definitive technology or klipsch

[Vince NC]

I would like your thoughts on these two systems.

1 klipsch thx ultra II system.
2 definitive technology using 7000sc towers all the way around for a 7.1 system.

I will be using it for movies, music and gaming. The room is about 700 square feet, with 10 foot ceilings.
thanks Vincent

[Vince NC]

Anyone ?? I can't believe no one has any thoughts on these.

[Warpdrv]

Well I would imagine It depends on what you listen too...
Do you have a budget..?

Maybe a little more info, and we could help you out here...
Have you sampled anything else out there....?

[Vince NC]

My budget is open. I have listened to a lot but not either one of these. I will have to drive about 2 hours to hear them. I listen to alot of different music from classical, celtic, jazz to rock. I want one system that will work well in all areas.I want to know if they are worth driving to hear, Thanks

[deftech]

I can not give an opinion on the klipsch as I have never heard them.
I have had a set of definitive bipolars for 7 years now. I have read alot of good things about their mythos st's so I went to go audition them. I was very impresssed. I then listened to A pair fo 7001's driven by a mcintosh amp (the mythos were being driven by a sony es receiver.) Let me preface this by saying I have become very accostemed to (and partial to) bipolar speakers. I have auditioned several speakers/amps over the years, for some 30 years now. I was BLOWN AWAY by the dt/mac setup. I played a track off a very well recorded jazz cd, Brian Brombergs take on cantaloupe island. It literally sounded like the band was in the room. The only spekers I have ever heard that I liked better were the $70,000 martin logan statements. Here are some very good professional reviews

http://www.definitivetech.com/reviews/BP7001scTAS4C.pdf
http://www.definitivetech.com/reviews/BP7001SV4C.pdf

[Seth=L]

The Klipsch system is primarily a theater type speaker system. So it may not be ideal for most types of music listening. I have listened to this system, it does great for movies, and it does OK for music (OK being listenable, but not what you would consider a good music speaker).

[mperfct]

I listened to both at a Magnolia store, and I preferred the Klipschs. I thought they had a bit more detail and were more pleasing to my ear. I was listening to RF-62s and DT 7004s if I remember right. I did like the DT's, but I just liked the Klipsch's more. YMMV.

[Seth=L]

I listened to both at a Magnolia store, and I preferred the Klipschs. I thought they had a bit more detail and were more pleasing to my ear. I was listening to RF-62s and DT 7004s if I remember right. I did like the DT's, but I just liked the Klipsch's more. YMMV.
The THX Ultra system is quite a bit different form the RF-62s. The RF-62s are good for music and movies. The Ultra system was designed to be used for HT installations.

[mazersteven]

My budget is open. I have listened to a lot but not either one of these. I will have to drive about 2 hours to hear them. Thanks

If I was going to spend that kind of cash on a system. I would get in the car, and gladly make that 2 hour trip. Are they worth driving to hear? Yes they are.

Now my thoughts on both systems.

I wouldn't purchase either one. :eek: But if I had to choose one. Def Tech.

[jpaul]

DefTech's all the way. I've auditioned both. The deftechs out performed the other. You may spend a little more but the sound was definitely better. I drove two hours to audition and purchased from the link below.
But, It does depend on your ears and your hearing taste.
You want find Deftechs in best buy.
:D

[Seth=L]

You may spend a little more but the sound was definitely better.

A little more?: Try about $5000 more.:eek:

A suggestion to the opening poster. If you get the Def. Tech system, I would get the C/L/R 3000 and six BP7000SCs for the rest of the system. Be careful setting them up, because that is six pretty good size subs that could potentially cause cancellations and nulls in the bass.

[mazersteven]

2 definitive technology using 7000sc towers all the way around for a 7.1 system.


thanks Vincent

Hey if you have the cheese to spend $2500 a speaker. I would recommend these over the Def Tech, and Klipsch

Linbrook Signature

http://www.tyleracoustics.com/linbrook.html

[riceaterslc]

i have never paid the MSRP on deftech speakers. the retailer will usually give 15-20% discount off the MSRP. my setup was bought at two different locations (1,200 miles away from each other, small, non-chain stores). below are the MSRP's and what i actually paid

BP7006:
MSRP: $599.00 Each
PAID: $750.00 Pair

C/L/R 2002:
MSRP: $499.00 Each
PAID: $375.00 Each

BP 1.2x
MSRP: $199.00 Each
PAID: $200.00 Pair


between what you are looking at i would also recommend deftech, but there are many many options out there in your price range.

[jcPanny]

If you plan on a lot of 2 channel listening, you might consider the Onix Strata Mini's from AV123 w/ Ref 100 center and Ref 1's for the surround channels. They are internet direct but they have risk free trials of their bookshelf speakers or you might be able to find an owner in your area.

Check it out:
http://www.av123.com/products_product.php?section=speakers&product=78.1

FYI,
They have the system I was suggesting on sale for $3k shipped:
http://av123forum.com/showthread.php?t=21383

Just add a sub (or two).

[AVRat]

What have you listened to so far that really caught your ear? If you live in an A/V starved area, a 2-hour drive may be worth hearing both these systems. Your ears will ultimately determine the effort’s worth. Personally, I'd make the joutrney. Is this a dedicated room or more of a family/great room? For the money there are certainly a lot of options available. I think I'd start with 4 - SVS PB13-Ultras or 2 - JL Audio Fathom 13s, then go from there. BTW, did you decide on a setup from your post last summer.

[Warpdrv]

Where do you live, maybe some people here can help you find a dealer that you might not be aware of...

What size is your room...?

Im not sure I really care for Klipsch for Jazz & Classical... they seem to be more of a bright (some say ear bleeding) speaker, which in my opinion does fair well with that type of music... They are pretty good for HT but My buddy has them for his HT (NOT THE ULTRA II), and I don't last too long in that room.. but then again, he is hard of hearing in one ear, and he got them at less then cost. He said, if he looks at new speakers they wouldn't be Klipsch.

I Have a larger room for my HT, and for subs, I would look into either 2 of the SVS PB12-Plus/2 (http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-plus2.cfm) Or 2 of the not yet released PB13-Ultra (http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-pb13ultra.cfm)

Simply amazing subs for HT as well as music, IMO I have SVS... They are pretty, and Potent.


BTW, what happened to your reviews of the Paradigm S8's and the RBH's last fall... ?

[Lady Phoenix]

I generally agree with what many folks have already said in that I'd prefer the DefTechs over the Klipsch if those were the only two choices and you were more interested in listening to music over movies.

But it seems like you're more interested in knowing whether you should make a pilgrimage to go have a listen. I think it would be worth the trip, just for comparison to whatever you've already heard previously if nothing else. Heck, even if you end up not liking either of them, at least it helps validate whatever you've listened to and liked so far. Two hours isn't *so* bad of a drive to get this kind of warm fuzzy. :)

[Buckeye_Nut]

I would like your thoughts on these two systems.

1 klipsch thx ultra II system.
2 definitive technology using 7000sc towers all the way around for a 7.1 system.

I will be using it for movies, music and gaming. The room is about 700 square feet, with 10 foot ceilings. thanks Vincent

I've never personally heard the Klipsch Ultra2 system, but every review I've read raved about it's performance.

Both are quality gear, but which is best for you really depends on you.

As a klipsch fan myself, I'd lean towards klipsch because I love their sound....... but that's just me. What's best for you may be something very different;)

[Vince NC]

I'm still working on the same theater from last summer. I had to put things on hold. I was injuried and had to have several back operations. I listened to the S8 paradigms in a 7.1 set-up using their adp's for surrounds. I really liked them. The RBH dealer around here closed. I will have to drive 4 hours to hear them. I guess I will have to make a long weekend of it and do some driving to hear some of the better set-ups. Ilive in Greensboro NC. The only high end dealer here is a custom shop that does not have any systems set-up with different brands, they want you to trust their judgement as to what sounds best.

[Joe Schmoe]

I keep seeing all these threads about fill in the blank vs. Klipsch. My .02 worth is that I would recommend most decent brands over Klipsch. I bought some RB 61s and ended up selling them because they sounded excessively bright, harsh, and metallic. In the long run, fatigue made them unlistenable.

[myhdht]

I have to go with Klipsch,as I own the Klipsch RC-64
RF-63
Great sound in ALL areas of music,movies,and gaming. I would love to have boughten their flagship sub but too much $$$ so I purchased 2 Polk audio PSW-1000 sub boxes. Go with Klipsch you will not be dissappointed.

[Joe Schmoe]

Go with Klipsch you will not be dissappointed.

I went with Klipsch, and I was extremely dissappointed.:(

[highfihoney]

Klipsch speakers are a love/hate kinda deal,either people love them or they run from the room,this type of consumer response is not all BS,speakers with horn tweeters or mids are not for everybody,Altec,JBL & Klipsch all get the same mixed consumer reviews,it's a horn thing not a Klipsch thing,I personally like Klipsch speakers & own several models so take what i say with a grain of salt.

Before you buy ANY speaker with horns make sure you spend as much time listening to them as possible,and if you can listen to the same model at a few different stores.

[AVRat]

From another post.
I have been told that it is better to have full range speakers at all locations for a true 7.1 system. I have also been told that the new HD formats need full range speakers to sound it's best. This is where I need some help. The room I am building will be 25x33x10. I am thinking of using 7 Bp7000sc running them full range and two trinity subs for the LFE channel. My thoughts are with the bipole design I would get the direct sound and reflected sound for music and movies. I think it would be the best of both worlds. I would be thankful for any help I can get. Sorry so long Vince NC.

The first thing of note is that the new HD formats don’t offer anything different in the frequency spectrum than what’s currently available. The theory behind using full-range speakers all around is that it will hopefully help even out the bass response of the room. The one problem I’d have using the 7000s for surrounds is that they need to be placed out from the wall behind them for best sound. Granted the room your building is large (HUGE), the question you have to ask yourself, “Is this setup acceptable?” If you are also using the system for a good amount of m/c music then perhaps this is the way to go. For a more HT oriented setup, I’d be inclined to use the BPVX or /p for surrounds paired with a SuperCube Reference. There are many setup options which can be very daunting and frustrating when making these decisions. Have you had a chance to listen to them yet?

[Vince NC]

AVRat
I have not. The only dealer is about 100 miles away. I am going to a GTG with AV123 at the end of month. They are bringing the new Line Source (LS 9) speakers and the BMF sub to the meeting. I was planning on stopping in to definitive dealer and listen to the 7000sc the same day so I can compare the two.
The GTG and the dealer are within 10 miles of each other. How far do the 7000 need to be away from the wall. I was allowing 24" for wall clearance for any speaker I get. Do you think that is enough? These speakers are not what I'm stuck on, I just thought with the built in subs the would be less intrusive than setting up a sep. sub at each location. again thanks. VinceNC

[zildjian]

How far do the 7000 need to be away from the wall. I was allowing 24" for wall clearance for any speaker I get. Do you think that is enough?

Should be. I have mine about 1.5 or 2 feet from the wall, they are the BP2000's but that's the same speaker except for the sub's, mine are single 15" w/ a different amp, but the high frequency drivers are the same. You'll have to play around with placement to get them "just right", but giving them a little room to breath between the rear & the wall helps. I've had my Definitives in 4 different houses now (I have to move a lot regretfully), but I've always found between 1-2 feet to be a good distance.

[mazersteven]

AVRat
I have not. The only dealer is about 100 miles away. I am going to a GTG with AV123 at the end of month. They are bringing the new Line Source (LS 9) speakers and the BMF sub to the meeting. I was planning on stopping in to definitive dealer and listen to the 7000sc the same day so I can compare the two.
The GTG and the dealer are within 10 miles of each other. How far do the 7000 need to be away from the wall. I was allowing 24" for wall clearance for any speaker I get. Do you think that is enough? These speakers are not what I'm stuck on, I just thought with the built in subs the would be less intrusive than setting up a sep. sub at each location. again thanks. VinceNC

From the conversations I have had with Sean at AV123. Those LS9's should sound sweet. At $4000 a pair I should hope so. There are a lot of speakers in that price range. Like the Salk Veracity HT3's.

http://www.salksound.com/ht3.html

[dem beats]

Vince,
If these 2 types are what you are sticking to go def tech. Honestly I didn't like them. I really didn't, I think they are verry musical however. I wouldn't put them on the same level as maggies, as those have won me over for vocal and acoustic music. A Mcintosh driving a pair of Big maggies is something that is just incredable......

That said when looking at def tech (I think they are much better than the klipsch set ups I have heard... I don't know if they were the ones you mentioned however.) As Highfi said though horns are something different. I heard a pro set up with horm speakers and it was the best in home/shop set up I have heard. The best advice I think is to go listen to the def tech's for a few hours. This will be the way to tell if you really will love them. I liked the sound they had, but something was not right, and maybe they didn't have enough breathing room.. maybe the listening position wasn't the best. Who knows but they didn't make me LOVE them so I moved on and I could have got the verry best they make for about 1,500(for the pair) from a friend who is getting rid of his whole set up. I just didn't fall in love. I don't have too much flexability with my room placement and I thought the def tech were a bit too needy for breathing room as I made the sales rep pull them away from the wall and turn off the sub and just play the towers through movies and music. It was stunning the differance that a few feet from the wall made... and that wasn't what I could do in my room.

I also like to have things other people do not. This played a big part in my choice when I got my ENERGY RC set up. No one I know has seen them and the sound blew me away.

I think it's been said but 2 hours drive is well worth it!
=)

[solomr2]

Well, I have auditioned the DTs, but I don't think I auditioned that specific set of Klipsch.

I will tell you that if you like listening to movies with a lof sound effects and action, you will not beat the BP series by DT for the aural experience and the incredible punch they deliver. And frankly if movies were more my main listening requirement I swear I would have bought that set of DTs. I have never heard a better sounding home theater sound system. The sound just seems to come from all around you and it was sound you can feel in your soul.

However, music is more important to me. When I played various selections of music on the bipolar setup of DTs, they just didn't impress me as much. The soundstage was great, but the mids and highs were a little muddy and just didn't give me the sense of accuracy I was hoping for. When I heard them back to back with the Mythos setup, they just fell flat on the music selections I mostly like to listen to.

Conversely, the Mythos sounded pretty good with movie tracks and sound effects, but considerably less impressive than the BPs for movies. If I could have both; the Mythos for music and the BPs for movies, that would be the ultimate. However, my room, nor my wallet could afford that, so I went with Mythos 1s L/R, Mytho 3 C, Mythos Gems for surrounds, and a Supercube 2 sub. At some point in the future I may consider swapping the gems with my Mythos 1s, and getting the new Mythos STs for L/R duty.

I know I also auditioned a 5.1 setup of Klipsch speakers. I don't recall the exact model. From memory I seem to recall they were a bit bright and just couldn't reproduce good clean mids, but had decent lows.

Have you asked your local dealers if they lend you the speakers to try in-home. I think that is the only way you can really be sure. Take as much time as necessary to audition, and be sure to take your own material to listen to so you can compare the systems with material you are familiar with.