Canadians returning svs subs

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BassHead

Banned
Canadians When you dont like the sub and you have to return like many have.Dont be beleive every thing you hear ,Many people on forums work for companys to boost their product,Some have 10 user id's,This is really bad on the forum AVS forum which i think 75% support SVS, When returning you have lost all the below.READ this from member RAGS on this forum and that he disagrees Subs costing 3 times what they are supposed to be,Hes right what he said there are different subs that you can buy.
http://www.avtalk.co.uk/forum/index.php?t=msg&th=13374&start=50&rid=0&SQ=0
#1 Brokage fee
#2 shipping cost X 2,Yes people dont think of that X 2 cost,And the shipping cost is more for you when you return the sub because it cost them less to ship.volume shipping
#3 If you use visa you lost buy back money through the bank from them when you get money returned to your visa and shipping from them is deducted as well.
#4 hassle trying to get your gst money back,Filling out forms and getting photo copy's of proof of return and mailing away,Dont ask when you get it back and that is if you do.
#5 hassle filling out customs forms when returning sub. 3 forms to fill out.
#6 Money lost and time lost Buy canadian in stead.
 
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JES14

Audioholic
Yes, I agree. When I was looking into SVS I realized I would be stuck for considerable dollars to return it. Now everyone says they are great and I'm sure they are, but there is always the "what if" factor.
 
malvado78

malvado78

Full Audioholic
Guys...

It is always said that if you are living in Canada you should look else where because of the shipping costs to you. The amount you government makes you pay is ridiculous and defeats the value of SVS. But I gues the tariffs do their job because then you will look at Canadian made products that you don't not have to pay the higher Tariffs on.

But in the good ol' U S of A there is little many subwoofers that are a better bang for your buck than SVS.
 
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johsti

Audioholic
When has anyone returned an SVS sub?:confused:

The only time I've ever heard of someone returning one was for a larger model.

If you're in Canada, and you don't like your SVsub, I know for a fact that you could sell it for close to what you bought it for. They have excellent resale value. That would be much cheaper than shipping it back to the US.

Who do you work for BassHead?:rolleyes:
 
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Kris44

Audiophyte
I have 2 SVS subs shipped to Canada. A PB12-ISD2 and a PC Ultra. My brother has a PB10 ISD. We have no desire to return them, and I havent heard of many others who think they are inferior products and need to return them. For ME it was worth it to buy SVS subs.:)
 
HookedOnSound

HookedOnSound

Full Audioholic
Hazards of cross border shopping

I don't doubt that SVS offers good value but the reality is that in Canada shipping costs are very discouraging. We pay through the nose compared to the States on shipping , including extra fees like brokerage and GST tax.
Factors like size and weight don't help the situation either.

For subwoofers, I would recommend you look locally first to see if any subs meet your needs.

There are lots of good subs out there.

As an example, my friend just returned his new Velodyne model for an Energy Speakers (Canadian Co.) unit and noticed an improvement (subjective I know) as far as SPL and Freq. ext. He also liked the Velodyne but for a few dollars more the Energy model outperformed.

Buying from a brick and mortar still has its advantages (not many but some)

Good luck
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
HookedOnSound said:
I don't doubt that SVS offers good value but the reality is that in Canada shipping costs are very discouraging. We pay through the nose compared to the States on shipping , including extra fees like brokerage and GST tax.
Factors like size and weight don't help the situation either.

For subwoofers, I would recommend you look locally first to see if any subs meet your needs.

There are lots of good subs out there.

As an example, my friend just returned his new Velodyne model for an Energy Speakers (Canadian Co.) unit and noticed an improvement (subjective I know) as far as SPL and Freq. ext. He also liked the Velodyne but for a few dollars more the Energy model outperformed.

Buying from a brick and mortar still has its advantages (not many but some)

Good luck
Any word on which models? I would trade my DPS-12 for an Energy S12.3 ANY DAY.

SheepStar
 
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BassHead

Banned
HookedOnSound said:
I don't doubt that SVS offers good value but the reality is that in Canada shipping costs are very discouraging. We pay through the nose compared to the States on shipping , including extra fees like brokerage and GST tax.
Factors like size and weight don't help the situation either.

For subwoofers, I would recommend you look locally first to see if any subs meet your needs.

There are lots of good subs out there.

As an example, my friend just returned his new Velodyne model for an Energy Speakers (Canadian Co.) unit and noticed an improvement (subjective I know) as far as SPL and Freq. ext. He also liked the Velodyne but for a few dollars more the Energy model outperformed.

Buying from a brick and mortar still has its advantages (not many but some)

Good luck
Well many have great luck with svs and dont have to return ,but if you have to, you lost money,I read a few posts of people asking about the cost for canadians on buying subs so this is what you have to work out for the money you spend.
 
mike c

mike c

Audioholic Warlord
BassHead said:
Well many have great luck with svs and dont have to return ,but if you have to, you lost money,I read a few posts of people asking about the cost for canadians on buying subs so this is what you have to work out for the money you spend.
look, im not a member of the hate club suddenly formed just for you ...

but DO YOU or DO YOU NOT have experience with SVS subwoofers?
experience in this defined as:
-have you purchased from SVS?
-did you have a bad experience with them?
-did a relative or friend have one of the above?
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
slow down slick

mike c said:
look, im not a member of the hate club suddenly formed just for you ...

but DO YOU or DO YOU NOT have experience with SVS subwoofers?
experience in this defined as:
-have you purchased from SVS?
-did you have a bad experience with them?
-did a relative or friend have one of the above?
This is a legitamate thread and in no way did he say there was anything wrong with SVS. Stop getting all defensive.

He's simply stating that if for whatever reason, Canadians are unsatisfied with an SVS product, that we will have a hell of alot of work on our hands to return the product including the payment of very costly shipping fees. Thats all he's saying. He's weighing the possibilties and to him, it may not be worth his while.

The last receiver I'll ever buy in Canada is a Denon becuase of the insane mark-up they have here in Canada. Its no reflection on the quality of Denon, but the sheer stupidity of Denon's sales department.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
3db said:
This is a legitamate thread and in no way did he say there was anything wrong with SVS. Stop getting all defensive.

He's simply stating that if for whatever reason, Canadians are unsatisfied with an SVS product, that we will have a hell of alot of work on our hands to return the product including the payment of very costly shipping fees. Thats all he's saying. He's weighing the possibilties and to him, it may not be worth his while.

The last receiver I'll ever buy in Canada is a Denon becuase of the insane mark-up they have here in Canada. Its no reflection on the quality of Denon, but the sheer stupidity of Denon's sales department.
You might wanna search his posts....

SheepStar
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Ok what am I"m missing

Sheep said:
You might wanna search his posts....

SheepStar

What did I miss? I didn't see SVS sucks or is a rip-off
 
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ragged

Senior Audioholic
Hey, if anyone in canada wants to sell their svs, let me know!
 
tomd51

tomd51

Audioholic General
3db said:
Clear as mud now
3db;
Please understand I, as well as others (I hope), aren't trying to bash Basshead because of their input, but more so the way they go about it with no justification behind their negative comments and quite often, nothing constructive about their postings.

Here's some examples:

Posting by Giuseppe:
"I have heard a lot of you guys saying that SVS subs are by far the best subs for your $$$. But, I havn't heard many people arguing which are better, the cylinder or the box? Say id you were trying to make more of a movie and games system which style would be better?"

Basshead's response:
"Wouldnt touch any of them,I know better."

Any constructive feedback here :confused: ? None that I can find, nor is there any by Basshead later on in the same thread, just what you see.

Posting by ragged:
"What would you prefer? 2 Velodyne vrp-10000's or a single svs pb-10?":

Basshead's response:
"I would pick the velos but look for the 1200 for sure and use y spliter,wouldnt touch svs !"

Any reasoning behind this statement? None to this point. Opinions are fine, in fact I think Velodyne makes a nice subwoofers as well, but it would be nice to quantify your postive or negative statements about product plugs or bashing.

Posting by Giuseppe in another thread:
"Well I was looking at these two subs and found that they are the same price at $899. What I am wondering is why the PB12-PLUS is $899 and has 1 driver, while the PB12-ISD/2 is $899 but has two drivers. Obviously the PB12-PLUS has a better driver, but can it compare to the performance of two woofers??? What would you guys get if you had to choose between these two?"

Basshead's response:
"None of them !"

See first posting's comments for my take on this one as well.

Posting by agarwalro:
"That is the same speaker set and similar room conditions as my setup. Are'nt the M60's awesome.

Also look at the PB-10 ISD by SVS. It has gotten great reviews and is $200 under your budget."

Basshead's response:
"An other unhappy customer,In time every one gets hit."

:confused: This response makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, no one in this thread stated they were unhappy with an SVS product, so I'm not sure where this was directed.

(Last one :)) Here's a posting by j_garcia in regards to a question about choosing between an Axiom EP350 and the Rocket ULW-10, suggestions between this two or what other alternative they (OP) might consider:

"The 350 actually seems to most often be said not to be a great value. 28Hz isn't very deep for a $650 sub. The ULW is $499, at which point, unless you are in Canada, the SVS PB-10 will probably give you more for your money."

Basshead's response:
"Why are you pushing SVS all the time?,When theres better in canada let alone all the money you will save? Sure they offer return but wait till you see how you get ripped off for 2 times shipping cost you loose shipping fees/gst your money buy back to bank with visa,This will almost cost you a double sub pb10 price."

There was no mention of the orginal poster of them being from Canada (nor does their profile show this), but even so, J goes so far as to specifically point out that "unless you are in Canada, the SVS PB-10 will probably give you more for your money."...:confused: :confused:


There seems to be nothing productive offered by Basshead's postings and an obvious distain for SVS for whatever reason. Regardless whether I like or dislike SVS, I find it obnoxious that over and over, the same type of behavior is repeated on a site in which shared knowledge (postive and negative) is its greatest asset. If there were a point to Basshead's postings, I could understand, but there doesn't seem to be. Understand that I'm not trying to lynch the guy, just get him to stop the unproductive and baseless bashing of SVS or any company's products, for that matter, without any type of justification. -TD
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Understood and accepted

tomd51 said:
3db;
Please understand I, as well as others (I hope), aren't trying to bash Basshead because of their input, but more so the way they go about it with no justification behind their negative comments and quite often, nothing constructive about their postings.

Here's some examples:

Posting by Giuseppe:
"I have heard a lot of you guys saying that SVS subs are by far the best subs for your $$$. But, I havn't heard many people arguing which are better, the cylinder or the box? Say id you were trying to make more of a movie and games system which style would be better?"

Basshead's response:
"Wouldnt touch any of them,I know better."

Any constructive feedback here :confused: ? None that I can find, nor is there any by Basshead later on in the same thread, just what you see.

Posting by ragged:
"What would you prefer? 2 Velodyne vrp-10000's or a single svs pb-10?":

Basshead's response:
"I would pick the velos but look for the 1200 for sure and use y spliter,wouldnt touch svs !"

Any reasoning behind this statement? None to this point. Opinions are fine, in fact I think Velodyne makes a nice subwoofers as well, but it would be nice to quantify your postive or negative statements about product plugs or bashing.

Posting by Giuseppe in another thread:
"Well I was looking at these two subs and found that they are the same price at $899. What I am wondering is why the PB12-PLUS is $899 and has 1 driver, while the PB12-ISD/2 is $899 but has two drivers. Obviously the PB12-PLUS has a better driver, but can it compare to the performance of two woofers??? What would you guys get if you had to choose between these two?"

Basshead's response:
"None of them !"

See first posting's comments for my take on this one as well.

Posting by agarwalro:
"That is the same speaker set and similar room conditions as my setup. Are'nt the M60's awesome.

Also look at the PB-10 ISD by SVS. It has gotten great reviews and is $200 under your budget."

Basshead's response:
"An other unhappy customer,In time every one gets hit."

:confused: This response makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, no one in this thread stated they were unhappy with an SVS product, so I'm not sure where this was directed.

(Last one :)) Here's a posting by j_garcia in regards to a question about choosing between an Axiom EP350 and the Rocket ULW-10, suggestions between this two or what other alternative they (OP) might consider:

"The 350 actually seems to most often be said not to be a great value. 28Hz isn't very deep for a $650 sub. The ULW is $499, at which point, unless you are in Canada, the SVS PB-10 will probably give you more for your money."

Basshead's response:
"Why are you pushing SVS all the time?,When theres better in canada let alone all the money you will save? Sure they offer return but wait till you see how you get ripped off for 2 times shipping cost you loose shipping fees/gst your money buy back to bank with visa,This will almost cost you a double sub pb10 price."

There was no mention of the orginal poster of them being from Canada (nor does their profile show this), but even so, J goes so far as to specifically point out that "unless you are in Canada, the SVS PB-10 will probably give you more for your money."...:confused: :confused:


There seems to be nothing productive offered by Basshead's postings and an obvious distain for SVS for whatever reason. Regardless whether I like or dislike SVS, I find it obnoxious that over and over, the same type of behavior is repeated on a site in which shared knowledge (postive and negative) is its greatest asset. If there were a point to Basshead's postings, I could understand, but there doesn't seem to be. Understand that I'm not trying to lynch the guy, just get him to stop the unproductive and baseless bashing of SVS or any company's products, for that matter, without any type of justification. -TD
You raised valuable points. I did check out that sight that he posted and seemed nice and flamey in nature without any concrete reasons. Just like you pointed out. I wasn't paying attention to the other threads he posted on this forum, just his last one. I can see now since you summed up all of his points, how -ve basshead is. Its too bad because he does raise a valuable point about the inordinate amount of work Canadians have to go thru let alone the costt of shipping, to return a product. Thru all that negativity, the real message gets lost.


Thanks for taking your time to explain it. Thought is appreciated. Cheers
 
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HookedOnSound

HookedOnSound

Full Audioholic
BassHead said:
Well many have great luck with svs and dont have to return ,but if you have to, you lost money,I read a few posts of people asking about the cost for canadians on buying subs so this is what you have to work out for the money you spend.
I think your beef is more with cross border shopping than with SVS. It's not SVS' fault, you'd have the same issues if you had to return any other sub back to the states.

Free Trade? yeah right!
 
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silversurfer

Senior Audioholic
BassHead said:
Dont be beleive every thing you hear ,Many people on forums work for companys to boost their product,Some have 10 user id's,This is really bad on the forum AVS forum which i think 75% support SVS,.....
Funny that you mentioned that issue. I just read this last week, read "update 2"
http://www.boingboing.net/2006/02/06/did_nvidia_hire_an_a.html

edit: I see the OP is somewhat questionable, but still, the above link is interesting.
 
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HookedOnSound

HookedOnSound

Full Audioholic
Sheep said:
Any word on which models? I would trade my DPS-12 for an Energy S12.3 ANY DAY.

SheepStar

I'll try, I think it's the Energy S10.3 (I could be wrong) he kept, he bought the velodyne at Futureshop and returned it so I don't think it was a DPS model.
 
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