Mcintosh speakers, most overpriced on the market? [Archive]

Tawnos

01-11-2007, 10:57 PM

http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/loudspeakers/McIntosh-XLS340.php

I have heard the XLS series and can not believe that mac is charging that much for such a basic sound. The only thing that mac does right with their speakers is having a high SPL output and a high power handling ratting. But if someone wants a higher then average SPL output why not run a horn loaded speaker for about 1/10th the price?

Rock&Roll Ninja

01-11-2007, 11:44 PM

The MSRP on those isn't even a downpayment on a truely overpriced loudspeaker. And some people don't like horn tweeters.

highfihoney

01-12-2007, 05:39 AM

For a high end speaker their price is pretty low,too bad all of em ive heard sounded like crap,IMO mcintosh has lost their way in speaker design.

Joe Schmoe

01-12-2007, 09:17 AM

My vote for the "most overpriced speakers" award goes to Wilson. You could buy a nice car for what some of their models cost, and they don't even have flat frequency response.:eek:

corysmith01

01-12-2007, 11:28 AM

Yeah, $7000 isn't even in the neighborhood of 150 grand like these (http://www.vonschweikert.com/zvr11.htm) from Von Schweikert. That's no knock on V-speakers...I happen to like 'em and I'd guess this particular model sounds pretty darn good. But seriously, $150,000? For speakers? And yeah, I know, those aren't even as high as it goes. I have a hard time believing that as much or more materials/engineering/design goes into those speakers than say an Aston Martin V8 Vantage (http://www.astonmartin.com/eng/thecars/v8vantage), which happens to cost ~$30,000 less.

Nick250

01-12-2007, 12:24 PM

Cory, I love car metaphors when talking about diminishing returns. As we move through a certain price point, the more expensive product turns into toy factor or bragging rights. That being said, if I were rich there would be late 1960's mint condition Ford GT40 in my garage.

Nick

corysmith01

01-12-2007, 12:54 PM

if I were rich there would be late 1960's mint condition Ford GT40 in my garage

You and me both. Excellent choice.:cool:

cstpeter

01-13-2007, 12:03 AM

Never heard McIntosh speakers, but some of their amps and sources are fantastic.

My vote for the "most overpriced speakers" award goes to Wilson. You could buy a nice car for what some of their models cost, and they don't even have flat frequency response.:eek:

I don't know man, I recently heard the $40,000 Wilson Maxx and they were crazy good. Overpriced, probably; but most luxury items are. I'd love to hear those $150,000 Von Schweikerts...imagine how much you have to spend on electronics to do those speakers justice? Damn. Actually, there's a guy on this forum with gear in this category. I'm gonna go find his posts...and he seems real cool...if I had **** like that i'd brag about it all day.

cstpeter

01-13-2007, 12:11 AM

Sleestack's his name. Crazy gear.

Cory, I love car metaphors when talking about diminishing returns. As we move through a certain price point, the more expensive product turns into toy factor or bragging rights. That being said, if I were rich there would be late 1960's mint condition Ford GT40 in my garage.

Nick

Gotta say, I'll take the new Ford GT over the classic. It's a sexier and faster version of the original, IMO. (1-60 in 3.3? what?)

Nick250

01-13-2007, 12:07 PM

Sleestack's his name. Crazy gear.

Gotta say, I'll take the new Ford GT over the classic. It's a sexier and faster version of the original, IMO. (1-60 in 3.3? what?)

No question the new Ford GT is nice and will drive 500% better on the road than a GT40. The forty part is the height of the car from road to the highest part of the roof. The proportions and design of the classic GT40 somehow just do it for me. The new GT is a very nice car and I would have no problem having it in my garage instead.

Nick

Tawnos

01-13-2007, 03:08 PM

Never heard McIntosh speakers, but some of their amps and sources are fantastic.

Other then their amps and pre amps Mcintosh makes nothing but crap and now days where class D is taking over their amps are nothing but expensive paper weights. My MC501 amps sound 100% the same as a class D receiver.

porziob

01-13-2007, 03:23 PM

Aayush

01-13-2007, 03:50 PM

genesis has a set of speakers more expensive than the Von Schweikerts at $165,000...safe to say that they are overpriced?

Tawnos

01-13-2007, 04:11 PM

We are not talking about the ultra high end where you have a one off piece where there is $50,000 worth of man hours put into the speaker. We are talking about simple speaker bulids that have a huge profit margine to pay for a NAME.

mtrycrafts

01-13-2007, 04:26 PM

highfihoney

01-13-2007, 09:44 PM

Other then their amps and pre amps Mcintosh makes nothing but crap and now days where class D is taking over their amps are nothing but expensive paper weights. My MC501 amps sound 100% the same as a class D receiver.

You must be kidding,i demoed the mc501's at the same time as the mc1201's & i thought they were great amps,if you really think they suck that bad then lets make a deal,they would be sweet for my rear channels.

dave1490

01-13-2007, 10:53 PM

My vote for the "most overpriced speakers" award goes to Wilson. You could buy a nice car for what some of their models cost, and they don't even have flat frequency response.:eek:

i,v seen some 23,000 jbl,s and that,s only 3-way.some of the whole house systems are hundred,s of thousands of $$$.

dave1490

01-13-2007, 10:59 PM

Nick250

01-13-2007, 11:16 PM

or a 427 ford ac cobra.

In my teens back in the mid sixties, before I saw a GT40 up close, I figured the Cobra would be the ideal car to drive to school each day. In hindsight, my 1960 Triumph TR3 was far better for me as I am still alive.

Nick

no. 5

01-14-2007, 12:08 AM

My vote for the "most overpriced speakers" award goes to Wilson. You could buy a nice car for what some of their models cost, and they don't even have flat frequency response.:eek:
a nice car?? you could buy a six pack of nice cars! :D

Rock&Roll Ninja

01-14-2007, 12:12 AM

a nice car?? you could buy a six pack of nice cars! :D
Yeah, but nobody thinks of a Honda Accord while they have sex with the wife now do they?

no. 5

01-14-2007, 12:16 AM

Yeah, but nobody thinks of a Honda Accord while they have sex with the wife now do they?
LOL, good point. :D

cstpeter

01-16-2007, 02:48 AM

Other then their amps and pre amps Mcintosh makes nothing but crap and now days where class D is taking over their amps are nothing but expensive paper weights. My MC501 amps sound 100% the same as a class D receiver.

Tawnos, I used to just suspect that you were a moron back when you told everybody that Martin Logan speakers are all crap...but now I'm sure that you're a moron.

Sorry to ad hominem you buddy, but if all you have to offer to these types of posts is "McIntosh makes nothing but crap," then you are indeed a moron.

Tawnos

01-25-2007, 10:32 PM

You think McI just slapped those speakers together and making a killing off it?

Yes, they did that with their MX135.

You must be kidding,i demoed the mc501's at the same time as the mc1201's & i thought they were great amps,if you really think they suck that bad then lets make a deal,they would be sweet for my rear channels.

The MC501's are a better amp then the 1201's but for the price a good quality class D amp is a much better choice.

Tawnos, I used to just suspect that you were a moron back when you told everybody that Martin Logan speakers are all crap...but now I'm sure that you're a moron.

Sorry to ad hominem you buddy, but if all you have to offer to these types of posts is "McIntosh makes nothing but crap," then you are indeed a moron.

Mac produces decent amps and pre amps but anything other then that is pure junk with a name on it.

highfihoney

01-25-2007, 11:04 PM

Yes, they did that with their MX135.

The MC501's are a better amp then the 1201's but for the price a good quality class D amp is a much better choice.

Mac produces decent amps and pre amps but anything other then that is pure junk with a name on it.

Tawnos,your a blowhard,all talk & full of crap,you'd be the first mc501 owner ive ever heard of talk about thier own amps in such a way infact on top of claiming that you own mc501's(not) you've also made other wild claims like you own a mx-135,i say your full of it & challenge you to post one single pic of your amps along with your processor with its cover removed as you said you've done.

Being that you can afford $15,000 worth of high end gear that you hate rounding up a camera shouldnt be a big deal(whats that you say? you allready sold the mc501's & the mx-135) no sweat just pm me the serial numbers & we can prove in a jiffy if you've ever owned these peices of gear that you claim.

Tawnos

01-25-2007, 11:32 PM

Tawnos,your a blowhard,all talk & full of crap,you'd be the first mc501 owner ive ever heard of talk about thier own amps in such a way infact on top of claiming that you own mc501's(not) you've also made other wild claims like you own a mx-135,i say your full of it & challenge you to post one single pic of your amps along with your processor with its cover removed as you said you've done.

Being that you can afford $15,000 worth of high end gear that you hate rounding up a camera shouldnt be a big deal(whats that you say? you allready sold the mc501's & the mx-135) no sweat just pm me the serial numbers & we can prove in a jiffy if you've ever owned these peices of gear that you claim.

Deal, I will post some pics tomorrow.

highfihoney

01-25-2007, 11:38 PM

Deal, I will post some pics tomorrow.

OH goody,cant wait.:D

Clint DeBoer

01-26-2007, 01:27 AM

I have a hard time believing that as much or more materials/engineering/design goes into those speakersLOTS and LOTS of profit. Period.

Seth=L

01-26-2007, 01:34 AM

OH goody,cant wait.:D
I sense that I will be seeing red chiclets soon.:D

corysmith01

01-26-2007, 01:34 AM

LOTS and LOTS of profit. Period.

Clint, I hear ya.;)

Seth=L

01-26-2007, 01:38 AM

Deal, I will post some pics tomorrow.
While you are at it, get some pics of the broken Logans.

Sheep

01-26-2007, 01:44 AM

The GT40 is a nice car, but some of the best performing cars aren't expensive.

Case in point: Ariel Atom. A $50 000 dollar tube frame with a supercharged Civic Type R motor. Faster then a Carrera GT. HOT!

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Watch this, I love this show.

SheepStar

highfihoney

01-26-2007, 05:47 AM

I sense that I will be seeing red chiclets soon.:D

Na,i dont hand out red's i think thier silly but it is getting old in every thread this yoyo posts in his mission seems to be gear bashing no matter the brand.

Tawnos

01-26-2007, 01:32 PM

What's a good free image file hosting site? I have 3 pictures and each are 300k.

Tawnos

01-26-2007, 01:40 PM

Tawnos

01-26-2007, 01:51 PM

While you are at it, get some pics of the broken Logans.

Alrighty.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w44/Tawnos_mac/HPIM0610.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w44/Tawnos_mac/HPIM0609.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w44/Tawnos_mac/HPIM0608.jpg

Nuglets

01-26-2007, 03:48 PM

The GT40 is a nice car, but some of the best performing cars aren't expensive.

Watch this, I love this show.

SheepStar

I think those guys have some of the best opinions out there when it comes to the performance of a car. Nice video, I hadn't seen that one yet.

dpnaugle

01-26-2007, 08:12 PM

Alrighty.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w44/Tawnos_mac/HPIM0610.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w44/Tawnos_mac/HPIM0609.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w44/Tawnos_mac/HPIM0608.jpg

look at that tiny magnet. Martin Bogus?

Tawnos

01-26-2007, 08:22 PM

look at that tiny magnet. Martin Bogus?

Now that is something I can use, martin bogus, that made my day. Now lets figure out something for mcintosh.

highfihoney

01-26-2007, 08:39 PM

Lets see if this works.

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w44/Tawnos_mac/HPIM0605.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w44/Tawnos_mac/HPIM0606.jpg

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w44/Tawnos_mac/HPIM0607.jpg

Works for me,i stand corrected,what i cant figure out is your agenda,you own the 3rd most expensive amplifiers mcintosh sells but they suck,you own the current flagship mcintosh pre/pro but it sucks too,you own martin logans but they too suck & if you were'nt sure they sucked the first time you bought a 2nd pair & they suck,from another thread you also hate krell gear it sucks.

In every thread you post you have nothing but contempt for high end gear but you sure spend alot of cash on it,theres an agenda in there somewhere so let it be known.

Are you a dealer by chance?

Tawnos

01-26-2007, 10:56 PM

In every thread you post you have nothing but contempt for high end gear but you sure spend alot of cash on it,theres an agenda in there somewhere so let it be known.

I am sick and tired of the BS that all these "high end" companies are doing. Audio much like the rest has been somehow ruined by the internet and I have no idea why. Martin logan and mcintosh are not even close to the idiocy that I see in audio today but I bought into the "hype" and I have learned that it is a waste of money.

Are you a dealer by chance?

Just coke.

Sheep

01-27-2007, 12:46 AM

I think Tawnos's problem is how he words everything. If you maybe said you opinion to someone that can show some discretion, you might sound more believable. :)

SheepStar

Tawnos

01-27-2007, 11:37 AM

you might sound more believable.

So what exactly don't you believe?

highfihoney

01-27-2007, 03:47 PM

I am sick and tired of the BS that all these "high end" companies are doing. Audio much like the rest has been somehow ruined by the internet and I have no idea why. Martin logan and mcintosh are not even close to the idiocy that I see in audio today but I bought into the "hype" and I have learned that it is a waste of money.
Just coke.

Im still not buyin your reasoning one bit,over at avs forum you went through an extensive q&a about these products that your slamming,you also claimed to go to your local dealers to hear & compare products before you bought,you also claimed to have heard the mcintosh speakers that your now slamming & announced that the xrt 28's were a step up from the paradigm sig's you wanted to buy.:rolleyes:

You were also warned about jumping in with both feet into high end gear & to take it slow instead you leaped from a mc207 7 channel amp into the mc501 500 watt amps but now you realize that your reciever sounds just as good.:rolleyes:

Looking at your other thread about the mx-135 & from reading all of your posts concerning how various models of speakers are built its obvious that you know how to research how gear is made & what its made of,are you telling everybody that you just woke up & decided to research these things after you spent $25,000 on high end gear.

Tawnos

01-27-2007, 03:50 PM

are you telling everybody that you just woke up & decided to research these things after you spent $25,000 on high end gear.

I am here to tell the truth and that usually ruins the high end fan boys day.

highfihoney

01-27-2007, 04:30 PM

I am here to tell the truth and that usually ruins the high end fan boys day.

Am i a fan boy? you bet but you cant ruin my day,ive spent very little out of pocket cash (if any) on my entire collection of high end gear & if you've ever read any of my posts concerning high end gear (including mcintosh) i always recomend to buy used & make the seller take a huge loss in order to feed his upgrade hunger,i also always reccomend that buyers stay away from dealerships where their profit percentage's range from 30% to 60%.

You still never answered the question though.

Tawnos

01-27-2007, 04:41 PM

You still never answered the question though.

Does it make you mad that the digital line from Mcintosh is nothing more then re badged name brand electronics? Mcintosh is not the same company when roger was still there and you should know this.

Tom Andry

01-27-2007, 05:23 PM

Tawnos

01-27-2007, 05:30 PM

Tawnos in your time here you've done very little but bash brands you say you own. Just because you feel you've wasted your money doesn't mean you can use our forums to try to convince the rest of the world that they've wasted theirs as well. Let's move on to contributing something to the community other than negativity and trolls. If not, let's just move on shall we?

So you would rather lie about a product and say it is superior to the "name brand" store bought equipment? Why is telling the truth now days such a no no? I am trying to point out fact from fiction and I think most educated people can agree that the high end audio boys have gotten away with to much BS for far too long.

highfihoney

01-27-2007, 05:34 PM

I removed my post for the reason that i was writing my post before tom andry posted his response & after i posted his response was there , i feel its in bad taste to post on this after a moderator ended the issue so i removed my post.

Tom Andry

01-27-2007, 08:00 PM

So you would rather lie about a product and say it is superior to the "name brand" store bought equipment? Why is telling the truth now days such a no no? I am trying to point out fact from fiction and I think most educated people can agree that the high end audio boys have gotten away with to much BS for far too long.

You've made your point, ad nauseum. We get it. Move on.