View Full Version : yeaaaaaah (lil' john style)
mouettus
10-16-2007, 11:50 PM
I just started working at Future Shop a month ago. I got lotsa too good deals to be true. But now, I just came across the pair of speakers I always dreamed of. Energy Reference Conoisseur RC-70. They range from 2000-2500$ here in Canada. I can get them at cost... which is 557.49$ I can't believe it. Can somebody pinch me? lol Is it a dream? I might getting 2 pairs! lol Anybody else wants 'em? :P
**No questions here. Just wanted to share my happiness :D
See this for reference to subject title: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kwNC9vQf2E
Congratulations! Always feels good to get a great deal.
Seth=L
10-17-2007, 12:28 AM
I might getting 2 pairs! lol Anybody else wants 'em? :P
If you got caught even trying to get deals for others, even your own family (unless they are gifts, and you are giving them away) you will get canned immediately. I would say it is not worth the risk, I would not offer such a service if I where you.;)
GlocksRock
10-17-2007, 11:01 AM
I hate that there is so much markup on this stuff.
I hate that there is so much markup on this stuff.
There is a solution. There are companies that sell direct on the internet without dealers. Stay with those if you don't want to pay the dealer markup.
I hate that there is so much markup on this stuff.
Speakers , have always had unreal markup . :eek:
Thats why the sales ppl. on commish , push speakers the most .
annunaki
10-17-2007, 12:59 PM
Most smaller brick and mortar shops need a fair amount of markup to stay open. You have utilitiy bills, mortgage or rent payment, employee salaries, etc., etc.
I find it funny that most people think all this "markup" just goes into someone's pocket. Most people do like to hear speakers before they buy them correct?
Don't fall head first for the "factory direct" mantra. Sure you might get the speakers 10% to 15% less than what they would sell for with a dealer, but with this sales model the manufacturer just gets to keep more of the profit, and there is no haggling over price. The only disadvantage is their distribution base is much smaller. It is quite a good business tactic by the way. Some companies do genuinely offer an outstanding product with small markups though.
Warpdrv
10-17-2007, 01:02 PM
I hate that there is so much markup on this stuff.
That to me is just downright disgusting...
$2K to $2.5K and cost is $600.00... Makes me want to puke...
bigbangtheory
10-17-2007, 01:05 PM
If you got caught even trying to get deals for others, even your own family (unless they are gifts, and you are giving them away) you will get canned immediately. I would say it is not worth the risk, I would not offer such a service if I where you.;)
What a buzzkill. But I will illustrate my agreement with a great big "WHOOOWHAT?" 'lil John style. ;)
j_garcia
10-17-2007, 01:10 PM
Well then I guess you don't want to know how much it cost to manufacture most of the other consumer products we all own...:eek:
Sounds like a good deal. I agree with Seth, if you want to get deals for others, I would simply not advertise it :) My daughter's coworker got fired for doing that at BB...on the spot.
I find it funny that most people think all this "markup" just goes into someone's pocket. Most people do like to hear speakers before they buy them correct?
Not in my case. How a speaker sounds in a dealer's show room has little relevance to how it will sound in my home. I actually avoid listening to speakers at dealer's show rooms. I'm guided by the design, enclosure size, weight (enclosure bracing) quality of drivers and specs. I only missed once in 50 years of speaker purchasing. I won't bore you with the details of that adventure.
Don't fall head first for the "factory direct" mantra. Sure you might get the speakers 10% to 15% less than what they would sell for with a dealer, but with this sales model the manufacturer just gets to keep more of the profit, and there is no haggling over price. The only disadvantage is their distribution base is much smaller. It is quite a good business tactic by the way. Some companies do genuinely offer an outstanding product with small markups though.
I won't even get into this very deeply. Let me just say that it makes zero sense to mount a business plan to cut dealers out of the distribution channel without having a really significant price benefit for the consumer. It would be a plain stupid business plan destined to fail. It would never generate enough volume. Consumers are not stupid. On the other hand, selling products at or near what the price to dealers would have been makes a great deal of sense and is destined to succeed if enough volume can be generated.
Why are the Oppo digital products considered to be such great values? Because they are the equivalent of units that list for double their asking price among dealer distributed products. They are doing it right.
I'm not very familiar with the speaker people who do online sales. I did look over the SVS site one day and was impressed with how much subwoofer they offered for the price. I suspect they are doing it right as well. If I were in the market for a subwoofer, I would go straight there. I've never heard one, by the way but that's where I would go.
That to me is just downright disgusting...
$2K to $2.5K and cost is $600.00... Makes me want to puke...
Thats the way it is with speakers , ppl. here say speakers are so important . Yes they are , but just another component of your stereo and the most marked up component of your stereo . They have been this way since i started buying Stereo equiment ( nothing ever changes , it just stays the same , they just put a new face on it ) .
I would like to try out the Newer Polks LSI or another brand whom is 4 ohm , but ill stick with my 20 year old SDA's , I don't feel justified to change , it's really not upgrading , the SDA's still hold there own in todays market .
bigbangtheory
10-17-2007, 06:39 PM
Thats the way it is with speakers , ppl. here say speakers are so important . Yes they are , but just another component of your stereo and the most marked up component of your stereo . They have been this way since i started buying Stereo equiment ( nothing ever changes , it just stays the same , they just put a new face on it ) .
I would like to try out the Newer Polks LSI or another brand whom is 4 ohm , but ill stick with my 20 year old SDA's , I don't feel justified to change , it's really not upgrading , the SDA's still hold there own in todays market .
I highly encourage you to keep an eye out for the Emotiva line of speakers. Audioholics will eventually review them. So far, we know that their build quality is excellent, and their price range is AWESOME (as is the case with their line of amps and processors too!). Very little marking up as far as we can tell.
Definitely something to watch for! Should be available in January '08. More info can be found via this link:
http://emotivalounge.proboards54.com/
mouettus
10-17-2007, 08:27 PM
hey guys... I was just kidding when I offered somebody else to have them! it was just to say that at that price... it's like giving them away! sorry if I made you too happy for a moment! haha
like i said, i just wanted to share my joy with you guys and I'm glad that it started an interesting thread. keep posting. I've been reading this site for over 2 years now. best ever. my gf tells me that I'm kind of addicted. is it possible? i mean... addicted to a site of ppl addicted to audio.:confused: lol
annunaki
10-22-2007, 01:45 AM
That to me is just downright disgusting...
$2K to $2.5K and cost is $600.00... Makes me want to puke...
That much markup on a speaker IS ridiculous and I would not sell it in good faith or conscious at that price.
I all my years of work in this industry I can say that I have never sold a pair of speakers with that much margin. Most speakers (not all) in B&M shops are at a 50% margin. Meaning if the speaker costs $50 it will sell for $100. That is usually the case with the most profitable of speakers.
When HSU was/is selling their speakers with dealers they were the same price at the dealer as what they went for online or "direct", and that was with the dealer making 30% or more.
annunaki
10-22-2007, 01:47 AM
Moettus,
Are you sure that price is not "employee accommodation" pricing? That is extremely high margin, especially for a big box retailer.
annunaki
10-22-2007, 01:59 AM
Not in my case. How a speaker sounds in a dealer's show room has little relevance to how it will sound in my home. I actually avoid listening to speakers at dealer's show rooms. I'm guided by the design, enclosure size, weight (enclosure bracing) quality of drivers and specs. I only missed once in 50 years of speaker purchasing. I won't bore you with the details of that adventure.
Your situation may not be like most who like to get an impression of the speakers first.That is good for you! :)
I won't even get into this very deeply. Let me just say that it makes zero sense to mount a business plan to cut dealers out of the distribution channel without having a really significant price benefit for the consumer. It would be a plain stupid business plan destined to fail. It would never generate enough volume. Consumers are not stupid. On the other hand, selling products at or near what the price to dealers would have been makes a great deal of sense and is destined to succeed if enough volume can be generated.
Why are the Oppo digital products considered to be such great values? Because they are the equivalent of units that list for double their asking price among dealer distributed products. They are doing it right.
I'm not very familiar with the speaker people who do online sales. I did look over the SVS site one day and was impressed with how much subwoofer they offered for the price. I suspect they are doing it right as well. If I were in the market for a subwoofer, I would go straight there. I've never heard one, by the way but that's where I would go.
If you read my post carefully you will notice I did not say ALL internet direct companies were in it for more money. Some are some are quite genuine in their approach, SVS is one of them. I also stated that they do offer some of a price incentive.
Consumers are not stupid.
How many people own Bose? How many people would fall for a "factory direct savings" model that really doesn't save much if any money? It makes one think a bit.
davidtwotrees
10-22-2007, 08:34 AM
Aren't Candian products like stereos subject to a luxury tax? I wonder if the OP's origianl high price includes a large tax, and his discount didn't?
mouettus
10-22-2007, 09:45 AM
Mouettus,
Are you sure that price is not "employee accommodation" pricing? That is extremely high margin, especially for a big box retailer.
Absolutely sure! Come and see by yourself; I'll show you. We take that price, add 10% plus taxes and then you get our employee discount.
And you guys find it sick when I tell you the cost of a 2500$ par of speakers (RC-70) is 525$? Then wait 'till I tell ya that the veritas line (v2.4i @ 5500$ a pair) costs 875$ to futureshop.
annunaki
10-22-2007, 02:00 PM
I have seen dealer cost here in the U.S. for those products before and I can assure you it is higher than what you are saying especially for Veritas. Energy is a 50 point (50% markup) line at M.A.P. (Minimum Advertised Price) or at least it was a year ago and sometimes less.
Future Shop buys in very large quantities as well and I am sure gets some good discounts.
billy p
10-22-2007, 04:54 PM
Absolutely sure! Come and see by yourself; I'll show you. We take that price, add 10% plus taxes and then you get our employee discount.
And you guys find it sick when I tell you the cost of a 2500$ par of speakers (RC-70) is 525$? Then wait 'till I tell ya that the veritas line (v2.4i @ 5500$ a pair) costs 875$ to futureshop.
After reading your post here and over at AVS, I believe the cost is somewhere in the middle? However, as recent as 3 weeks ago Future shop held a friends & family sale online and offered rc30's and 70's nearing 40-45% off:). So IMO, I can live with that, when I'm ready to buy!;)
I bought my Connoisseurs at close-out and paid 1/3 of their normal retail price and just picked up a set of Take 5.2 at ¼ of original price.
I also purchased 4 Onix Reference 1.5 speakers that sold for $1,000 each for $350 a speaker; deals can be had if you don’t mind getting “last years” model or discontinued products. I refuse to pay retail prices for speakers as their markup is much worse than jewelry & clothing which typically have a 100% markup.
Sheep
10-23-2007, 12:25 AM
Absolutely sure! Come and see by yourself; I'll show you. We take that price, add 10% plus taxes and then you get our employee discount.
And you guys find it sick when I tell you the cost of a 2500$ par of speakers (RC-70) is 525$? Then wait 'till I tell ya that the veritas line (v2.4i @ 5500$ a pair) costs 875$ to futureshop.
Yeah, I just saw those the other day at my local futureshop. They won't have any stock until late 2008 though.
I don't care what price they are, I'd still buy them.
SheepStar
mouettus
10-23-2007, 07:59 AM
Yeah, I just saw those the other day at my local futureshop. They won't have any stock until late 2008 though.
I don't care what price they are, I'd still buy them.
SheepStar
WHOT?! No stock until late 2008 :confused: How should they sell speakers then??
annunaki
10-23-2007, 03:40 PM
I bought my Connoisseurs at close-out and paid 1/3 of their normal retail price and just picked up a set of Take 5.2 at ¼ of original price.
I also purchased 4 Onix Reference 1.5 speakers that sold for $1,000 each for $350 a speaker; deals can be had if you don’t mind getting “last years” model or discontinued products. I refuse to pay retail prices for speakers as their markup is much worse than jewelry & clothing which typically have a 100% markup.
You better re-check your facts Jewelry and clothing have mark-up near 200% or more. Think about it. Most Designer T-shirts cost over $20.00 each. They are made in sweat shops for say $1.00 to $2.00 maybe less. Jewelry is not quite as bad as clothing but is much worse than speakers.
Most speakers are at about 45%-50% markup in a Brick and Mortar retail shop.
Soundman
10-23-2007, 06:08 PM
You can't put a price on finding that special speaker that sounds perfect to your ears. You could spend years (not necesarily) listening to speakers, and then one day hear that perfect pair (to your ears). It's like a match made in heaven at any price, IMO. :D
mouettus
10-23-2007, 07:37 PM
You can't put a price on finding that special speaker that sounds perfect to your ears. You could spend years (not necesarily) listening to speakers, and then one day hear that perfect pair (to your ears). It's like a match made in heaven at any price, IMO. :D
Would you mortgage your home for a pair of speakers?! I mean... I've heard of some pair of speakers that cost 250K$ I think I could find a better use to that money :cool:
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