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10grandTVcrazy
11-06-2006, 02:04 AM
Hello I'm a troll

In the last 20 years I have "purchased" (not really, I'm 13, but it makes for a good story) 2 big stereo and TV systems. A big Sony system in the late 80's, and a Paradigm speaker setup in the 90's. Neither of those setups really blew my mind - I still have the Paradigm speakers, but they are not really great unless the system is cranked so loud that it wakes up the family at night. These bridges where we trolls live can get very reverberant.

I am about ready to get into an LCD flatscreen now (i.e. I read the Best Buy ads in the Sunday paper my parents get), and it amazed me that I am going to have to spend about 10K to get a nice setup - that is, since I'm a troll and trollvision TVs are very expensive. Maybe I'll get away with spending a little less - but I doubt it. Whew! Very difficult process to pick out all this stuff. I have to work! Not shop for TV's like this - it's wasting my time!

In the last few days I did some shopping and realized that I am going to have to hire a guy to do the installation under our bridge, and I'll need a $1000.00 "mounting thing" for the TV so I can tilt it around and save some floorspace etc.

I put off the TV purchase for now - while I do some more research, but I realized that I would be needing some speakers etc to go with the flatscreen.

I had previously seen a Bose display at one of the local shops, and on Friday I again listened to a Bose Lifestyle system - and it confirmed to me that this was the best sounding speaker set up. They had an open box deal and so I went home to check Ebay and see if there were any AV forums and I found this one and another one that had some threads on Bose equipment. I wasted about 2 hours combing through the threads about Bose. I guess I probably should have used the search function instead. No information (http://www.intellexual.net/bose.html#cubes)! Only measurements and facts! Shame on you guys.

There certainly is a lot of Bose bashing on these threads. So much so, that I started to think it's some kind of attack on the company, or that I must be an idiot - which is likely. My best guess is that someone got burned somehow (maybe got a product from Bose or something and then actually listened to a nicer system) and decided to make it their lifelong obsession to bash Bose wherever possible! I have seen this kind of bashing before. My father once bought a bridge that ended up being made out of rotted pine and so it collapsed. Try collecting tolls on a collapsed bridge! So this actually clinched the deal for me. I am doing the reverse of what the bashers say - because I am a complete moron and a troll. Today I went out and "purchased" a Bose lifestyle 38 system for about $2200.00. Huge discount "brown goods open box" I could have purchased Boston Acoustics for a way lower price I guess, but forget it - I am going with the full set from Bose - because it sounds the best in the noisy showroom floor (or it was louder, not sure which - come to think of it, no other speakers were near it)! I have an iPod Bose thing and it's great. I have tried the noise cancellation headphones, and it showed me that Bose has real engineers working on their audio systems, though probably specializing in sanitation. I have faith that the Bose electronics are going to do the job and are going to allow us to listen to the 11 O'clock news - the true audiophile test - without having to crank the volume too loud, and will be great for DVD's and music of course. I don't care that it costs twice what it should - all good things cost - that's probably why they can afford to hire good sanitation engineer guys. I am no audiophile, but anyone appreciates a good stereo. I want the convenience, and I think I'll get it with this expensive Bose audio system.

I don't care if the speakers are made of paper and so forth and are worth $1.00 - after all, I'm a troll. Most products are like that. Probably the sanitation engineering is what makes these things sound so nice - and a good installation - I hope! I do like the marketing of this matched setup. I like the idea of the RF based remote. The other brands have goofy interfaces that actually work with universal remotes - bah. I like the proprietary, "can't ever upgrade" alternative. Don't care about their MP3 hard drive, but it's there I guess, it's a bonus. I guess I can always record the news on my radio, transfer the cassette to CD, load it into the Bose and play it back later. The speakers are small, so my wife won't think our livingroom has become a TV temple.

Now, having said all this - I haven't installed it yet - probably in the next 2 weeks I'll have the Bose audio system installed - clean install I hope. The small speakers will be mounted on the walls - and I'll get a consult from the installer about what TV to get and where to mount it. I'm thinking on the floor, but the wall might be better.

This is a weird way to enter your forum. I'll probably be asking you guys for some help on the LCD flatscreen and other things. If you're stupid, you'll answer as if I'm really not a troll. Please answer, my self esteem can't take rejection. And besides, I'll just re-register and try again.

My point that I'd like to get across is that as far as the Bose information on the public forums, I found it to be such a load of junk, that all the negativity about Bose actually caused me to go out and buy one! Clearly the facts and measurements are wrong and their advertising is what we should all trust.

People writing positive things about Bose on a forum seldom ever have personal experience of the product they are talking about. I have seen this before and it's a problem inherent to these public forums. Anyways, it's not such a big deal. They sounded great at the store - I hope they'll do the same in my parents' house. If not, I'll let you know! I doubt that I am making a mistake by "buying" the Bose, and to all the Bose bashers, unless you own the Bose lifestyle systems - your opinion is not so valuable to me - I am a troll.

Now to get them installed and to settle on whether to get a 1080p LCD and a Playstation 3 with built-in Blue Ray or just play with my Atari 2600 and post on some more internet threads about totally made up stuff.

I already made the Bose purchase, and I am pretty sure this system is going to sound a lot better than my previous systems - which was a clock radio and a Rubix cube.

If you have any positive advice that can help a troll like me - I'd like to hear about it on this thread I guess.

Rock&Roll Ninja
11-06-2006, 02:18 AM
I am about ready to get into an LCD flatscreen now, and it amazed me that I am going to have to spend about 10K to get a nice setup.

$10,000 for a flat LCD!?!?!

AverageJoe
11-06-2006, 03:42 AM
I know I shouldn't, but...

This has to be the best baited hook I've seen. With about the same budget, every single choice/purchase is opposite or contrary to my own.

If you really made your speaker decision because of (instead of in spite of) the negative comments on forums such as this, any suggestions would be pointless. Unless, of course, you want to make all purchases based on the number of people who disagree.;)

robot
11-06-2006, 04:00 AM
Well, to be fair to all of Bose's competitors, you can't base your opinion of every other speaker out there on the two systems you've bought in the last 20 years.

But I guess what's done is done, you probably can't return that open box product. Just go out of your way to not hear any speakers from the good manufacturers who are around these days and you should be happy for a long time.

Bee-Man
11-06-2006, 06:48 AM
10grand....

Forums world wide bash BOSE - and BOSE keep outselling them by ridiculous quantities - however, the sensible critics of BOSE are actually kinda correct.

But at the end of the day, more power to you if you have the system that you like...doesn't matter what anyone else says.

I had a BOSE lifestyle 30 series 2 a few years back and thought it was pretty good. Having got into the sound caper a little more, I think that better can be had for the money..but still it gave a pretty good sound to the room and in fact the whole apartment...

One thing I will also take my hat off to BOSE for is they make it simple when you want to buy a fully integrated and intelligent music system....

I dont think BOSE stack up in sound quality against what I have today and the price they charge is actually close enough to what you would pay for a decent separates package after you add in all the cabling....amps, sub woofer etc.....

There are a lot of happy BOSE customers in the world today, and equally a lot of people who believe that don't offer good value for money - at least not anymore....which I think is really the argument against them.

I think you could have really gotten less angry about BOSE bashing and seen what audioholics recommended for a 5K system...and spent a little time here sifting around - most folks here are happy to help and actually take a bit of time to read your post and then offer a solution....and with retailers also contributing, you might have picked up something a lot better for your dollar.

Each to there own, and I am glad you like your system...

Matt34
11-06-2006, 09:07 AM
That is a very unusual way of researching a new purchase. Maybe I'll try that when I look for a new dishwasher, find the one everyone gives the lowest marks for and get it out of spite without looking at anything else.:rolleyes:





Yes, I have owned Bose products before so I'm not just one of "those guys".

Clint DeBoer
11-06-2006, 09:12 AM
I took the liberty of editing the troll post above... Hope ya'll like it... lol.

Johnd
11-06-2006, 09:15 AM
If you have any positive advice that can help someone install the Bose Lifestyle 38 - I'd like to hear about it on this thread I guess. I already bought it.

Obviously bait...a moron with room temperature IQ can install the Bose systems. I have no "positive advice" on Bose installation; their manual is more than adequate. One only has to know how to read. So unless you have a more intelligible question... Just the Monday morning rant. Good edit Clint. ;)

Xsound
11-06-2006, 09:45 AM
Not only are you wise, you are shrewd and cunning as well. It is amazing to me how many people you have welcomed to your bridge (including myself, just couldn't resist). Quite a feat!.

No doubt, your "purchase" is already bringing you pleasure. Perhaps the sound will improve & your pleasure increase, once your system is unpacked and installed. Regardless of how quick your "consultant" is able to help with the clean installation, your current set-up will no doubt bring you hours of entertainment.

Enjoy,
X

GreenJelly
11-06-2006, 10:19 AM
Wow... Simply Wow...

I dont dislike Bose. At one time the company produced a speaker that was amazing, and that changed the face of speakers. Bose focused their efforts on the enclosures, something that wasnt beign done at the time. The main man at Bose built some amazing enclosures, breaking all other companies with a huge cost verse benifit.

Currently Bose did the same thing they did in the past. They build systems in very unconventional enclosures. Take their clock Radio, Satalite speakers, etc. The problem is, that these systems are not of bad quality, they are of bad design. You simply cant get the sound that us "Audioholics" want from the systems.

Bose does rock in one area, where they are the absolute best at. Car Audio! Yes, I said it, and let me repeat it... BOSE CAR AUDIO SYSTEMS ARE THE BEST CARE AUDIO AVAILABLE. Why? Because the third party Car audio systems you buy from BestBuy, CircuitCity, etc are amazing speaker drivers; that probably beat the pants off of BOSES speaker drivers. Except that these systems have very little control over where they are placed, what they are powered with and the enclosures they live in. This makes an amazing difference, and is why I must say that these are so good. It doesnt mean that you cant build a set-up for your car that isnt better then BOSE, but it does compair to you building your own speakers at the quality of the current speaker world.

I love B&W's, and they too are beign labeled as the next Bose. However unlike Bose they are building very good speakers at very good prices.

The logic you used to buy a system may leave you very unhappy. I am not a hater of Bose, but I do have my opinion. I like my coffee black, and I like my Burger King Angus Burger.

From your self recording record of buying speakers, you have had terrible luck. Maybe its time that you start listening to what others are saying.

I am totally against listening to any speaker in a store that has noise (voices, TV's, etc), and unfortunately BOSE stores are noisy. I could concede that if you want a clock radio or a satalight system, that Bose may be the best. But I wouldnt buy either.

As far as their towers, I have had the very good experiance of testing them in a very controlled environment with a few choice speakers. You may read my review in the review forum. I was one of a small group of people to really get a chance to do this. I was left unhappy with the Bose speakers.

Most people on this site have either listened to peoples bose systems in their friends homes, or havent listened to their speakers outside the store. This is unfortunate, and forces people to refer back to their hours of reading the reviews from the experts in Audio magazines. The people who write articles for these magazines, really know their stuff, have dedicated their lives to speakers and sound reproduction, and have thousands of hours of listening to systems. These people would love to see Bose sell a system that beats all other systems. These people would love to see ANY company raise the bar. They live for this, and like me they get excited when they hear of changes in a market that remained stagnet for most of last 50 years.

I truely hope you enjoy your system, and that it becomes a lifelong investment. I know I will love my B&W system till I die or until they get damaged and I cant buy replacement drivers. You wont hear me flame anyone for their decisions on this site. I only critize the questions.

Good Luck
Mike

Nick250
11-06-2006, 12:17 PM
This is pretty advanced trollery. It's the ultra long technique combined with the rarely used double reverse. I don't think I have seen these two used together before.

Nick

Jack Hammer
11-06-2006, 12:27 PM
I took the liberty of editing the troll post above... Hope ya'll like it... lol.
That's pretty funny. I especially like the "Audiophite Troll" tag under his name. You could probably hand a few more of those out.

Jack

*Side note, I didn't see the original post. You used to make your edits in red so we could clearly see the differences between the original and the edited post. Personally, I liked this a lot more. It made it easy to see what comments were from the trolls mouth and which were yours.

majorloser
11-06-2006, 12:52 PM
Yes, I have owned Bose products before so I'm not just one of "those guys".

:eek: Please Matt, tell us it was a "gift"!!!

BTW- Welcome back to the USA. Now get off this damn forum and spend some time with the wife! :p


EDIT: Not just a troll but a BC troll, ehh!

billy p
11-06-2006, 01:33 PM
[QUOTE=majorloser
BTW- Welcome back to the USA. Now get off this damn forum and spend some time with the wife! :p[/QUOTE]

that explains the concert ticket question from the other day:o!! I seconded ML suggestion about the wife ;) .

Clint DeBoer
11-06-2006, 08:53 PM
*Side note, I didn't see the original post. You used to make your edits in red so we could clearly see the differences between the original and the edited post. Personally, I liked this a lot more. It made it easy to see what comments were from the trolls mouth and which were yours.You are absolutely correct - I'm slipping. Next time I'll remember to do the red thing.

Rob Babcock
11-07-2006, 03:25 AM
I do like the bazillion red chicklets, though!:D

GreenJelly
11-07-2006, 09:30 AM
Ive always wondered what a Troll actually is... in forums I mean. Can anyone explain what makes a Forum Troll

Even Wikipedia doesnt have a description in it, though it is probably a good oportunity to add one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll

Johnd
11-07-2006, 09:44 AM
My understanding is that a troll is someone masquerading as something he is not with a (not so) hidden agenda...usually to market or sell a certain product.

Kai
11-07-2006, 09:48 AM
Surprising how many took the troll's thread so seriously.
Personally I rather enjoyed the topic.
Troll dollars have a lower value...sort of like the Canadian dollar...than the US buck so that is perhaps why it will cost him 10 large.
I wonder if he will hire a "pro" installer to install his Bose system or will he just go for it with the knowledge that Bose is "intuitive" and will walk him through the install and tweaking phase.
I think...saw it on Discovery HD I think...that troll caves also have superior acoustics over standard houses and because of this attribute have no need for the large, bulky speakers the rest of us are forced to use.

Good luck with your system Troll Man and keep us informed on its' performance.

Hans
11-07-2006, 09:53 AM
LOL!

This is great, this is an hilarious post! This Troll got his point across, with style, sarcasm, humor, and without starting a flame war. Maybe, it's a special ability of Trolls. Trolls aren't usually very smart, but they seems to be good at that.

The main thing about this hobby is that if you're happy, I'm happy. We don't have the same budget, the same use, the same taste, we don't listen and watch the same stuff (you know troll music and movies). You get the point. What I do here, is mostly comparing notes, learning stuff to make the best decisions, to get the best bang for my hard earn money.

Anyway, I guess it's fun pretending to be a Troll sometime, if only for a short time, especially at work. :D

Cheers Troll, ...and don't eat those little cubes: they are your new speakers.

GreenJelly
11-07-2006, 09:53 AM
Concrete and Earth SUCKS accustically.

If your home theater system is in the basement, you better invest in sound absorption material for the walls.

Mike

GreenJelly
11-07-2006, 10:03 AM
The main thing about this hobby is that if you're happy, I'm happy. We don't have the same budget, the same use, the same taste, we don't listen and watch the same stuff (you know troll music and movies). You get the point. What I do here, is mostly comparing notes, learning stuff to make the best decisions, to get the best bang for my hard earn money.


This is so true, and is why their is no flame wars on this site. Anyone who flames anothers choice are infact the stupid ones. The truth in this field, is that their are no truths.

My uncle is hard of hearing. He hears some notes better then others. Therefor some speakers will be GREAT for him, while others will be BAD. Well in truth, we all are hard of hearing. We all have spots in our ears or heads that are not as sensitive to certain frequencys.

Thats not even taking into account the sound area, speaker placement, perfered volume level, and on and on and on and on....

Mike

gmichael
11-07-2006, 11:29 AM
BRAVO! Not sure if it was the original post or the editing, but this was d'm funny. Thank you to whoever was responsible. You made my morning.

philh
11-07-2006, 05:58 PM
I took the liberty of editing the troll post above... Hope ya'll like it... lol.
I've been away from AH for WAY too long. This is hilarious. Are all these troll posts one address, or has the site just gotten really lucky, LOL

I was reading your "editing" to my wife and had a hard time actually getting through it.

no. 5
11-07-2006, 09:26 PM
I think...saw it on Discovery HD I think...that troll caves also have superior acoustics over standard houses and because of this attribute have no need for the large, bulky speakers the rest of us are forced to use.
so it is true! I thought that was just a mith, thank you Discovery HD :D

highfihoney
11-07-2006, 09:43 PM
Pretty darn well written for a 13 year old i'd say.

You want advice? here goes,get a rope & sling it over the nearest yard arm.............you know the rest.

The Dukester
11-07-2006, 10:23 PM
Hey, he's doing better than most with red chicklets. He has a whole line of them and isn't banned. Iv'e seen folks with one that are...encouraging a little more troling so we can have fun with the posts are we?:p

nav
11-07-2006, 10:25 PM
My understanding is that a troll is someone masquerading as something he is not with a (not so) hidden agenda...usually to market or sell a certain product.
That's generally called astroturfing (fake grassroots support, mostly as a form of advertisement). Trolls are generally out to start an argument.

I think this post had a little bit from both columns (I read the entire original, unedited post shortly after its appearance).

Trolling: He says a number of things that are blatantly nonsensical or the opposite of the general opinions of the forum's denizens hoping for a correction (an angered one, preferably). He isn't nearly as hostile as the common variety of troll; so he was either trying to subtle enough to not scare off those who'd see the trollish behavior and simply move on or he was actually intending to not be a troll at all, but rather astroturfing.

Astroturfing: the only brands he specifically mentions are products in the same market (err, kind-of) as Bose (Sony, Paradigm, Boston Acoustics). When it comes to the television, he doesn't directly mention what product he has looked at: likely his "sponsor" doesn't sell TVs or doesn't need to advertise them. (I could have sworn he had a follow-up post that did mention more after Rock&Roll Ninja's post, but it's gone now.) Then he takes the one brand he's here to push and branches into further advertisement for their other products. The previously mentioned "blatantly nonsensical" statements actually take on purpose; he previously stated the lack of objective facts about Bose to mislead the reader into not looking outside of his post for information. All numeric prices were meant to be less real and more relative (hence, no need to actually mention much about the TV), to show how economical the overpriced Bose is in comparison. And so on...

Column A or B? Well, honestly, who cares? :p

GreenJelly
11-08-2006, 10:02 AM
The problem is, that this forum isnt prone to flame wars. Its due to the fact that no one can argue someones personal preference in audio gear.

He has to go to the computer help forums, or video game forums to start flame wars.