

I sent user Jaxvon some material and he did a Level 1 modification. I'll ask him to post his impressions in this thread, and if he personally thought it was worth the minimal effort.

-Chris

[jaxvon]

I sent user Jaxvon some material and he did a Level 1 modification. I'll ask him to post his impressions in this thread, and if he personally thought it was worth the minimal effort.

-Chris

I'd say it was worth it. I added 5 layers (if I remember correctly) of Peel 'n Seal to every inside surface except for the front baffle of my speakers (BIC DV62SI), then stuffed most of the internal volume with mineral wool. Finally, I added some low density white speaker fluff to cover the mineral wool to help keep the fibers from coming out of the port (it's nasty stuff). For the install I used a sturdy straightedge, a few utility knife blades (Peel 'n Seal dulls them quickly), a serrated Ikea "chef" knife (for cutting the mineral wool), gloves, and a good work mask. I would recommend some kind of eye protection as well.

As for difficulty, the first speaker took a couple hours, as I was kind of flying by the seat of my pants. The second one took about an hour from start to finish. I also added some damping material to the woofer frame to stop any resonance that could be occurring there.

The sound? Definitely improved. They were cheap speakers to begin with, but the midrange was audibly cleaner. After I finished the first speaker, I set both of them up in a nearfield configuration to see if I could hear anything. While there was reduced bass in the modified speaker (I expected this because of the reduced internal volume and absorption), I kept finding myself being drawn to the sound of the modified speaker. I'd rather not get into slinging audiophile terms, but the modification did exactly what I wanted it to do: reduce the coloration in the midrange, resulting in a clearer sound.

Sadly, these speakers are now relegated to background music only. After hearing WmAx's speakers in person, I could no longer listen to my speakers without wanting to turn off my stereo. So now I use my MDR-7506 headphones as my primary listening device while I save up for some real speakers.

[jagxtype]

excellent. I might go for it, it might not. I am sure mineral wool is just like muffler packing in dirtbikes. Which i have readily available:D And the press and seal wont be hard to find. If i decide to and i have an problems i will post up. I will also post up the results if i do. It is still in contemplation for the moment though.

[jaxvon]

excellent. I might go for it, it might not. I am sure mineral wool is just like muffler packing in dirtbikes. Which i have readily available:D And the press and seal wont be hard to find. If i decide to and i have an problems i will post up. I will also post up the results if i do. It is still in contemplation for the moment though.

Perhaps, but it might not be of a high enough density to be worth it. Using high density fill is essential, not just stuff that is heat resistant. As for Peel 'n Seal, I have found that Lowes has the best prices on 25'x6" rolls.

[WmAx]

excellent. I might go for it, it might not. I am sure mineral wool is just like muffler packing in dirtbikes. Which i have readily available:D And the press and seal wont be hard to find. If i decide to and i have an problems i will post up. I will also post up the results if i do. It is still in contemplation for the moment though.

It is similar, though I am not sure of the density. Be sure the density is 5lb/ft^3 - 8lb/ft^3 range for optimal effectiveness. The material should be applied at least in 2" thickness to walls, except for the bottom of the cabinet and directly behind the drivers -- which should be 4" thick.

-Chris

[jagxtype]

the packing i use is high density to keep the sound down. It should be plenty dense...i will check though. I beleive it was mineral wool or some kind of fiber strand.

[allargon]

I hate starting new threads. I picked up a pair of Primus P362's on Monday. I just got back to test them out tonight. My bedroom receiver is a less than great Sony STR-K790 that came with a HTTiB. I have no shame. I bought the speakers from Fry's. No way will I pay a premium for that M* cable. I bought a cheap package of 24! gauge wire for temporary testing. :o (I said temporary.)

Anyhoo, I hooked it up and played some CD's. Music sounded pretty good. My gf and I listened to gospel, jazz, hip-hop, opera and classical. The voices were too crisp. Some tracks echoed. I blame the receiver for the crispness of the vocals. Like every review out there said, the bass floor is high. One definitely needs a sub for movies or hip-hop. I considered the RBH TK5CT's instead but my budget didn't allow. Get this, my gf asked if I would buy another pair for the bedroom. Hands off the ban button!!! I actually told her we are *not* putting towers in the bedroom! I told her that we'll get some of those EMP on/in-walls from the Audioholics store instead! :p (I'll discuss in another thread the amount of clipping I plan to endure hooking 6 Ohm speakers to such an inadequate receiver.)

I plan to add more of the Primus series (except for the sub) to my setup in my great room. Then, I'll see how it really performs.

[WmAx]

I hate starting new threads. I picked up a pair of Primus P362's on Monday. I just got back to test them out tonight. My bedroom receiver is a less than great Sony STR-K790 that came with a HTTiB. I have no shame. I bought the speakers from Fry's. No way will I pay a premium for that M* cable. I bought a cheap package of 24! gauge wire for temporary testing. :o (I said temporary.)

Anyhoo, I hooked it up and played some CD's. Music sounded pretty good. My gf and I listened to gospel, jazz, hip-hop, opera and classical. The voices were too crisp. Some tracks echoed. I blame the receiver for the crispness of the vocals. Like every review out there said, the bass floor is high. One definitely needs a sub for movies or hip-hop. I considered the RBH TK5CT's instead but my budget didn't allow. Get this, my gf asked if I would buy another pair for the bedroom. Hands off the ban button!!! I actually told her we are *not* putting towers in the bedroom! I told her that we'll get some of those EMP on/in-walls from the Audioholics store instead! :p (I'll discuss in another thread the amount of clipping I plan to endure hooking 6 Ohm speakers to such an inadequate receiver.)

I plan to add more of the Primus series (except for the sub) to my setup in my great room. Then, I'll see how it really performs.

The Primus 360 is actually producing a load under 4 ohms for much of the power hungry mid-bass band. I presume the 362 is essentially identical in the load it presents. A quality external amplifier should be added if you have pre-outs. Receivers designed to drive such loads are usually limited to the upper end units.

-Chris

[allargon]

The Primus 360 is actually producing a load under 4 ohms for much of the power hungry mid-bass band. I presume the 362 is essentially identical in the load it presents. A quality external amplifier should be added if you have pre-outs. Receivers designed to drive such loads are usually limited to the upper end units.


Crap. I guess I won't be cranking it up as I am so not buying separates anytime soon.

[allargon]

Bumping this old thread to ask those of you with Primus P362's (maybe the 360's) if you're using spades or plugs. I know plugs are preferred but several people on AVS (including matt) said that plugs didn't fit the P362's binding posts.

I'm still using bare 24 gauge wire. However, I'm adding my in-ceiling surrounds now, so I'm likely going w/ 14 gauge Monoprice wire. For the end caps I'm likely going plugs to my receiver but spades? to the speakers.

[Matt34]

Bumping this old thread to ask those of you with Primus P362's (maybe the 360's) if you're using spades or plugs. I know plugs are preferred but several people on AVS (including matt) said that plugs didn't fit the P362's binding posts.

I'm still using bare 24 gauge wire. However, I'm adding my in-ceiling surrounds now, so I'm likely going w/ 14 gauge Monoprice wire. For the end caps I'm likely going plugs to my receiver but spades? to the speakers.

Did I? I've only used banana plugs in with the P362, you just have to pop off the caps on the terminals.

[Joe Schmoe]

The Primus 250s (without mods) are good enough to be well worth their original $400/pr list price. If you can get them for a lot less, they are a steal!

[Matt34]

Bumping this old thread to ask those of you with Primus P362's (maybe the 360's) if you're using spades or plugs. I know plugs are preferred but several people on AVS (including matt) said that plugs didn't fit the P362's binding posts.

I'm still using bare 24 gauge wire. However, I'm adding my in-ceiling surrounds now, so I'm likely going w/ 14 gauge Monoprice wire. For the end caps I'm likely going plugs to my receiver but spades? to the speakers.

Another cheap banana plug speaker cable option is available at the audioholics store. I'm using them in my livingroom setup and am happy with them.

http://store.audioholics.com/product/406/115/impact-acoustics-10ft-velocity-12awg-speaker-interconnect

[allargon]

Not bad...certainly cheaper than the stuff at Fry's, Best Buy, etc. (Note to all Fry's shoppers, look in the component section by the hard drives for cheaper audio cable rather than the home/car audio stereo section.)

Didn't you have to force those IA plugs into the binding posts of the Primuses? I've also got a PC250 center (which I kind of loathe, but maybe I just need to set up the distances in my receiver and not just the volume levels to appreciate) with similar posts.

[Matt34]

Not bad...certainly cheaper than the stuff at Fry's, Best Buy, etc. (Note to all Fry's shoppers, look in the component section by the hard drives for cheaper audio cable rather than the home/car audio stereo section.)

Didn't you have to force those IA plugs into the binding posts of the Primuses? I've also got a PC250 center (which I kind of loathe, but maybe I just need to set up the distances in my receiver and not just the volume levels to appreciate) with similar posts.

Yeah they took a little force to get in but they seat nicely. I'm thinking about trying a 162 as a center and keep the PC350 in case I move and don't have room for a bookshelf center.

[Alex2507]

It's spades that don't fit on the Primus line. I didn't know that the caps popped off so I've been using bananas and screwing them down in the hole in the binding post. Those wires ain't ever coming out. :D

[allargon]

Yeah they took a little force to get in but they seat nicely. I'm thinking about trying a 162 as a center and keep the PC350 in case I move and don't have room for a bookshelf center.

Please let me know how that P162 compares to the PC350 as a center. I can't stand the PC250 I have right now. I know the best center would be another P362B, but that would interfere with my DLP and produce some nasty vertical off-axis viewing to lift it high enough.

I'll be ordering some plugs. However, I'm surprised spades don't fit, as I attached bare wire by screwing down the post similar to the way one would attach spades. I'm guessing the space between the prongs of the spade is too small to go around the screw attaching the binding post?

[Alex2507]

I'm guessing the space between the prongs of the spade is too small to go around the screw attaching the binding post?

That's right. It's only the BJC spades that I tried. Another AH member also had trouble with different spades. Maybe it was MinusTheBear. I'm not sure. The bananas I am using are non locking ones that I had kicking around and didn't really trust to use on the receiver end. Scewing them down in the binding post really removes all doubt.