how would you spend 2k?

[a__thekevlar__2]

Hey guys, this is my first post here, just stumbled along the site trying to learn about speakers. I'm a 20 yo college student and am looking for an audio setup for my living room and im looking to spend about $2,000. I'm just looking for 2 floorstanding speakers, a sub and I need a receiver. I don't really know much about speakers or anything but I love loud noises, lol. I'll be using them mainly for music(hip-hop and techno mainly), I'll have a ps3 and xbox360 hooked up but thats not really my main concern as far as sound goes. Appearance is also pretty important to me. I was looking into the Mirage OMNISAT V2 FS and know nothing about subs or receivers. Also I don't really want surround sound right now cuz I don't want wires around and I'll be moving out in a year, but I might want to upgrade in the future. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[abboudc]

Hey guys, this is my first post here, just stumbled along the site trying to learn about speakers. I'm a 20 yo college student and am looking for an audio setup for my living room and im looking to spend about $2,000. I'm just looking for 2 floorstanding speakers, a sub and I need a receiver. I don't really know much about speakers or anything but I love loud noises, lol. I'll be using them mainly for music(hip-hop and techno mainly), I'll have a ps3 and xbox360 hooked up but thats not really my main concern as far as sound goes. Appearance is also pretty important to me. I was looking into the Mirage OMNISAT V2 FS and know nothing about subs or receivers. Also I don't really want surround sound right now cuz I don't want wires around and I'll be moving out in a year, but I might want to upgrade in the future. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

I'd buy a pair of Mordaunt Short 908's for $550 + shipping here (http://www.tsto.com/cgi-bin/TSTO.storefront/45abc795005d14fe2740ac1003410657/Product/View/2510)

Then an SVS PC+ 20-39 for $899 here (http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-cyl-plpow2.cfm)

Then a Yamaha RX-V659 or RX-V2500 with the rest. I've seen the RX-V2500 less than $500, but YMMV.

That'd be a killer 2.1 system, and very tough to beat for the price.

[j_garcia]

With an SVS Plus, you won't need the 908s, the 906s would be fine, then that cash could go towards an Outlaw RR-2150, which would be ideal for 2.1

[Joe Schmoe]

Given that you intend to use a sub, I am not sure why you are specifying floorstanders. You could get better quality bookshelves+stands within your price range, and you wouldn't be paying for the bass twice.

[Crackerballer]

If it were me, RX-V2500 or Denon AVR-887. Depending on if ever plan on getting an HD Display. Denon has HDMI switching. Speakers, Axiom M60s or Some nice bookshelves (Studio 20's or 40's) And then a nice SVS or HSU sub.

[a__thekevlar__2]

Given that you intend to use a sub, I am not sure why you are specifying floorstanders. You could get better quality bookshelves+stands within your price range, and you wouldn't be paying for the bass twice.

I didn't even realize this, I really don't know that much about this kind of stuff... Thanks for input so far guys, this is extremely helpful. Any reccomendations for bookshelf speakers? Basically forget i said floorstadning now and just let me know what you would get with 2k, also 2k isnt really the limit its more the range, im up for spending like 2000-2500ish

[a__thekevlar__2]

If it were me, RX-V2500 or Denon AVR-887. Depending on if ever plan on getting an HD Display. Denon has HDMI switching. Speakers, Axiom M60s or Some nice bookshelves (Studio 20's or 40's) And then a nice SVS or HSU sub.
I already have a HDTV if thats what you mean, basically the speakers is the last part missing to my system, and i plan on using hd cables and stuff, any reccomendations on that kind of stuff?

[Crackerballer]

oh then this setup for sure:

Denon AVR-887 ($600 shipped off Ebay from Canal HiFi, brand new, first quality, with sore receipt)
My Paradigm Studio 20's (for sale for $650 in the classifieds on here)
SVS PB-12 NSD ($600)

And that leaves money in the bank

[Joe Schmoe]

My Paradigm Studio 20's (for sale for $650 in the classifieds on here)

Shameless!:D (A good deal, though. Those are nice speakers.)

[a__thekevlar__2]

how much should i be planning on spending on each part(sub, speakers, receiver) should it be equal or should it be weighted one way or the other?

[Joe Schmoe]

how much should i be planning on spending on each part(sub, speakers, receiver) should it be equal or should it be weighted one way or the other?
You can find some good subs in the $400 range, and not much less than that unless you get used or a deep discount. How much you need to spend on the receiver depends on whether you want to add surround capability or plan to stick with stereo. If it were my budget, I would say around $500 in the first case or $300 in the second. This leaves $1100-$1300 for speakers (and stands if you get bookshelves), which gives you a lot of options. The B&W CM1s are excellent for $900.

[j_garcia]

I'd focus on the main speakers first, then the right power to drive them, and then the sub.

[Joe Schmoe]

I'd focus on the main speakers first, then the right power to drive them, and then the sub.
Remember that his main interest is in Hip Hop and Techno. I think he will need a good sub right away.

[HiJon89]

If I were you I'd get:
Pioneer VSX-1014TX for ~$300-$350 Shipped off of eBay/Videogon/Audiogon and use it as a pre/pro
Rotel RB-1080 amp for $650 Shipped from here:
http://www.tsto.com/cgi-bin/TSTO.storefront/45abc795005d14fe2740ac1003410657/Product/View/2549
RBH 661-SE Speakers for $700-750 Shipped from eBay/Videogon/Audiogon
HSU VTF-3 MK2 Subwoofer for $600-650 Shipped from eBay/Videogon/Audiogon

Total: $2250-2400

Even if you don't agree with the choice of speaker/sub, I would definitely try to get a dedicated power amp rather than a receiver.

[Crackerballer]

a good mid-upper level receiver can run $500-1000. Just decide on the bells and whsitles you want. Anythin around 100 watts a channel will drive most speakers in your price range.

The Rx-v2500 has like 120 or 130 per channel, which is great.

Just go try out some speakers at dealers. Axiom has a 30 day return policy.

[Joe Schmoe]

If I were you I'd get:
Pioneer VSX-1014TX for ~$300-$350 Shipped off of eBay/Videogon/Audiogon and use it as a pre/pro
Rotel RB-1080 amp for $650 Shipped from here:
http://www.tsto.com/cgi-bin/TSTO.storefront/45abc795005d14fe2740ac1003410657/Product/View/2549
RBH 661-SE Speakers for $700-750 Shipped from eBay/Videogon/Audiogon
HSU VTF-3 MK2 Subwoofer for $600-650 Shipped from eBay/Videogon/Audiogon

Total: $2250-2400

Even if you don't agree with the choice of speaker/sub, I would definitely try to get a dedicated power amp rather than a receiver.
$1000 for amplification out of a $2000 budget? That seems pretty excessive to me. Why not just use the Pioneer? I think the speakers (including sub) have a far bigger impact on the sound of the system as a whole. (An amp upgrade can always come later.)

[Crackerballer]

Agree, but if the speakers are underpowered they will be crap. I have no sub with my Studio 20's and set to large they vibrate my walls. You could get by without a sub, or with an entry level sub (av123 x-sub $242) and go hard on the speakers and amp/receiver

[HiJon89]

$1000 for amplification out of a $2000 budget? That seems pretty excessive to me. Why not just use the Pioneer? I think the speakers (including sub) have a far bigger impact on the sound of the system as a whole. (An amp upgrade can always come later.)
Good speakers driven poorly will sound bad, as will bad speakers driven well. I tried to find a good balance given the budget constraints. He said he likes to listen at loud volumes and the amp built into a mid-level receiver just doesn't have the power he's looking for.

[j_garcia]

I can't say that I would expect hip hop to benefit from great speakers, but I did notice that the large amount of techno that I listen to did benefit from a well controlled speaker. Techno/electronica tends to use a lot of midrange and a LOT of stereo splitting/panning, as well as a lot of bass activity. I've heard quite a few speakers that don't do electronica well, and not so many that can handle it really well.

You are right, within your budget, you need to find a good balance between power and speaker, but that starts by choosing the right speaker for your needs, then find the right gear to power those speakers. Do that right and you can get away with any sub until you are ready to get a good one. There are a few subs that are quite good at the $400-500 point that will do well enough, which is why I say don't worry so much about the sub, or at least not a higher end sub unless you are looking for serious bass.

[a__thekevlar__2]

haha, now im starting to get confused, i didn't know that an amp and a receiver were 2 different things, if i get an amp do i need a receiver also. yes, i realize im a speaker noob.

[jonnythan]

A receiver is an amp and a preamp in one unit.

An amplifier is just an amplifier. You input an analog signal and it amplifies it and puts it out the speaker terminals. There's no input switching, no bass management, no Dolby Digital decoding, none of that.

Many people opt to use separate amps, but in your price range a good receiver should be more than adequate, as it integrates the amplifier functions with the decoding, D/A conversion, input switching, processing, bass management, etc.

[Xsound]

If I am looking to jam now, and possibly go home theater later, I would want something that puts out the SPLs & is easy to drive. It would also need to be respectable for Home Theater later on. Even though the speakers aren't really my cup of tea, they would rock any party.

Klipsch RF-82 $998
Klipsch RC-62 $450
Hsu VTF3 mk3 $650
Pioneer VSX 1016 $370

The prices for the speakers are MSRP. They are an 8 ohm load & a sensitivity of 97-98 dB. The price for the receiver is online price from authorized dealers like onecall, JR, etc.

Get the center channel. It won't hurt at parties, and will help for watching movies now. Add the surrounds after you move out. When the format wars settle down, move the Pioneer receiver into the bedroom with the Hsu horns, the SVS monitors, or something similar for a bedroom system, and upgrade the main receiver.

there you go, 2 systems in 2 years & you Rock!

[a__thekevlar__2]

I would want something that puts out the SPLs & is easy to drive... It would also need to be respectable for Home Theater later on. They are an 8 ohm load & a sensitivity of 97-98 dB.

riiiiiiiiight

[jonnythan]

The sensitivity of a speaker is a measure of how many decibels it puts out per watt.

A sensitivity of 97dB means the speaker puts out 97dB with 1 watt of input. That's a lot. Since an increase of 3dB represents an apparent 2x volume increase, a speaker with a 97dB sensitivity will be twice as loud with the same input wattage as a speaker with a 94dB sensitivity. This generally isn't especially important when you have ample amplification driving the speakers, but it can be important if you want to play super loud and/or fill a large space

[Crackerballer]

Oh, right, translate. 8 ohm is the resistance of alot of speakers, some going lower into 4 and 2. Most receivers use the 8 ohm as their measure for power and require 8 ohm speakers for optimal performance.

I say ask around and see what people in your area have, and what you like. Pick your speakers (we can start you in the right direction) then come back to us and we can help you find something to drive them.

[no. 5]

A sensitivity of 97dB means the speaker puts out 97dB with 1 watt of input. That's a lot.
indeed that is a lot; front row at a rock concert will be around 120dB. :eek:
a normal conversation is around 60 - 70dB.

[flyboylr45]

If I were you I would buy Monitor Audio S2 for $449.00 from this website (http://saturdayaudio.com/), my Musical Fidelity A3.2 integrated amp that's on sale for $750, and that leaves you with $1300 for a subwoofer.!!!!!:D

[zumbo]

B&W 602's $600
http://www.listenup.com/servlet/UpdateEngine/?FUELAP_SITEDBID=SITE%5F%2D66&FUELAP_OP=FUELOP_NewScreen&PAGE_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&DP_ID=LISTENUP%5FDP%5F20378267&SECTION_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&FUELAP_TEMPLATENAME=lu%5Fproduct&

Yamaha 2500 or 659 as mentioned. $500

SVS PB-12 Plus $1149(shipped) in oak to match B&W's
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-plus1.cfm

$2249. A little left for shipping of speakers and receiver.

[no. 5]

B&W 602's, Monitor Audio S2's... for hip-hop?!?



:p ;)

[zumbo]

B&W 602's, Monitor Audio S2's... for hip-hop?!?



:p ;)

Either one. Two of the best speakers out there. Just because the music su(ks, doesn't mean the speakers have to.:eek:

[no. 5]

Just because the music su(ks, doesn't mean the speakers have to.:eek:
good point. :D

[a__thekevlar__2]

lol, hip hop is just for parties and stuff and to get the girls to dance, drink and make bad decisions :P, personally i like electronica, rock, metal, and pretty much everything but country

[zumbo]

$687.88 shipped
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4082104

$950.59 shipped
http://www.onecall.com/ProductDetails.aspx?id=28697

$500.00 Yamaha as a pre-pro

$359.24 shipped
http://www.jr.com/JRProductPage.process?Product=4082105

$2497.71 total. A little more or less with shipping on receiver.

Rap/Metal/electronica/dance only. System will be extremely loud.
(NOTE: Total of 3 15" woofers)

[a__thekevlar__2]

i dont think that'd be good for me because my music tastes vary a bunch and im not a big fan of rap, i think my favorite music is probably like electronica/dance, would the B&W 602s allow me to listen to a wider range of music?

[zumbo]

i dont think that'd be good for me because my music tastes vary a bunch and im not a big fan of rap, i think my favorite music is probably like electronica/dance, would the B&W 602s allow me to listen to a wider range of music?

Rap/techno/jungle/electronica/dance.

It's most all machines. Perfect for CV. CV is the ultimate party speaker. They are huge. They are loud. They are tough.

B&W 602's are a fine speaker. Not going to fill a room with loudness. They will sound great though. I honestly don't think they are the speaker of choice for this aplication. However, for 2k, the B&W system would be a smart buy. It wouldn't touch the CV system for a party system. No how, no way.

[a__thekevlar__2]

B&W 602's $600
http://www.listenup.com/servlet/UpdateEngine/?FUELAP_SITEDBID=SITE%5F%2D66&FUELAP_OP=FUELOP_NewScreen&PAGE_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&DP_ID=LISTENUP%5FDP%5F20378267&SECTION_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&FUELAP_TEMPLATENAME=lu%5Fproduct&

Yamaha 2500 or 659 as mentioned. $500

SVS PB-12 Plus $1149(shipped) in oak to match B&W's
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-plus1.cfm

$2249. A little left for shipping of speakers and receiver.

i kinda like this one, any other opinions on this setup? do you think it would be good for me to grab a center channel with this setup as well? also, what do you think about substituting the svs pb-12 for the svs 20-39 plus, i thought it looked cool and goes with my setup better because i have a silver/black tv with a tv stand thats painted a grayish color with glass shelves that matches the tv. the cylinder sub has a more modern look to it like the rest of my setup.

edit: also i have a ps3 that im hooking up to it with hdmi, so does my receiver need hdmi? or can i just connect the hdmi directly to the tv and just use optical audio to the receiver? is hdmi audio better than optical?

[no. 5]

Rap/techno/jungle/electronica/dance.

It's most all machines. Perfect for CV. CV is the ultimate party speaker. They are huge. They are loud. They are tough.

B&W 602's are a fine speaker. Not going to fill a room with loudness. They will sound great though. I honestly don't think they are the speaker of choice for this aplication. However, for 2k, the B&W system would be a smart buy. It wouldn't touch the CV system for a party system. No how, no way.
I agree, and thay arn't bad with other stuff too (heard Elton John at a freinds house over CV's, it sounded quite plesent).

[zumbo]

Link to black B&W
http://www.listenup.com/servlet/UpdateEngine/?FUELAP_SITEDBID=SITE%5F%2D66&FUELAP_OP=FUELOP_NewScreen&PAGE_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&DP_ID=LISTENUP%5FDP%5F20378269&SECTION_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&FUELAP_TEMPLATENAME=lu%5Fproduct&

I never look at the cyclinder subs. I have cats. They would make a scratch post out of them.

No cats, no problem.

Center speaker is for dialog in movies/tv. Also used in dvd-a, sacd, and dts audio. Depends on your plans for the system. The Yamaha will be capable.

[a__thekevlar__2]

Rap/techno/jungle/electronica/dance.

It's most all machines. Perfect for CV. CV is the ultimate party speaker. They are huge. They are loud. They are tough.

B&W 602's are a fine speaker. Not going to fill a room with loudness. They will sound great though. I honestly don't think they are the speaker of choice for this aplication. However, for 2k, the B&W system would be a smart buy. It wouldn't touch the CV system for a party system. No how, no way.

someone posted earlier that it doesn't make much sense to buy floorstanding speakers and a subwoofer cuz im paying for bass twice? also first and foremost this system is about good sound, watching movies and listening to reasonably loud music while im doing stuff around the apt...having a good party system is kind of a secondary thing im lookin for

[zumbo]

someone posted earlier that it doesn't make much sense to buy floorstanding speakers and a subwoofer cuz im paying for bass twice? also first and foremost this system is about good sound, watching movies and listening to reasonably loud music while im doing stuff around the apt...having a good party system is kind of a secondary thing im lookin for

You certainly don't want CV's in an apartment.:eek: I would also recommend a front firing sub. Not one firing in the floor, unless you are on the bottom floor.

There is a difference in floorstanders. I use them, but they have small drivers. The same size as the bookshelf speakers, but two mid-bass. They offer a little more extension(603). Either will work fine. There is a 602 floorstander as well.

http://www.listenup.com/servlet/UpdateEngine/?FUELAP_SITEDBID=SITE%5F%2D66&FUELAP_OP=FUELOP_NewScreen&PAGE_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&DP_ID=LISTENUP%5FDP%5F20378251&SECTION_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&FUELAP_TEMPLATENAME=lu%5Fproduct&

603 is more like what I use with a sub.
http://www.listenup.com/servlet/UpdateEngine/?FUELAP_SITEDBID=SITE%5F%2D66&FUELAP_OP=FUELOP_NewScreen&PAGE_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&DP_ID=LISTENUP%5FDP%5F20378265&SECTION_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&FUELAP_TEMPLATENAME=lu%5Fproduct&

I would start with the bookshelf speakers. Then, later, move them to the rear and replace with the 603"s and matching center.
http://www.listenup.com/servlet/UpdateEngine/?FUELAP_SITEDBID=SITE%5F%2D66&FUELAP_OP=FUELOP_NewScreen&PAGE_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&DP_ID=LISTENUP%5FDP%5F20378257&SECTION_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&FUELAP_TEMPLATENAME=lu%5Fproduct&

Also, a local dealer for the B&W's would be best. Not sure about how listen-up sells through the net. They are an authorized dealer though. Wouldn't hurt to call.

[a__thekevlar__2]

You certainly don't want CV's in an apartment.:eek: I would also recommend a front firing sub. Not one firing in the floor, unless you are on the bottom floor.

There is a difference in floorstanders. I use them, but they have small drivers. The same size as the bookshelf speakers, but two mid-bass. They offer a little more extension(603). Either will work fine. There is a 602 floorstander as well.

http://www.listenup.com/servlet/UpdateEngine/?FUELAP_SITEDBID=SITE%5F%2D66&FUELAP_OP=FUELOP_NewScreen&PAGE_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&DP_ID=LISTENUP%5FDP%5F20378251&SECTION_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&FUELAP_TEMPLATENAME=lu%5Fproduct&

603 is more like what I use with a sub.
http://www.listenup.com/servlet/UpdateEngine/?FUELAP_SITEDBID=SITE%5F%2D66&FUELAP_OP=FUELOP_NewScreen&PAGE_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&DP_ID=LISTENUP%5FDP%5F20378265&SECTION_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&FUELAP_TEMPLATENAME=lu%5Fproduct&

so now im lookin more at the first system you posted, with a front firing sub, do the cylinders fire front down or up?

[zumbo]

so now im lookin more at the first system you posted, with a front firing sub, do the cylinders fire front down or up?

I added more to the last post. Not sure about the sub. Read-up on it.
Looks to be down-firing.

Next option.
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-pb12nsd.cfm

[a__thekevlar__2]

k, so after learning a little more about my situation, could you post the things you would by? i got kinda confused with all the options that were made available

[zumbo]

New receiver option with HDMI. I will add the rest as I go.
$799.99 shipped
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-bYJl1AKpvts/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=10420&I=022RXV1600&search=Yamaha+VENDORID022&SearchDisplay=Yamaha
$600.00 pair + tax
http://www.listenup.com/servlet/UpdateEngine/?FUELAP_SITEDBID=SITE%5F%2D66&FUELAP_OP=FUELOP_NewScreen&PAGE_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&DP_ID=LISTENUP%5FDP%5F20378269&SECTION_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&FUELAP_TEMPLATENAME=lu%5Fproduct&
$600.00 + shipping
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-pb12nsd.cfm
$1999.99 + shipping on sub & tax for speakers(or shipping, if listen-up will ship). No need for added amp, since you are in an apartment.

That receiver will have all the power you need for now. Later, when you add the 603's up front, you can add your amp of choice. When I added my amp, I found a great deal on a five channel. Depends on the deal of the day. Like the receiver from Crutchfield. Better snatch that puppy up.

Also, this is not plug and play equipment. Alot of careful set-up is needed when you get everything connected.

Most important. Read and follow all instructions from this link.
http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/setup/avhardware/audiovideosetup.php
Many others.
http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/setup/index.php

[a__thekevlar__2]

New receiver option with HDMI. I will add the rest as I go.
$799.99 shipped
http://www.crutchfield.com/S-bYJl1AKpvts/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?g=10420&I=022RXV1600&search=Yamaha+VENDORID022&SearchDisplay=Yamaha
$600.00 pair + tax
http://www.listenup.com/servlet/UpdateEngine/?FUELAP_SITEDBID=SITE%5F%2D66&FUELAP_OP=FUELOP_NewScreen&PAGE_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&DP_ID=LISTENUP%5FDP%5F20378269&SECTION_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&FUELAP_TEMPLATENAME=lu%5Fproduct&
$600.00 + shipping
http://www.svsound.com/products-sub-box-pb12nsd.cfm
$1999.99 + shipping on sub & tax for speakers(or shipping, if listen-up will ship). No need for added amp, since you are in an apartment.

That receiver will have all the power you need for now. Later, when you add the 603's up front, you can add your amp of choice. When I added my amp, I found a great deal on a five channel. Depends on the deal of the day. Like the receiver from Crutchfield. Better snatch that puppy up.

Also, this is not plug and play equipment. Alot of careful set-up is needed when you get everythin connected.

awesome dude, thanks sooooooo much for all your help, i think this is what im gonna get. I should probably get some cables and stuff right? any reccomendations on things like that or anything else that i need?

[zumbo]

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/

http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/buyingguides/cablebudgetguidelines.php

nappy time!

[Warpdrv]

I seriously can't believe that someone didn't mention this option to you...
http://www.svsound.com/products-sys-sbs_black.cfm

http://www.svsound.com/products/systems/lts01/system-lg.jpg


Svs has had great reviews on their speaker system...
Or hold out for a bit, and they are coming out with their next linup of mid level speakers http://www.svsound.com/products-spks.cfm

and you could probably upgrade the sub for a few bucks if you emailed them..

Might be worth your time.. then you have a few more bucks to put into a better receiver... :)

good luck

Warp

[HiJon89]

I seriously can't believe that someone didn't mention this option to you...
http://www.svsound.com/products-sys-sbs_black.cfm
I guess the rest of us must have the read the part of his description where he said he wants a 2 channel system.

[zumbo]

That is an awesome receiver, for an awesome price.

SVS might have good subs, but I seriously doubt those little speakers will do the trick. a__thekevlar__2 is looking for premium speakers, not HTIB.:rolleyes:

[Warpdrv]

I guess the rest of us must have the read the part of his description where he said he wants a 2 channel system.


HAHAHHA Not the first time I Made an @ss out of myself...

Nor will it be the last... :D :cool: :D

[Crackerballer]

CRutchfield is so overpriced.

http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?cgiurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.com%2Fws%2 F&fkr=1&from=R8&satitle=rx-v1600&category0=

[Nick250]

There is a difference in floorstanders. I use them, but they have small drivers. The same size as the bookshelf speakers, but two mid-bass. They offer a little more extension(603). Either will work fine. There is a 602 floorstander as well.
http://www.listenup.com/servlet/UpdateEngine/?FUELAP_SITEDBID=SITE%5F%2D66&FUELAP_OP=FUELOP_NewScreen&PAGE_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&DP_ID=LISTENUP%5FDP%5F20378251&SECTION_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&FUELAP_TEMPLATENAME=lu%5Fproduct&

603 is more like what I use with a sub.
http://www.listenup.com/servlet/UpdateEngine/?FUELAP_SITEDBID=SITE%5F%2D66&FUELAP_OP=FUELOP_NewScreen&PAGE_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&DP_ID=LISTENUP%5FDP%5F20378265&SECTION_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&FUELAP_TEMPLATENAME=lu%5Fproduct&

I would start with the bookshelf speakers. Then, later, move them to the rear and replace with the 603"s and matching center.
http://www.listenup.com/servlet/UpdateEngine/?FUELAP_SITEDBID=SITE%5F%2D66&FUELAP_OP=FUELOP_NewScreen&PAGE_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&DP_ID=LISTENUP%5FDP%5F20378257&SECTION_ID=LUPAGE%5F60134&FUELAP_TEMPLATENAME=lu%5Fproduct&

Also, a local dealer for the B&W's would be best. Not sure about how listen-up sells through the net. They are an authorized dealer though. Wouldn't hurt to call.

IMO stay away from the 602.5. It's really a 601 in tower configuration. In my listening tests, I found the stand mount 602 had a much fuller dynamic sound. It should, it has the bigger driver found in the larger tower. At $600 I think it's a bargin. However, let your ears decide, not mine.

Nick

[Matt34]

That is an awesome receiver, for an awesome price.

SVS might have good subs, but I seriously doubt those little speakers will do the trick. a__thekevlar__2 is looking for premium speakers, not HTIB.:rolleyes:

You classify Cerwin Vegas as premium?

I seconded the Klipsch RF-82 with a HSU VTF3 MK III sub. Great dynamics for movies and party music.

[HiJon89]

You classify Cerwin Vegas as premium?
I believe he was referring to the B&W 602's.

[cstpeter]

I guess the rest of us must have the read the part of his description where he said he wants a 2 channel system.

I'm a little late to the party, but why are you guys recommending a receiver if he wants a 2-channel setup?

And do you really think a front-firing sub versus a down-firing sub matters with regard to neighbors? Bass is bass. It's annoying to neighbors no matter which way it's directed. If you want 2-channel, get a nice sealed, musical sub (Martin Logan, Velodyne, REL, etc...SVS is nice, but music and 2-channel is not their strength!).

My .02, you have gotten bad advice. Figure out what you want (HT v. 2 channel) and buy used sh*t...no receivers from Crutchfeild, IMO.

Sorry if I missed some info in this 5-page post, but come on guys!

[jonnythan]

I'm a little late to the party, but why are you guys recommending a receiver if he wants a 2-channel setup?

And do you really think a front-firing sub versus a down-firing sub matters with regard to neighbors? Bass is bass. It's annoying to neighbors no matter which way it's directed. If you want 2-channel, get a nice sealed, musical sub (Martin Logan, Velodyne, REL, etc...SVS is nice, but music and 2-channel is not their strength!).

My .02, you have gotten bad advice. Figure out what you want (HT v. 2 channel) and buy used sh*t...no receivers from Crutchfeild, IMO.

Sorry if I missed some info in this 5-page post, but come on guys!
I agree with most of what you said, except the receiver part. Nothing wrong with a receiver, and it will function nicely.

Absolutely go for a quality sealed sub, not a huge ported box.

[cstpeter]

A receiver will certainly function, but why would you want one for 2-channel? If you're gonna get a receiver, get that new Outlaw retro 2-channel or a NAD or a Rotel...it's a question of features and HT-stuff v. sound quality and power. If you want or need the former, cool; if you want nice 2-channel, then the latter is the clear choice, IMO.

[jonnythan]

A receiver will certainly function, but why would you want one for 2-channel? If you're gonna get a receiver, get that new Outlaw retro 2-channel or a NAD or a Rotel...it's a question of features and HT-stuff v. sound quality and power. If you want or need the former, cool; if you want nice 2-channel, then the latter is the clear choice, IMO.
"Also I don't really want surround sound right now cuz I don't want wires around and I'll be moving out in a year, but I might want to upgrade in the future."

Get a nice receiver now and he won't need to replace it for a long, long time to come. He can just add a center and some surrounds when he decides to go for the surround sound thing.

[cstpeter]

Touche jonny, definitely didn't see that post. sorry man.

If surround is in the future, then i agree with the receiver...except for the fact that if surround is a couple years from now, then I think it's best to wait until then to buy a receiver. Receiver technology is like TV's...ever changing and cheaper. if he's looking 2-channel for the next couple years, buy a nice used 2-channel amp and preamp (or integrated).

[HiJon89]

I'm a little late to the party, but why are you guys recommending a receiver if he wants a 2-channel setup?
I recommended a receiver because most of the sources he was planning on using are going to output digital, so having a receiver to down-mix to stereo, convert to analog, and switch between sources would just make everything easier. Oh, and also because his original post said he wants a receiver.
If surround is in the future, then i agree with the receiver...except for the fact that if surround is a couple years from now, then I think it's best to wait until then to buy a receiver. Receiver technology is like TV's...ever changing and cheaper. if he's looking 2-channel for the next couple years, buy a nice used 2-channel amp and preamp (or integrated).
My thoughts exactly, which is why I recommended picking up a used Rotel RB-1080 and the cheapest receiver you can find with pre-outs. The good thing about a power amp is that its extremely future-proof, all it does it amplify an analog signal, no need to worry about DTS HD or Dolby True HD or whatever they'll think of next :p

[cstpeter]

You make good points hijon. I hear ya. And I hope this guy has fun with whatever he chooses, cuz this is what this hobby's all about.

But dude! I went through a few AVR's before I realized they are only good for one thing: HT. For music they degrade everything they touch, unless we're talking B&K or Sunfire or something like that.

If he wants 2-channel, then my first advice is buy used. If he can't, then do something like this:

--Revel Concerta F12 ($1298): Floorstanders with all the bass you'll need for music.
--Outlaw RR2150 2-channel receiver ($599): Very well reviewed, and looks cool as hell
--Cambridge Audio 540C ($439): Very decent source; and there are many options he could go with here, including a OPPO universal player with a Musical Fidelity tube buffer, or if he can swing it, a Rotel 1072...

that's a sweet musical system, and upgradeable!

[Joe Schmoe]

IMO stay away from the 602.5. It's really a 601 in tower configuration. In my listening tests, I found the stand mount 602 had a much fuller dynamic sound. It should, it has the bigger driver found in the larger tower. At $600 I think it's a bargin. However, let your ears decide, not mine.

Nick
I second the 602s. They are great speakers. They are very versatile, and sound good with all types of music. Also, they put out enough bass that you could do without a sub in a moderate-sized room.

[a__thekevlar__2]

what about the NHT Classic Three and the Yamaha RX-V1700, any comments on these?

[jonnythan]

The Classic Three is very, very cool. I heard them a week or two ago. I hear you need to have a very good source and amplification for them though, as they're extremely transparent.

[a__thekevlar__2]

does that mean i need to buy a amp as well or will a receiver take care of it? if i buy the classic three for 800 will i have to go out of my budget?, i think i can get the classic three for 600 on ebay as well. The main thing I don't want to do is buy too nice of bookshelf speakers and not have enough power behind them.

[jonnythan]

The Yamaha will have enough power, but I have no idea whether it's "good enough" or whatever.

The 2-channel Outlaw receiver that cstpeter keeps talking about might fit the bill though. I'm just guessing here though. All I know is that I listened to the Classic Threes and they were indeed awesome. I've always liked NHT sound.

[JackT]

pair of Ascend CMT-340 ($568)

HSU VTF 3.3- $649

Yamaha RX-V659 $500

[zumbo]

So much can happen while I am at work.:rolleyes:

There is a budget here. Did some of y'all forget?

A 2-channel receiver will limit the future of the system.

A Yamaha receiver from an unauthorized dealer is not worth saving a few bucks. By the time you add shipping, it isn't that big-of-a-deal.

Crutchfield has been around for years. Nothing-at-all wrong with them.

None of the other speakers mentioned in this thread, other than Monitor Audio, can hold a candle to B&W. NHT's are good, but in no way $200 better. I would get the 602's if the NHT's were the same price.

IMO, don't even think about the Outlaw or ebay. Get piece-of-mind. And, get proven quality.

Everyone should take notes from JackT. The OP gave a budget, and asked for a complete suggested system. So, you should post your ideas with the cost to back it up.

[a__thekevlar__2]

i cant find the B&W 602s, listenup.com doesnt mail order these, i found a few listings on ebay but i dont really like buying used electronics from ebay, if you know where i can find a pair, please let me know

[abboudc]

Or....

a pair of Paradigm Studio 100's (http://www.tsto.com/cgi-bin/TSTO.storefront/45ad6432006f1c4c2740ac100341060f/Product/View/2441) ($1920) and Yamaha 2500 or 659 ($500)

or if you want bookshelves
Mordaunt Short 914 ($269)
SVS PC+ 20-39 ($900)
Receiver of your choice.
You could even get two PC+20-39's and still be in budget. You'll probably get kicked out of school for the bass though :)

Honestly though, i'd probably lower your budget and pick up something cheaper. Don't spend the money until you know what you're getting for it. If you can't hear/appreciate the difference between a $300 speaker and a $600 speaker, why spend the money? Not that you're not getting good advice, they're all great speakers being recommended.

Something like a pair of Onix X-LS's with an SVS cylinder sub would kick butt as a dorm room setup, be great for parties, and best of all you wouldn't lose sleep when your buddy puts his Heineken bottle on the top of one of your speakers.

[zumbo]

and best of all you wouldn't lose sleep when your buddy puts his Heineken bottle on the top of one of your speakers.

My buddy wouldn't get much sleep with a broken jaw!:eek:

[Nick250]

IMO stay away from the 602.5. It's really a 601 in tower configuration. In my listening tests, I found the stand mount 602 had a much fuller dynamic sound. It should, it has the bigger driver found in the larger tower. At $600 I think it's a bargin. However, let your ears decide, not mine.
Nick

What is missing from this thread is that the very first thing you do when are in the market for new speakers is to grab your favorite CD and audition every damned speaker in withing 25 miles of where you live (except Wyoming and Montana, then it's 300 miles) your price range. Listen to all of them, the very first thing! Then one can come to a forum like Audioholics and discuss speakers with a solid understanding of what one likes and dislikes and the forum members can make valid comparisons to ID speakers will be much more in tune with the kind of sound you like. Often the speakers you thought you would like, you don't like and visa versa.

The other option is to buy all the various ID speakers at once and then send back the loser's.

End of rant.

PS, auditioning can be a lot of fun too.

Nick

[Joe Schmoe]

i cant find the B&W 602s, listenup.com doesnt mail order these, i found a few listings on ebay but i dont really like buying used electronics from ebay, if you know where i can find a pair, please let me know
B&W are only sold in brick and mortar stores. Unlike many other brands, however, such stores are very widespread and easy to find. (Maybe not quite "one in every city", but close to it.)

[zumbo]

B&W are only sold in brick and mortar stores. Unlike many other brands, however, such stores are very widespread and easy to find. (Maybe not quite "one in every city", but close to it.)

I found him a B&W dealer 86 miles away, along with a local Monitor Audio dealer. I sent in a PM.

Monitor Audio is a great option. And, with the dealer being local, it just may be the best option.;)

[Matt34]

So much can happen while I am at work.:rolleyes:

There is a budget here. Did some of y'all forget?

None of the other speakers mentioned in this thread, other than Monitor Audio, can hold a candle to B&W. NHT's are good, but in no way $200 better. I would get the 602's if the NHT's were the same price.



Everyone should take notes from JackT. The OP gave a budget, and asked for a complete suggested system. So, you should post your ideas with the cost to back it up.

Why is it you come off as condescending more times than not?

Choosing speakers are a very personal thing. Just because you think nothing listed is better than the B&W is YOUR opinion, not fact...try not to confuse that. There are plenty of people that don't care for the 600/700 series B&W.

Other people listed their preferences here the least you could do is not insult them.

[Joe Schmoe]

I found him a B&W dealer 86 miles away, along with a local Monitor Audio dealer. I sent in a PM.

Monitor Audio is a great option. And, with the dealer being local, it just may be the best option.;)
Monitor Audio and B&W have a lot of similarities, sound quality wise.

[a__thekevlar__2]

What is missing from this thread is that the very first thing you do when are in the market for new speakers is to grab your favorite CD and audition every damned speaker in withing 25 miles of where you live (except Wyoming and Montana, then it's 300 miles) your price range. Listen to all of them, the very first thing! Then one can come to a forum like Audioholics and discuss speakers with a solid understanding of what one likes and dislikes and the forum members can make valid comparisons to ID speakers will be much more in tune with the kind of sound you like. Often the speakers you thought you would like, you don't like and visa versa.

The other option is to buy all the various ID speakers at once and then send back the loser's.

End of rant.

PS, auditioning can be a lot of fun too.

Nick

As much as I would like to do this, I simply don't have the time between being a full time student and also making my living as a professional online poker player. The reason I came to this was because I figured you guys love this stuff and you would be able to point me in the right direction, and save me the time of listening to every speaker and also prevent me from buying absolute crap as I love to buy quality in everything I buy. Thus far your responses have been phenomenal and I've learned quite a bit about speakers and I thank you guys for your help.

[zumbo]

You classify Cerwin Vegas as premium?

I seconded the Klipsch RF-82 with a HSU VTF3 MK III sub. Great dynamics for movies and party music.

Why is it you come off as condescending more times than not?

Choosing speakers are a very personal thing. Just because you think nothing listed is better than the B&W is YOUR opinion, not fact...try not to confuse that. There are plenty of people that don't care for the 600/700 series B&W.

Other people listed their preferences here the least you could do is not insult them.

Sorry to ruffle your feathers there friend. But, as you can see, you have already mis-quoted me in this thread. I never said CV was premium.

Second, all replies are opinion. Do you think OP is not aware of that. I never attacked anyone. I gave an opinion. Your reply was rude.EDIT: Removed rude comment from this post.

EDIT: Added new one.:eek:
BTW, Klipsch sound like crap. Opinion? Yes. Fact? To me it is.

[jaxvon]

Sorry to ruffle your feathers there friend. But, as you can see, you have already mis-quoted me in this thread. I never said CV was premium.

Second, all replies are opinion. Do you think OP is not aware of that. I never attacked anyone. I gave an opinion. Your reply was rude.EDIT: Removed rude comment from this post.

EDIT: Added new one.:eek:
BTW, Klipsch sound like crap. Opinion? Yes. Fact? To me it is.

You could easily measure some Klipsch speakers and prove them to be crap (which they are).

[jonnythan]

Guys, the OP is not doing critical listening to classical music here. He's mostly going to be listening to hip hop and techno at loud volume levels and playing video games.

I wouldn't want to listen to Iron Maiden and Judas Priest on some NHT bookshelf speakers, you know? We're not looking for absolute sonic accuracy here. We're looking for party speakers that will thump and rock.

[zumbo]

Guys, the OP is not doing critical listening to classical music here. He's mostly going to be listening to hip hop and techno at loud volume levels and playing video games.

I wouldn't want to listen to Iron Maiden and Judas Priest on some NHT bookshelf speakers, you know? We're not looking for absolute sonic accuracy here. We're looking for party speakers that will thump and rock.

Thus the reason I mentioned CV. But, OP wants quality for times of critical listening.

You know, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest would sound like crap through most speakers.(nothing against either band, but one wouldn't consider the music to judge a speaker)

But, techno and rap sound good through most. I just don't care for electronic music. I like the real thing.

Top-shelf speakers do a good job with techno and rap.

Loud speakers that boom will do a better job with techno and rap in that area. They will be loud and boom. But, put some detailed music in. I don't think I need to explain what will come out.

[WmAx]

You could easily measure some Klipsch speakers and prove them to be crap (which they are).

I usually will not butt in on speaker opinions. But agree completely with the crap-like assessment. So I'll share my opinion as well. I make this exception, because I feel that Klipsch is especially deserving of the crap badge. The primary shortcoming[besides extremely poor off axis response] of Klipsch speakers, it seems, are the very poor cabinets[I find most speakers to have poor cabinets overall, but Klipsch is among the worst so far as 'respected' manufacturers in my observation], which appear to be extremely resonant. It does not matter whether you are referring to the entry level or reference line -- I found not one with what seemed to be even borderline acceptable cabinets. I don't believe I have ever heard a more resonant sounding cabinet for the price, as compared to what I perceived with the large reference floor standers. The timbre is heavily distorted as a result. Curiously, I walked around to the sides, and held my ear within an inch or two of the cabinet surfaces, and I seemed to easily hear the narrow band resonances coming from the huge panels at such a high level that it was easy to isolate from the main speaker SPL. Cruising the manufacturer website, they touted some construction method that minimizes panel resonances on their reference speaker. Yes, I did LOL. Literally.

-Chris

[a__thekevlar__2]

Guys, the OP is not doing critical listening to classical music here. He's mostly going to be listening to hip hop and techno at loud volume levels and playing video games.

I wouldn't want to listen to Iron Maiden and Judas Priest on some NHT bookshelf speakers, you know? We're not looking for absolute sonic accuracy here. We're looking for party speakers that will thump and rock.

I'm not just your average college fratboy here that doesn't know anything about music. I'm not just looking for loud speakers, if I didn't really care about sound quality I woulda just gone out and bought some bose piece of crap or whatever. Although I have a little bit of that college moron in me who just wants to hear loud thumping music, I was all state in band in high school etc... and I do know what music is supposed to sound like, there's no reason that I can't play my music loud but still desire a certain amount of quality to the sound.

[jonnythan]

I'm not just your average college fratboy here that doesn't know anything about music. I'm not just looking for loud speakers, if I didn't really care about sound quality I woulda just gone out and bought some bose piece of crap or whatever. Although I have a little bit of that college moron in me who just wants to hear loud thumping music, I was all state in band in high school etc... and I do know what music is supposed to sound like, there's no reason that I can't play my music loud but still desire a certain amount of quality to the sound.
I think you misunderstood me. I wasn't implying any of that. In fact, if I were in the market for new speakers right now, they'd probably be speakers much more suited to listening to Maiden and Van Halen than to Tori Amos and Diana Krall, even though I like all of the above artists. I've noticed that speakers typically prized by audiophiles don't really sound very good with certain types of music (mostly metal, but I don't really listen to techno or hip hop, though I imagine it's somewhat the same case with that), so I was trying to make sure everyone kept your specific needs in mind.

You're right, there's no reason you can't like to play it loud *and* want quality. That's what most all of us want. There's a lot of production value and quality sound in a lot of music that's passed on by audiophiles. Many Iron Maiden albums, for instance, have excellent production values and really shine on serious, quality equipment. I have no doubt that's exactly the case in the hip-hop and techno world as well.

I guess a lot of people have this "people who listen to hip-hop just want as much distorted, buzzy bass as possible" kinda stereotype going on, so I can understand why you're maybe defensive about it. I can also understand how you read my initial post as putting down that type of music as somehow inferior to classical. I don't even listen to classical, I like music that rocks. I also respect hip-hop and techno as forms of music that have great value and, often, excellent production. They're not for me personally, but that's that.

Again, sorry if I offended you or anything like that.

[billy p]

I usually will not butt in on speaker opinions. But agree completely with the crap-like assessment. So I'll share my opinion as well. I make this exception, because I feel that Klipsch is especially deserving of the crap badge. The primary shortcoming[besides extremely poor off axis response] of Klipsch speakers, it seems, are the very poor cabinets[I find most speakers to have poor cabinets overall, but Klipsch is among the worst so far as 'respected' manufacturers in my observation], which appear to be extremely resonant. It does not matter whether you are referring to the entry level or reference line -- I found not one with what seemed to be even borderline acceptable cabinets. I don't believe I have ever heard a more resonant sounding cabinet for the price, as compared to what I perceived with the large reference floor standers. The timbre is heavily distorted as a result. Curiously, I walked around to the sides, and held my ear within an inch or two of the cabinet surfaces, and I seemed to easily hear the narrow band resonances coming from the huge panels at such a high level that it was easy to isolate from the main speaker SPL. Cruising the manufacturer website, they touted some construction method that minimizes panel resonances on their reference speaker. Yes, I did LOL. Literally.

-Chris
I hope their purchase of API will give them instant creditability? That is, as long as they leave Energy and Mirage alone:D

[Matt34]

a__thekevlar__2,

As this thread has shown, everyone has a different opinion on what sounds good. If your really serious about quality sound and getting the most for your money then you owe it to yourself to demo as many speakers as you can.


Zumbo, Jaxvon,

I don't really know much about speakers or anything but I love loud noises, lol. I'll be using them mainly for music(hip-hop and techno mainly), I'll have a ps3 and xbox360 hooked up but thats not really my main concern as far as sound goes. Appearance is also pretty important to me.

That is why myself and another recommended the Klipsch, just like Zumbo recommended the CV. Now, if he would have clarified some preferences beforehand, my recommendation wouldn't have been the same.

[zumbo]

:D

Zep rules.:D

[Joe Schmoe]

You know, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest would sound like crap through most speakers.(nothing against either band, but one wouldn't consider the music to judge a speaker)

I disagree. That type of music does use a lot of intentional distortion, and probably sounds like noise to those who don't like it, but some of it is very well recorded. In fact, as much or more time and money is put into some metal albums as into many mainstream pop albums. It takes good speakers to reproduce a particular guitar distorted by a particular amp and not make it sound like random or "generic" distortion.:)
(FWIW I don't often enjoy listening to metal anymore, but I did when I was young.)

[mouettus]

Maybe this question is a bit off-topic but you guys keep arguing on metal music that plays intentional distortion. I listen to a lot of that. From metal to heavy metal to alternative metal. Been disappointed by my Polks for that. Energy C-x series are great.

What would you recommend for "iron maiden" (in terms of speakers)??

[Joe Schmoe]

Maybe this question is a bit off-topic but you guys keep arguing on metal music that plays intentional distortion. I listen to a lot of that. From metal to heavy metal to alternative metal. Been disappointed by my Polks for that. Energy C-x series are great.

What would you recommend for "iron maiden" (in terms of speakers)??
As I mentioned earlier, I like B&W for many types of music, metal included. I can clearly distinguish the tones of specific makes/models of electric guitar on them.
If I played more rock and less jazz/new age, however, I would probably choose the 602s over the 705s. They seem more "robust", if that makes sense.

[billy p]

Zep rules.:D


I know this is the wrong thread, but what the hell!:o The way I see it its them, then everyone else! Albeit PF is a close second;).

[jonnythan]

What would you recommend for "iron maiden" (in terms of speakers)??
An arena, some Marshall stacks, and lots of watts.

[JackT]

pair of Ascend CMT-340 ($568)

HSU VTF 3.3- $649

Yamaha RX-V659 $500

When I made the above recommendation, one of the considerations was durability and robustness. Uncompromising sound, but no high gloss natural wood finishes. No-nonsense gear that can tolerate the real world but still deliver classical music.

[zumbo]

An arena, some Marshall stacks, and lots of watts.

ROTFLMFAO!:eek: :D

[abefroeman]

a little late, but I have put quite a bit of thought into a 2k system.

$1,200 ($400/pair) 3 pairs of B&W 602 bookshelf speakers on ebay.
$375 Outlaw Audio 950 pre/pro on ebay.
$480 ($160/pair) 3 Behringer A500 power amps

$2,055 total

power amps found here for $160 (delete the space)
www.limited goods.com/itemView.php?Prod=A500