Small Cannons

[mulester7]

....here's my elements, if I go ahead at this time....suspect I will....all options are open with the K2's....I suspect it could end up with the two voice-coils wired in series, and either hit the thing with one channel of an amp, or really hit it with a strapped amp....thinking voice, I promise....and, this element has three-way adjustable damping for the Q rating of the enclosure....which WmAx is now figuring internal volume and dimensions....boys, after that Grande purchase, I'm livin' on plastic anyway, and I got some room, haha....correct, it's an untreatable illness....WmAx has been priceless in this narrowing of the elements......

http://www.cardomain.com/item/INFPERFECT10DVQ?ref=bizrdf

.....edit....the thread is now bonafried, the Infinity 10's are on plastic and enroute.....

[Sheep]

Tis a mighty fine choice sir.

I like the Infinity subwoofers.

SheepStar

[mulester7]

.....don't want to let this one fall too far down, 'cause the eagle is moving via the US mail....the Infinity 10 inch elements are on the way....me and WmAx are very close to agreeing on the internal volume, and it's been fun mentoring him so far, haha....as if I'm doing any mentoring with the small cannons....I'm seeing the dual-voice coils as probably to be wired in series, and hitting them with a strapped K2....the voice I'm after stands to be sweeter from changing the ohmage factor of the speaker element from dual 4 ohm unwired, to dual 8 ohm as one wired in series, and a strapped K2 will give a pool of 1600 watts at 8 ohm bridged, to give the sweetness authority....I hope....interesting, strapping the amp doesn't change the ohmage of what the strapped amp sees in the bushes, strapping the amp simply changes the size of the bullets....the speaker elements coming, will probably be wired for 8 ohms of resistance to move toward the more sweetly efficient, and be hit with 4 ohm bullets to add and give authority....I will try all combinations including hitting one 4 ohm voice coil with 2500 strapped 2 ohm bullets....well, in a manner of speaking....the voice-coils paralleled would only allow one channel of the amp with the amp not strapped to be used, but the one channel would shoot two ohm bullets, and I would have a K2 for somewhere else, but, series wiring and strapping will most likely be my route....and, I digress....my first priority at this time, is thinking toward the Earthquake....working out details powering the small cannons will simply be an act of auditioning voices.....

[Sheep]

.....don't want to let this one fall too far down, 'cause the eagle is moving via the US mail....the Infinity 10 inch elements are on the way....me and WmAx are very close to agreeing on the internal volume, and it's been fun mentoring him so far, haha....as if I'm doing any mentoring with the small cannons....I'm seeing the dual-voice coils as probably to be wired in series, and hitting them with a strapped K2....the voice I'm after stands to be sweeter from changing the ohmage factor of the speaker element from dual 4 ohm unwired, to dual 8 ohm as one wired in series, and a strapped K2 will give a pool of 1600 watts at 8 ohm bridged, to give the sweetness authority....I hope....interesting, strapping the amp doesn't change the ohmage of what the strapped amp sees in the bushes, strapping the amp simply changes the size of the bullets....the speaker elements coming, will probably be wired for 8 ohms of resistance to move toward the more sweetly efficient, and be hit with 4 ohm bullets to add and give authority....I will try all combinations including hitting one 4 ohm voice coil with 2500 strapped 2 ohm bullets....well, in a manner of speaking....the voice-coils paralleled would only allow one channel of the amp with the amp not strapped to be used, but the one channel would shoot two ohm bullets, and I would have a K2 for somewhere else, but, series wiring and strapping will most likely be my route....and, I digress....my first priority at this time, is thinking toward the Earthquake....working out details powering the small cannons will simply be an act of auditioning voices.....

Mule,

Please, PLEASE, write a book! :)

SheepStar

[mulester7]

Mule, Please, PLEASE, write a book! :).....why?....I'm already in the funny papers......

[Buckeyefan 1]

Nice drivers Mule and Wmax. Those are some of the best for fidelity. I remember hearing a guys setup with dual Kappa 10's driven by a massive JL amp in his M5. He was playing Rush. It brought tears to my eyes. Neil Peart is my favorite, and no one can hit the kick drum like Neil can. Those amazing subs did the man justice. :cool:

[mulester7]

Nice drivers Mule and Wmax. Those are some of the best for fidelity. I remember hearing a guys setup with dual Kappa 10's driven by a massive JL amp in his M5. He was playing Rush. It brought tears to my eyes. Neil Peart is my favorite, and no one can hit the kick drum like Neil can. Those amazing subs did the man justice. :cool:.....thanks, Buck, and I'm hopeful....I likta' never talked Chris away from Soundstream.....

.....(chortle)......

[bigbassdave]

I have a couple kappa 12 inch subs in my truck. They are very nice. Good luck with that mule let us know how it goes :)

[mulester7]

I have a couple kappa 12 inch subs in my truck. They are very nice. Good luck with that mule let us know how it goes :).....thanks, Dave, and sure will....the Soundstream element was rated good up to 1400 cycles of voice....the Infinity elements, on the way, are rated up to 400 cycles of voice....I need about 250 tops.....the Soundstreams would be smooth at 250, but the Infinity elements at 250 would be just starting to shout, and these are cannons....voice coils wired series for more definitive voice....1600 rms pool shooting 4 ohm bullets when the amp is no-doubt stable at 2....but....no idea until I hear all options....

[mulester7]

.....guys, with "which 4X8 sheet of what" from Home Depot, do I want to build these small cannons?....I want something a "true" full inch thick....opinions, PLEASE.....

[mulester7]

.....the cabinet will have a single faceplate, double walls, and triple bottom....the actual internal will be equal, like 12x12x12, or 12.5x12.5x12.5, the latter of which I believe it's going to be for the attempt....these are small cuts of wood to work with, somebody try this with me.....

[Buckeyefan 1]

.....guys, with "which 4X8 sheet of what" from Home Depot, do I want to build these small cannons?....I want something a "true" full inch thick....opinions, PLEASE.....

3/4" is more than enough. Many pre-built auto boxes use 5/8" with plenty of success. Use high density MDF. I just put down 3/4" particle board for a floor in my attic (needed more storage space). Let me tell you, a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" MDF is heavier than you think.

If you seal it up right, it should take an M80 to blow a seam - even with using only 5/8" high density MDF.

[Sheep]

3/4" is more than enough. Many pre-built auto boxes use 5/8" with plenty of success. Use high density MDF. I just put down 3/4" particle board for a floor in my attic (needed more storage space). Let me tell you, a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" MDF is heavier than you think.

If you seal it up right, it should take an M80 to blow a seam - even with using only 5/8" high density MDF.

Buck, stop saying High density medium density fiberboard!

Its HDF, Not HDMDF! :rolleyes:

Sorry, its just irritating, you know I <3 you buck :)

SheepStar

[mulester7]

Let me tell you, a 4x8 sheet of 3/4" MDF is heavier than you think.....Buck, would Home Depot have this MDF in a thickness of a true full inch?....I'm only going to have to buy one 4x8 sheet....and won't use near all of it....we're talking cannons witn NO give if possible at the bottom especially, and cheap hillbilly awdeeoofile overkill will be embraced, along with a chicken leg.....

[mulester7]

.....Sheep, is it still snowing up in your region of the rich and fertile?.....

[Sheep]

.....Sheep, is it still snowing up in your region of the rich and fertile?.....

Nope, Buts its still freezing.

You can see a pic of my house when it dumped in this thread.

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16485

SheepStar

[mulester7]

.....good grief, had to go to the third page to find this thread, have there been a bunch of threads started the last couple of days or what?....

.....am waiting for something to show up.....the wire and woofers could show tomorrow....will probably report my system from this thread from here on....upon approval of the Earthquake 5, it may get cloned when conditions allow....would have 8 channels of Earthquake for 7.1 main's regiment speakers with high and low centers variable, and two extra Earthquake channels for full-range stereo speakers in a zone 2 no sub....or....the two extra Earthquake channels pushing a Super Bose Set-Up, in said zone 2....four Bose 901's, two Bose 901 "only" EQ's, correct placement of the speakers, paralleling two on each channel, and what you get is real good with imaging covering a whole wall....901's with two 901 eq's are a different speaker....the highs and lows then balance that dominating mid....a 901's system would be for nostalgia's sake only....a better system, by far, of 2-way speakers, now occupies my Home Theater....I'm gonna' go all out on the HT here, and try to take some pictures....this is my last system, and I have few bills....your day will come, young man....bicycles and birthday parties are your present path, and it's the best one as I look back.......

[Sheep]

.....good grief, had to go to the third page to find this thread, have there been a bunch of threads started the last couple of days or what?....

.....am waiting for something to show up.....the wire and woofers could show tomorrow....will probably report my system from this thread from here on....upon approval of the Earthquake 5, it may get cloned when conditions allow....would have 8 channels of Earthquake for 7.1 main's regiment speakers with high and low centers variable, and two extra Earthquake channels for full-range stereo speakers in a zone 2 no sub....or....the two extra Earthquake channels pushing a Super Bose Set-Up, in said zone 2....four Bose 901's, two Bose 901 "only" EQ's, correct placement of the speakers, paralleling two on each channel, and what you get is real good with imaging covering a whole wall....901's with two 901 eq's are a different speaker....the highs and lows then balance that dominating mid....a 901's system would be for nostalgia's sake only....a better system, by far, of 2-way speakers, now occupies my Home Theater....I'm gonna' go all out on the HT here, and try to take some pictures....this is my last system, and I have few bills....your day will come, young man....bicycles and birthday parties are your present path, and it's the best one as I look back.......

Once I finish my Energy system, I don't think I will go anymore without spending buttloads.

My dream system is M&K THX. With 150's all round. Maybe 350's for subs, but DD's would be nice too.

SheepStar

[mulester7]

.....the Infinity 10 inch elements and the SoundKing 8 ga. wire showed today....haven't even opened the boxes yet....there's much cleaning up to do concerning the HT in the dungeon....Earthquake 5 on the way also....where am I gonna' put all this crap?.....

[mulester7]

My dream system is M&K THX. With 150's all round. Maybe 350's for subs, but DD's would be nice too.

SheepStar.....sounds mighty good, SheepStar....everything starts with a plan.....

[Tomorrow]

.....sounds mighty good, SheepStar....everything starts with a plan.....

Perhaps you explained this before I came on board, Mulie. But inquiring minds want to know.....what happened to the first 6 Mulesters? :)

[mulester7]

Perhaps you explained this before I came on board, Mulie. But inquiring minds want to know.....what happened to the first 6 Mulesters? :).....I've been mulester7@hotmail since I started pecking on keyboards in the middle of 2000, RJBudz....seven is a cool number to me, and signifies completion in The Bible....then there was that movie, The Magnificent Seven, there's seven days in a week, seven active brain cells in my head, so on and so forth, you know, RJ.....

[mulester7]

.....Guys, easily acquired damping for my theater was gained this day, let us rejoice....I was driving down the road in the Pinto minding my own, when a picture of Elvis was getting bigger and bigger as I approached an intersection....a guy was selling Elvis rectangular rugs for 40 bucks that measure 5' 4" by 7' 8", across the intersection on the parking lot of a drug store, and his van pulled a trailer that had framework to fully hang about 10 of the almost 8 foor long rugs, you know, you've seen 'em....I turned in and got out....the print of the picture on the rugs looked real good up close, and magnificent from about 6-8 feet away....I bought 4 of them with a sucessful low-ball pitch, haha, and the hatchback of the Pinto rode unhitched on the ride home blocked by a paint can to not mash the Elvis rugs sticking out....esteemed colleagues, just picture my theater with HUGE pictures of Elvis Presley on the walls with that head laid back singin'....I dare ya'....now you'll all be jealous, I can see it now.....

[surveyor]

.....Guys, easily acquired damping for my theater was gained this day, let us rejoice....I was driving down the road in the Pinto minding my own, when a picture of Elvis was getting bigger and bigger as I approached an intersection....a guy was selling Elvis rectangular rugs for 40 bucks that measure 5' 4" by 7' 8", across the intersection on the parking lot of a drug store, and his van pulled a trailer that had framework to fully hang about 10 of the almost 8 foor long rugs, you know, you've seen 'em....I turned in and got out....the print of the picture on the rugs looked real good up close, and magnificent from about 6-8 feet away....I bought 4 of them with a sucessful low-ball pitch, haha, and the hatchback of the Pinto rode unhitched on the ride home blocked by a paint can to not mash the Elvis rugs sticking out....esteemed colleagues, just picture my theater with HUGE pictures of Elvis Presley on the walls with that head laid back singin'....I dare ya'....now you'll all be jealous, I can see it now.....
Please post pictures?
We wan't to see your new amp. also?
We need pictures to verify from fact or fiction!

[Sheep]

I agree.

You need to get this digital camera thing down and start using it! :)

Mule, check out my up and coming "small canon" ;)

And this is the Amp that is uses.

http://www.partexpress.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?&DID=7&Partnumber=300-804

The only difference in the amp is mine has an Audio Video switch. The video setting boosts the 30Hz signal by 6dB. It also has an attached power cord. Other then that, they are the exact same.

This is the subwoofer before the driver blew.

http://www.pro-linear.com/basscube.htm

The box is an 11 3/4 inch Cube, and its sealed.

SheepStar

[mulester7]

Mule, check out my up and coming "small canon" ;)

And this is the Amp that is uses.

SheepStar.....Sheep, which speaker element is going back in the box?....that amp section looks very good, and it looks like you and me both are going to be up to our butts in small cannons.....

[Sheep]

.....Sheep, which speaker element is going back in the box?....that amp section looks very good, and it looks like you and me both are going to be up to our butts in small cannons.....

Don't know about driver yet. I have been talking with WaMx and he gave me tips on choosing a driver for such a small enclosure (.5 cubic feet internal volume)

SheepStar

[mulester7]

We need pictures to verify from fact or fiction!......well, Surveyor, I guess you done caught me....I really got two boomboxes like Mtry, and a turbo clock-radio with 4000 watt mono amp....just kidding, I will get some pictures asap, but don't know how high up the ladder I want to go with a digital camera.....not sure what they will do yet....am going to make some calls today.....Earthquake 5 channel amp could show today......

[mulester7]

Don't know about driver yet. I have been talking with WaMx and he gave me tips on choosing a driver for such a small enclosure (.5 cubic feet internal volume)

SheepStar.....Sheep, if WmAx doesn't know his stuff, he's sure got me fooled....mighty good man.......

[mulester7]

.....about the rugs for the walls.....let me say first I'm confused....the ones I bought are 53 inches wide, like it says in the link site, and will catch 16 inch centers on wall studs to break perfect on 16 inch center studs behind your sheetrock or paneling....well not perfect, 54 would be perfect, but you can still catch the stud on the inside part both left and right, know what I mean?.....here's the confusing part....all four of mine are a full 88 5/8 long, and the site gives the same model numbers, but says 77 inches long....I think there's a mistake in that 77....mine are almost 89....I'm going to call them tomorrow, and ask for sure....anyhow, here are the four I got, and I got two of the tiger....I'm going to get another Egyptian also, and the two egyptians will be the back wall of my home theater...the elephant one, will be hung as high as possible behind my seven foot fish tank, and should look great....the rugs, in person, viewed from the same scale distance as these pictures, looks mighty close....I love them, they have set my theater free for GREAT damping sections and neat walls....sure, you wouldn't want to do this in your formal dining room, or living room, but you sure could in a dedicated theater in a spare bedroom....these look great, did I already say that?....here's links to the three different types I got, and then the site home page, which gives options to different styles of image....be careful, some have different sizes....keep in mind....my four rugs are 7 feet, 4 and 5/8 inches, by 5 feet, 3 inches.....I believe the site is wrong at 77 tall when the given width is 53....anyhow, mine are "over" 7 FEET, by "over" 5 FEET....picture that on a theater wall....

http://www.dormrugs.com/asccustompages/products.asp?LargePic=ALL&productID=360

.....this second one I got is 88 5/8 "wide" and 63 "tall"....

http://www.dormrugs.com/asccustompages/products.asp?LargePic=ALL&productID=261

.....this third one is back tall again....over seven feet....

http://www.dormrugs.com/asccustompages/products.asp?LargePic=ALL&productID=139

.....and the site....

http://www.dormrugs.com/asccustompages/categories.asp

.....guys, these rugs are from the Rama Collection by Merinero's located in Turkey, woven on mechanized looms actually in Turkey, think rugs, using cheap labor, sure, but they are quality, with a staunchly woven bordering....one last time, I honestly love them.....

[mulester7]

.....revisement.....the rugs "are", 63 inches by 89 inches....didn't have my reading glasses on, but that little foot sign was easy to miss at the site on the 7' 7", and, the 5' 3", but I reported what I measured with the Stanley tape....one last time....my four are 63 inches, by 89 inches, the same that's reported at the site, and I already said last time, but I really love them for what's coming up in my dungeon.....

[mulester7]

.....and, I'm still confused, because 7'7" is 91 inches, but my four rugs lying flat on the floor measure 89....I guess they stretch a little down....that would sure fill it up from ceiling molding to baseboard with 8 foot ceilings, wouldn't it?....these have quality....on the back you see the 63 inch tiny strips of what appears to be wood the thick thread of the rug is woven around....that gives a strong skeletal framework you can see from the back....the edge all around is strikingly stitched with a border-roll WELL secured....I am most pleased and I suspect I will start soon in the dungeon with the walls....waiting on the amp....thinking about early pop on a camera....no need to build boxes for the small cannons until further along....gone for the day....a friend told me I needed to get a job, haha....told him I had one, a goooood one......

[majorloser]

Mule, I also used a rug on the back wall between the in-walls. Worked out good. Hanging was the only PITA. Used a 2x2 with finishing nails through the rug into the 2x2.

[surveyor]

......well, Surveyor, I guess you done caught me....I really got two boomboxes like Mtry, and a turbo clock-radio with 4000 watt mono amp....just kidding, I will get some pictures asap, but don't know how high up the ladder I want to go with a digital camera.....not sure what they will do yet....am going to make some calls today.....Earthquake 5 channel amp could show today......
Congradulations on the amp Mule, I'm jealous!
My wife is a big elvis fan, so she'll enjoy seing those rugs.
Don't spend on a camera on my acount though!!

[mulester7]

Mule, I also used a rug on the back wall between the in-walls. Worked out good. Hanging was the only PITA. Used a 2x2 with finishing nails through the rug into the 2x2......Major, I dread the task....these rugs are fairly heavy, and will probably require hitting the wall studs with finishing nails....then again, with paneling, you don't want to NOT hit the stud, know what I mean?....I will check if colors are offered on the inch long finishing nails....I can't wait to get these four rugs up on the walls....I already have dark-brown-stained four-foot 2x2's four feet high from the baseboards on every stud of the paneling around the horseshoe of the TV end and short-sides of my room, for the mini-barns to be solid and not buzz the paneling....all I have to do now is run an unstained 2x2 top nailer around the top of the horseshoe end of the room, pushed up against the small crown molding up high, then take unstained 2x2 nailer pieces from the top of the ones I already got on up to the top plate I've just nailed around the horseshoe end up high....I will cover between the upright rugs with short black carpet a solid 8 feet tall, using those same nailer pieces sometimes bridging over one or two, with the end of the black carpet hanging loose a couple inches past the upright nailer where carpet and rug meet....the rug will come to the nailer you just overlapped short with the black carpet, see that in your head?....in short, I'm going to let the black carpet fill in between the upright rugs, and the rug hung flush on the nailers they reach, with the black carpet filler overlapping the nailer the rug will reach, and the overlap of the back carpet is hidden, whew.......it's all 16 inch centers, guys, 24 will work ok, but you're more prone to have to have a nailer not secured to a wall-stud, but secured to the wall material........now picture mule hanging a 2x2 between studs on sheetrock with a big hammer........I say again, you guys pushing room conditions were right all along, Nick....amazing effect on imaging across the front soundstage....that slave amp come in yet, Nick, haha.......

[mulester7]

Congradulations on the amp Mule, I'm jealous!
My wife is a big elvis fan, so she'll enjoy seing those rugs.
Don't spend on a camera on my acount though!!.....Surveyor, I been wanting a new camera anyway, as my Canon EOS film-system is 20 years old....it still works like a champ, but I wanted a new camera whether it was film or digital for new technology, and I really wanted a digital so I could post pictures like you guys do....soooo, "TODAY", I, "ORDERED", a digital camera body, aaaand, one, autofocus fixed-focal-length lens, not a zoom, no zooms this time, or teleconverters, "YAY"!!....correct, """PLASTIC""", haha....I'm excited....for the lens, I will buy a 52 mm skylight protective filter, 52 mm circular polarizer, and 52 mm lens-hood from a local guy who helped me decide to go ahead and get the camera body and lens I was already considering, even though I have all of those 52 mm sized accessories in a camera case that holds my first real camera with meter....and, those accessories are about 25 years old, I want new stuff, and filters and rubber hoods are cheap....guys, listen, a rubber hood on your SLR lens looks magnificent and costs about four bucks....tell the guy at the shop what your lens is though, as most require various degreed rubber hoods....rubber pop-out hoods cover side lights that could impair your exposure and picture, but what they mainly do is look cool........anyhow, I ordered online for the body and lens, but I will get those accessories from the local guy, even though I could have gotten the accessories with the online package cheaper....I appreciate the local guy, and will visit him some in his shop....he was amazing to talk to....he had done some film exposures at night off a tripod in the past, and stepped right into doing the same with digital some....just the person I needed to talk to....the digital body I've ordered I was probably going to order anyway from reading, an S model, but he gave endorsement and approval to the camera body for my applications desired.....the S model, has special filtering against digital noise coming with long exposures in low light, (that's huge for night tripod shooting), and the S model meters a full 30 seconds at one end of manual or automatic for overkill deep in image quality, also huge for night tripod shooting....I'm tickled and there ain't a feather in sight, boys....don't figure I'll see it until after the 25th....I may be slingin' pictures at this here site right and left, who knows?....I'll try to shoot the capital building here in Little Rock before they turn off the Christmas lights Jan 1....will check tomorrow for local grocery store deals on generic crackers.....

[surveyor]

.....Surveyor, I been wanting a new camera anyway, as my Canon EOS film-system is 20 years old....it still works like a champ, but I wanted a new camera whether it was film or digital for new technology, and I really wanted a digital so I could post pictures like you guys do....soooo, I "ORDERED" a digital camera body, aaaand, one autofocus fixed-focal-length lens, not a zoom, no zooms this time, or teleconverters, ""TODAY"", "YAY"!!....correct, """PLASTIC""", haha....I'm excited....for the lens, I will buy a 52 mm skylight protective filter, 52 mm circular polarizer, and 52 mm lens-hood from a local guy who helped me decide to go ahead and get the camera body and lens I was already considering, even though I have all of those 52 mm sized accessories in a camera case that holds my first real camera with meter....and, those accessories are about 25 years old, I want new stuff, and filters and rubber hoods are cheap....guys, listen, a rubber hood on your SLR lens looks magnificent and costs about four bucks....tell the guy at the shop what your lens is though, as most require various degreed rubber hoods....rubber pop-out hoods cover side lights that could impair your exposure and picture, but what they mainly do is look cool........anyhow, I ordered online for the body and lens, but I will get those accessories from the local guy, even though I could have gotten the accessories with the online package cheaper....I appreciate the local guy, and will visit him some in his shop....he was amazing to talk to....he had done some film exposures at night off a tripod in the past, and stepped right into doing the same with digital some....just the person I needed to talk to....the digital body I've ordered I was probably going to order anyway from reading, an S model, but he gave endorsement and approval to the camera body for my applications desired.....the S model, has special filtering against digital noise coming with long exposures in low light, (that's huge for night tripod shooting), and the S model meters a full 30 seconds at one end of manual or automatic for overkill deep in image quality, also huge for night tripod shooting....I'm tickled and there ain't a feather in sight, boys....don't figure I'll see it until after the 25th....I may be slingin' pictures at this here site right and left, who knows?....I'll try to shoot the capital building here in Little Rock before they turn off the Christmas lights Jan 1....will check tomorrow for local grocery store deals on generic crackers.....

.....Earthquake amp could show today....will try to catch the UPS or Fedex guy and have him 2-wheel it around back and in the backdoor....it's downhill, he shouldn't mind, but he better be fairly stout to wheel 141 pounds downhill, haha.....

.....edit....it'll be about a month before the computer station, small cannon cabinets, and Behringer units, to say the least.....then it'll be 5 more speakers, a Circle Surround Decoder, and possibly another Earthquake on the audio side....then I start video, with a 16x9 $2100 Toshiba projector that upconverts 1080 with a Carl Zeiss Specifications Glass Lens, a 16x9 96 inch diagonal screen, and new DVD player....whew, then I'm done......
Phew Mule, you wore me out just reading this!

[mulester7]

Phew Mule, you wore me out just reading this!.....agreed, Surveyor, and thanks, let's break it up.....

.....Earthquake amp could show today....will try to catch the UPS or Fedex guy and have him 2-wheel it around back and in the backdoor....it's downhill, he shouldn't mind, but he better be fairly stout to wheel 141 pounds downhill, haha.....

.....edit....it'll be about a month before the computer station, small cannon cabinets, and Behringer units, to say the least.....then it'll be 5 more speakers, a Circle Surround Decoder, and possibly another Earthquake, on the audio side....then I start video, with a 16x9 $2100 Toshiba projector that upconverts 1080 with a Carl Zeiss Specifications Glass Lens, a 16x9 96 inch diagonal screen, and new DVD player....whew, then I'm done.....well, for a week or two, haha....no, I'll be there with my system and theater.....

.....the camera body of course is brand-new, they sell tons out of New York, think inventory turnover, and is a Nikon D-70S 6.1 Megapixel Interchangeable Lens Digital SLR Body....the lens is of course brand-new also from the same place, and is a Nikon D-Series AutoFocus 50 mm F-1.4 "normal"....the normal lens will have a maximum close-down aperture of F-16....the readout window on the body is a full 2 inches diagonal, I guess it's diagonal, anyhow the window size is rated 2.0, instead of 1.8....I got the card for a gig of memory cheap, and an extra rechargeable battery was 20 bucks down from 49 regular....I turned down the initial pitch for extended warranty and he came back later and dropped it to 60 bucks for 3 "extra" years on top of the one from the factory, four years total, and we're talking a digital camera that's an amazing computer, but it's a computer, and computers break, don't they?....20 bucks a year for three extra weren't bad, and I tooked it....I will be trying to figure out, how the exposure is being directed by the digital meter, without an ASA rating or lumen count rating sent to the camera's brain from film, "read from film", for the digital meter to arrive at an automatic exposure, day or night, because there HAIN'T no film....I suspect it may end up being a matter of pushing the exposure speed in increments, and hooray, it's digital through a small TV screen on the back of the body for instant proofing.....the body also has a pop-up flash that will cover an 18 mm lens....stout, but a rechargeable battery drainer....hey, that's right, I got an extra, haha....shoot, we'll figure this out together, guys......

[majorloser]

Phew Mule, you wore me out just reading this!

Is there Cliff Notes or an executive summary available for Mules posts? :rolleyes:

[mulester7]

Is there Cliff Notes or an executive summary available for Mules posts? :rolleyes:.....Walgreens, $1.95....sorry, Major, I just try to be descriptive, in case someone in radioland wants to try something along with me....

[mulester7]

.....I talked to a guy at Earthquake today....he was not a lab technician in the home audio side, but was a lab technician in the auto audio side....anyhow, he took my question and called me back....after checking with a lab person on Earthquake home amps, he told me the damping factor of either the Earthquake 5 or the Earthquake 3, were it included in general specs and arrived at by industry standards, would be over 1000....my tail immediately began to wag....he asked me what I was using for a pre-amp and I told him a McIntosh C-26....he said that was VERY good, and I should enjoy the Earthquake 5 coming to a large degree....he asked me what I was using for amps presently....I said Crown K2's....he said they are very good amps for presence and cleanness, but also said they have a tendency to have a slight raspiness at the very top of the frequency response when used full-range....I have noticed this amplifying cable TV, but CD's and DVD's are pretty much "right on" in my view....he said I would love the Earthquake for full-range, and moving the K2's to the low-end would delight me....am taking this thing day by day, and the Earthquake hasn't shown as of yet....amp shootout comin'....like I ain't got enough goin' on......

[majorloser]

.....Walgreens, $1.95....sorry, Major, I just try to be descriptive, in case someone in radioland wants to try something along with me....

I'm a product of the Florida school system. You have to go slow with me and use small words.

[mulester7]

......Earthquake no'um show'um today'um.....signed, old Indian....

.....also killed the Nikon digital camera deal....I was getting raked over the coals with the price....I called my credit card company and put a stop on the deal.....regrouping on the camera purchase....like somebody here cares....oh well....I see no way around working this weekend....will probably lay low for awhile.......

[mulester7]

.....since killing the Nikon deal, I have been PM'ing with WmAx over the digital camera situation....guys, WmAx evidently has exceptional knowledge in areas other than audio....I'm sure he won't mind, I am going to copy-and-paste a PM from him, as it could possibly help someone here also looking for a certain digital camera....




Oh.. well... then what cameras are you currently considering? Another D70? I don't have any specific information on your requirements, but I'll throw out some unsolicite general information on current products.

If the lowest absolute noise is not a concern, then perhaps consider the new 4/3 DSLR system by Olympus. The advantage is smaller physical size premium quality glass with equivalent focal lengths of standard 35mm format or APS sized sensor DSLRs such as the D50. Here is the most recent unit, the Olympus E500:

http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/EV500/EV500A.HTM

Of course, for all I know, you have pre-exisint extensive Nikon F mount lens collection that you want to continue to use, thus the reason for the Nikon body you purchased initially. Then of course, the only feasible options for you are Nikon, Kodak(no longer manufactured, but still availble used) and Fuji models that accept the lens mounting format of Nikon. The Fuji S3 body is a little pricey, and is not optimal for fast action photography, but it is the best option for lowest noise at high ISO in the APS sensor size DSLR bodies. The most unique function this camera has is if you will use the RAW image format in conjunction with Adobe PHotoshop. The camera has sets of sensors that work simultaneously. Each one is exposed at 2 stops differerence from the other. The result is that when digitally developing the images with Adobe Photoshop, you can precisely mix/combine/exclude these sensor sets so that you almost never have a blow out, even in extreme high constrast sunny conditions. It has the widest dynamic range of any curent DSLR body as a result.

Again... just some random info....

-Chris

[mulester7]

....."HOUSTON, DO YOU READ?, HOUSTON, DO YOU READ?"...."THIS IS MULESTER7 OF THE CONSTELLATION ARKINSAW, CONFIRMING, TOUCH-DOWN, OF AN EARTHQUAKE NUCLEAR WARHEAD, ON THE SURFACE/FLOOR OF PLANET DUNGEON, 47* WEST, BY 267* EAST".....the thick hardwood crate has thick rope handle-loops on both ends, and metal banding I'll have to break, to get to the top of the box, did I mention the banded box is made out of thick hardwood?....I took holt of the rope handles and dead-lifted it standing straight up....after slowly lowering it back down to rest barely touching the carpet, I may never be the same again physically....good grief....yes, my Son-in-law will come help me set it on the cabinet if the time comes....all four K2's were growlin' when the thick hardwood banded box got rolled in the backdoor by two UPS guys who were pan-faced by that point, haha....truth....amp shootout comin', best go on a picnic with the family up in the hills......

.....I ain't even gonna' break it out of the box at this time....I'm going to try to get some cheap 2x4 studs in the morning, and rip them longways for 2x2 nailer for the rugs....I'll work for sure tomorrow night or early Saturday morning....for sure....and, I'm glad young guys on the regular turns, and the extra-board of the West End, will layoff to be with their young families on Christmas Eve and Christmas Day....ya'll think about ole' mule on Christmas Eve and Day, ridin' on that freight train to Fort Smith/Van Buren....Kris Kringle, I've got a horn button on my side of the cab, I just may blow at ya'......

[mulester7]

.....the K2's were strangely low-growling all morning, when about noon there came a GROWL from that hardwood crate on the floor that was looooooow, and had a couple of pops on the end of it like a 800 pound male lion growling does....yeah, you've heard it....anyhow, the K2's the rest of the day, have been huddled and quiet....amp shootout comin', ya' best reinforce the outhouse.....Merry Christmas, Guys.......

[mulester7]

.....got back early on a loaded coal train....amp shootout report could be tonight....I've got the top off the Earthquake wood case, the sides bent down, and the back completely off to get to the posts of the amp and inputs....used a big framing hammer, truth....the amp is now sitting on a flat floor of wood with the sides down and the back gone, and is slid back to the back of the wood floor, so the rca's from the pre-amp will reach....after thanking the six professional wrestlers living next-door for helping me slide it back two inches, I just stood and stared at the thing and thought....I am now going to give the K2's every chance to push my four main's regiment speakers on selected material I have listened to a bazillion times that thrill me....and, I will be listening for certain things from the floor-standing fronts by themselves, as well as certain things from the rear bookshelves by themselves....ok, you advocaters of blindfolds, listen up....I have always, when listening critically, had my eyes shut, my head leaned back a little, and my hands cupping my ears....and, stand or sit, motionless....ya' happy?....huh?......

.....I fully expect the Earthquake to send the K2's to the basement of the system....but, I will give a channel of Earthquake a shot at shooting 2 ohm bullets at my mini-barns paralled at the posts just to see what I get....I believe that would be the best chance for Earthquake to kick the subs since you can't strap two channels of the Earthquake, and that's where I'm thinking the K2's will kick the Earthquake's butt, with one K2 strapped to each mini-barn and possible small cannons....possible?....I know nothing until I hear the Earthqake....I will also give both mini-barns single channel power and see what I get....if it's any good with two channels of Earthquake pushing two mini-barns with no paralleling, I will put them with the fronts, and then the rears....with the main's regiment, I'm not going to think in terms of AB'ing the amps by one amp on the fronts, and a different one on the rears, I want to hear all four speakers with k2's, and all four speakers with four channels of Earthquake, and I'm pretty sure I will know....it's all about realism through transparency, and clean....and, a forty pound transformer will surely, not be restricted, in ANY way, of delivering current to five draws, all the way up to your head exploding, haha....amp shootout report coming later, too late to hide the horses, set 'em free and they'll be back to eat.....

.....not sure how long I'll listen to the K2's to set the stage here, but I'm tempted to just hook the Earthquake up to the four speakers, swing the inputs, and see what I just got....speaking of eating, I'm gone for cheap Chinese and I'll be back in about an hour....no proof, and probably could have organized this long mess better, but I'm hungry....

[mulester7]

.....Gentlemen, now I'm full and fadin' fast....will hook it up tomorrow....the reason I got back early, is because we left early, and I didn't get all the sleep I usually get at the motel over the river in Fort Smith.....tomorrow, I promise....(like somebody gives a crap).....

[mulester7]

.....well, I've been listening to the Earthquake amp for about an hour now pushing my four main's regiment speakers using four channels of the Earthquake....I've had it at the levels of soft, moderate, loud, and !!LO!UD!!....I'm noticing violins sticking out more in a good way on internal runs, and trumpets sticking out more on staccato passages with the staccatoness of the trumpets being more impressive than using the K2....I notice more of what I call, realism, about the total package from the speakers....the low end is much better as per being more full, but clean and defined in the oscillations at the same time....the low end uses more watts....more watts mean more current....the transformer being just big enough to get the situation by, like in most receivers, will limit or be stressed delivering the flow of current at some point of turning the music up....this Earthquake amp has a 40 pound transformer.....I've cranked it pretty hard for about an hour, and it's top is barely warm....I've noticed a change in the realism, especially in the highs, with no trace of raspiness or anything offensive whatsoever at loud levels, using about 6 different CD and DVD sources so far....but....it's going to take some getting used to, or the K2's thrill me better, I'm not sure....I'm going to listen to the Earthquake for a couple of days, and then go back to the K2's and see what my ears tell me....I honestly think at this point, there's a brilliance to the low-mids-up with a K2 that I'm missing, I don't know....may end up adding a little brilliance to the Earthquake with the rear presence speakers in series being kicked by a K2, not sure....the Earthquake really is amazingly clean and bright and realistic of sound reproduction at any level....I'm quite glad to have it for 5 channels somewhere....and that's all I can say at this point of the ampshootout....TDeluce, you have any comment about your 3 channel?....does it ever get hot?....

[mulester7]

.....system completely tore down....had to....had to get the old piano out of the room, and am assured now of the soundstage end being open....old pre-amp going to the shop tomorrow for a going-through it hasn't had for probably 40 years....will check if cheap mods are available on the pre-amp....hooray....now listening to 36 inch tv speakers with choice of only cable TV....gag....oh well, time to get this theater going....have decided on a different camera thanks to WmAx....cheap one to get me by until I can get a better one....it's time for a camera, but even with a cheaper one, it will take a bit to have the cash....will hang 5 of the 63x91 inch rugs in the theater....have old black grills to be used for damping on the sheetrock ceiling up front....after the first of the year, when I can count on not working real often, I'm gonna' get some 2x4's and rip them long for nailer, and here we go....we could do the carpet after the walls......

[MacManNM]

Like sands through the hourglass, so go the amps in our lives!

[majorloser]

Been seriously thinking about replacing my B&K Ref 7270.

You're giving me expensive thought, Mule!

[mulester7]

.....Major and Mac, I now see from the Earthquake why I liked the BXXX 1801 amp so much for the low end the 901's were reflecting off the walls....and, now from the Earthquake, the low end my current main's regiment is putting right in my face....instantly delivered watts from a weighty LARGE transformer, for the main drain, the low end, with the big cones of the woofers to move....Mac said it best a couple of months ago...."if you can find a used BXXX 1801 amp, I'll buy it decently priced".....

[Tomorrow]

.....if you can find a used BXXX 1801 amp, I'll buy it decently priced".....

You can run, Mulie, but you can't hide. BXXX indeed. ;)

[mulester7]

You can run, Mulie, but you can't hide. BXXX indeed. ;).....RJ, the 901 Super Bose System with Bose 1801 Amp sounded great, I still proudly assign it capital letters, but it didn't have surrounds, ya' know?, RJ?....end of story, and era.....

[mulester7]

.....I couldn't stand it no longer....I hooked back up the Earthquake to the four speakers and got the Mac pre back involved....have had CD and DVD and good TV sound since about six this morning.....oh yeah, the mistique of hearing the Earthquake for the first time wasn't there this time....and, oh yeah, there will be another one, asap....the realism and low end are staggering....that spec of 110 signal-noise at 10k seems correct....no raspies at any level....the low end is instant and intense, but clean....magnificent amplifier....K2's to the basement, but the small cannons may get hit with two channels of Earthquake.....

.....oh yeah, for some of you guys who wonder if I'm just making all this up, and want me to post photo snaps of my theater and room.....sorry, but I'm probably going to put off the camera at this time....the one I want would take the place of too much home theater.....you'll have to trust me, haha.....

[mulester7]

....guys, you should be here and hear one channel of Earthquake kick both mini-barns paralleled on the one channel for a two ohm load and two ohm bullets.....absolutely knocking the bottom out really smoothly....may not have quite the punch of a K2 strapped though....the mini-barns really sound good....it may come to about 12 channels of Earthquake and a K2 sale....I am very impressed with this amp's performance top to bottom including a 2 ohm load....the thing is just idleing and never gets hot....barely warm is all it ever gets.....

[Buckeyefan 1]

Mule,

Are you telling me you couldn't find a larger 5 channel amp? Congrats on your purchase.

From HT Magazine:
"the Grande's left amplifier channel, with two channels driving 8-ohm loads, began clipping at 0.0037% distortion and 245.3 watts. The amp reaches 0.1% distortion at 294.4 watts and 1% distortion at 328.9 watts, as shown above. Into 4 ohms, the amp began clipping at 0.0082% distortion and 478.6 watts and reaches 0.1% distortion at 604.4 watts and 1% distortion at 661.1 watts. The amplifier's frequency response was +0.06 /-0.19 decibels from 20 Hz to 20 kHz. The response rose to +0.1 dB at 10 Hz and to -0.78 dB at 50 kHz. THD+N from the amplifier was less than 0.013% at 1 kHz, with 2.8 volts output.—CW"

[mulester7]

Mule,

Are you telling me you couldn't find a larger 5 channel amp? Congrats on your purchase.....thanks, Buck, this thing is the best amp I've ever messed with....it doesn't matter what it's pushing, you can go as loud as you wish with no loss of sound quality....

[mulester7]

.....report....the Earthquake is so radically clean up high, it seems too bright for what you're used to....my Mac pre-amp has a high cut that is probably around 10K....I pushed the cut in, sparked the treble one click from flat, and I wish you could have been here with me to watch the pod race....good grief, the mini-barns were magnificent, but not to short the mains....the width of the mains and the imaging between and outside of them is staggering....I'm still pushing the mains and the subs with four channels of the Earthquake, and I really see no need to AB the subs with a K2, but I will....what I'm getting from the Earthquake is impressing me huge.....

[mulester7]

.....a strapped K2 will stay on each mini-barn....the channel of Earthquake impressed me pushing both subs at 2, sounded more natural with two channels pushing the subs at normal 4, but two strapped K2's just decided the matter quite handily....

[mulester7]

.....sorry to be wishy-washy concerning the K2's....I'm in uncharted waters, and taking it as it comes....the Earthquake sounds better all the time on the main's regiment as I get used to it being as clean as it is....it honestly takes some getting used to, as it blows away any amp I have ever had or heard....I now am listening without the 10k cut on the pre-amp....channels of the Earthquake sounded very good on the subs, but SVS knows what they are doing as they recommend the Crown K-Series for subs....I am hoping the small cannons will sound best with the K2's also....we'll see, but Gentlemen, I assure you, an Earthquake on the main's regiment is hard to beat, with clean authoritative low-end to burn.......

[Sheep]

Mule,

Are you gunna keep rambling on about this amp or are you gunna get to work amd make the small canons? ;)

SheepStar

[mulester7]

Mule,

Are you gunna keep rambling on about this amp or are you gunna get to work and make the small canons? ;)

SheepStar.....Sheep, the amp is worthy of much rambling, I assure you....good point, I need to make the boxes for the 10 inch Infinity's and get to thumping....but I need to get carpeting on the floor, frame out for the rugs on the wall, get another Earthquake 5, at least three more pairs of speakers, and a camera....mercy, where to start?....

[Sheep]

.....Sheep, the amp is worthy of much rambling, I assure you....good point, I need to make the boxes for the 10 inch Infinity's and get to thumping....but I need to get carpeting on the floor, frame out for the rugs on the wall, get another Earthquake 5, at least three more pairs of speakers, and a camera....mercy, where to start?....

Derrr what?

Why do you need all those speakers, and another amp? Didn't you have a 5.1 system already? or are you upgrading?

SheepStar

[mulester7]

Derrr what?

Why do you need all those speakers, and another amp? Didn't you have a 5.1 system already? or are you upgrading?

SheepStar.....SheepStar, I'm going to end up with a 10.4 system....and, if you assign by frequency response, I guess it could be a 12.2....I'll have a "Tower of Presence" from the rear up high, with four speakers involved shooting presence to the front soundstage....I also plan to have two centers in the front, high and low of my screen, with my 36 inch Mitsubishi behind the screen to save bulb time on the projector....what I'm excited about, is the projector I'm looking at that upconverts to 1080 inside the projector....when I input from a DVD player that has 1080 also, I'll get double refining of 1080....and, from the projector, I'll get 1080 with cable TV, and 1080 with my gamebox......

[mulester7]

.....thinking about the small cannons, here's something I'm going to try....I'm going to try a "dead-spot" between the subs and the small cannons of at least 10 cycles, and more probably 15....I'll top-cut the subs at about 50, and bottom-cut the small cannons at say 60-65....if the small cannons are extremely descriptive and I don't miss too bad with the box size, they should sound great all the way to the bottom of 60-65....then, you accent that, with a slight dead-spot, with tons of sub from 50 down, are ya' with me?....thanks again, WmAx, for steering me to the tuneable Infinity element with three choices to adjust the woofer's damping for the Q factor of the box....and yes, Chris and Sheep, that is assuming a box is ever built, haha........

[Duffinator]

.....get another Earthquake 5, at least three more pairs of speakers, and a camera....mercy, where to start?....I just looked up the Earthquake amp, impressive boat anchor to be sure. I'm surprised you can still type after lifting that monster. So Mule, what happened to the inexpensive amps you have been advocating? (I can't remember the manufacturer but I have the link saved at home). So I'm guessing you either won the lottery or sold that train load of coal on Christmas day and pocket'd the money? ;) Congratulations on your new toy!

[mulester7]

So Mule, what happened to the inexpensive amps you have been advocating? (I can't remember the manufacturer but I have the link saved at home)......The Duffinator, there's quality all the way up the price ladder of amps....I am thrilled to have this monster for the sound quality at moderate levels mainly....it's brought a new realism to my experience with amps.....

[mulester7]

.....good grief, this thread was on the third page at the bottom....the Earthquake only sounds better....I had the rears in series, getting mono, going against the mains wired normally, getting stereo left and right....it was good, but will be much better applied from the rear tower of presence I plan....good amp....understatement......

[Sheep]

.....good grief, this thread was on the third page at the bottom....the Earthquake only sounds better....I had the rears in series, getting mono, going against the mains wired normally, getting stereo left and right....it was good, but will be much better applied from the rear tower of presence I plan....good amp....understatement......

Mule, If you want to find your thread easily, Just go to your profile, then click threads you started, then click on this one.

SheepStar

[mulester7]

Mule, If you want to find your thread easily, Just go to your profile, then click threads you started, then click on this one.

SheepStar.....Sheep, I've seen that click but didn't think of that....good help there.....

[rolyasm]

Hey Mule. I am glad you love the Earthquake. I can't wait to get one myself. What processor or receiver are you using in your system? You have a lot of speakers going and only a few receivers are even 10.1 rated. Curious how your are orchestrating this phenomenon.
Roly

[mulester7]

Hey Mule. I am glad you love the Earthquake. I can't wait to get one myself. What processor or receiver are you using in your system? You have a lot of speakers going and only a few receivers are even 10.1 rated. Curious how your are orchestrating this phenomenon.
Roly.....Roly, a couple of Behringer DCX 2496's will give you 12 XLR outputs, frequency-cut top or bottom however you choose, to go to dedicated slave power.....

.....Guys, I just got the small cannons finished....being the King of Procrastination I are bees, I went ahead and ordered sealed boxes online, rather than getting some built by probably the year 2011....building some wouldn't have been a problem, but holding a gun to my head to do so, might have been hazardous to my health....anyway, here are the boxes and the elements used....on the first link, click on "click here to see several enlarged images, scroll to the bottom image, and you see the hole in the middle of the magnet structure where the HEAVY cylindrical insert with a 1/2 inch hole in the middle goes in, to tune the Q factor of the box you choose....one insert is about two inches tall, and the other is about three inches tall....for the sealed box I chose, the smaller one is advised....

http://www.cardomain.com/item/INFPERFECT10DVQ?ref=bizrdf

.....here is the boxes I chose, think larger than what you'll see at 15 inches tall, and I like them a lot as they look most decent.....

http://www.cardomain.com/item/QLCQLH6510SS

....I will be hitting the boxes with a strapped Crown K2 on each one....I know that's more watts than the element is rated, but I don't have to twist the gain wide open, do I?....and, the voice and punch from a strapped amp has already been established in my mind with my subs concerning pushing the low end, soooo, I doubt I will think differently after exploring all options, but we'll see....I have already listened to them with the 4 ohm dual voice-coils of the Infinity element wired in series for an 8 ohm presentation with the K2's strapped, and I don't think that is the wiring I will end up with....I don't get the punch I want with the series wiring, and the low end is not there as I would like it down to about 60 hz, where the sub will take over....I will try the strapped amp to only one set of voice-coils later this morning, and the strapped amp will see the 4 ohm voice-coil as a 2 ohm load....I can't wire the dual voice-coils in parallel which would be a 2 ohm load presented, because the stapped amp would see a load of 1 ohm, and the Crown K2 is not 1 ohm stable like some car amps are, and I firmly believe the voice derived from a strapped amp for low end applications is a precedent with me....but once again, I'm swimming in uncharted waters, with woofer range, let's say 225 hz down to 60 hz....I'm hoping one voice coil and the strapped amp will get me home, and I believe it will, because the results of the series wiring is actuallly closer than I've maybe made it sound....the Infinity elements were the same price for one or two voice-coils, so nothing will be wasted....more later, as if someone cares, haha....it appears I stand a good chance to not be called to ride a train this weekend, so what else have I got to do than be here with you buncha' tin-eared Neanderthals?....huh?.....

.....and Rolyasm, let me assure you, concerning 5 channels of amplification for main's regiment speakers, with this Earthquake Cinnenova 5 Channel Amplifier, "I'm done" concerning 5 channels of amplifying....good grief, how I've learned to love this amp....unbelievably clean and clear, and that's as loud as you may want to get, period, with the amp never getting anything more than barely warm....but, the component in my system that I cherish and believe in the most, is still my McIntosh solid-state pre-amp....who knows, I may try a tubed Mac pre-amp one day, but I feel no sense of urgency....what a product, and you can get them used, cheap....have a good day Gentlemen, because, this is the day The Lord hath made, and I will rejoice and be glad in it.....

[mulester7]

.....Esteemed Colleagues, I ain't tried all the combinations and variations quite yet with these small cannons as I'm still gonna' give two channels of Earthquake an audition, but I'll tell ya' right now, ya'll might as well go ahead and throw your stuff in the river and claim it got stole.....

[WmAx]

...I will try the strapped amp to only one set of voice-coils later this morning, and the strapped amp will see the 4 ohm voice-coil as a 2 ohm load....I can't wire the dual voice-coils in parallel which would be a 2 ohm load presented,

I'm not sure what you are doing here, but if you are planning on running the sub woofers with only one of the voice coils operating, be aware that power handling and SPL will be reduced by some degree, and the Q of the driver will be altered. But you can negate the Q alteration by shorting the unused coil.

-Chris

[mulester7]

I'm not sure what you are doing here, but if you are planning on running the sub woofers with only one of the voice coils operating, be aware that power handling and SPL will be reduced by some degree, and the Q of the driver will be altered. But you can negate the Q alteration by shorting the unused coil.

-Chris.....WmAx, what I'm doing is trying all combinations with the small cannons elements and amplification to arrive at the best result of sound quality....as to using one voice-coil instead of two, I always felt it was the amount of linear excursion movement allowed by the length of the voice-coil/(s), going against the spider....both versions of the Infinity Kappa Perfect 10, one voice-coil or two, are rated at 400 watts, and have a three inch length stated for the voice-coil/(s)....I won't be shorting the unused voice-coil, because without a doubt, I've found the best sound quality for this subwoofer element being used in woofer range, comes from paralleling both 4 ohm voice-coils for an ohmage load of 2 ohms being presented to one side of an unstrapped amp that is 2 ohm stable for both sides.....

.....I want you Guys to see one of the inserts that makes this speaker element tunable per the Q factor of the box, depending on the size of the box, and whether it's sealed or vented....and, to remove one of these inserts, Buddy, you better have one hand on the speaker element as you pull, or the entire structure comes up into the air....the insert is metal, appears to be stainless steel, maybe not, and the magnet structure of the speaker element grabs and holds an insert with MUCH force....click on "click here to view several enlarged images", then scroll to the bottom one....yes, this one is different from the other day, and you'll actually see an example of the Q insert....the one shown is the smaller one, and through listening comparison for woofer range, it's the one you want for the .65 cu. ft. sealed box.....


http://www.cardomain.com/item/INFPERFECT10VQ

[mulester7]

.....well, I'm going to pull the Mac amp out of storage and try it on the front mains with K2 flavoring for crispness the Mac sadly lacks....and, I'm beginning to think Earthquake, for two sets of small cannons, and, my mini-barns "paralleled" on the outside channel of the Earthquake next to the case that has vents in the case for air "drawn", from a 9 inch cage fan on low, outside, that's also blowing into and between two K2's about 3 inches apart....TDeluce, I'm going to have 5 channels pooled at 1000 each, waiting for five views of a two-ohmed deer out in the bushes....may BE a fire, Guys, haha....yeah, two sets of small cannons....a ten inch element in a type 1 sealed box sitting by a floorstander front main with both on the mini-barn, with the "high" small cannon covering about 175 hz down to about 110, and a 12 incher on the floor just inside each mini-barn, blasting oscillations of low bass from about 110 hz down to "around" 50-60, up toward the listening position....low bass, bottom-cut at about 60, not sub-range actually, low bass....here's what's going to be the sweet part, I can already say from having the 10's on the floor for a test, I will be able to "see", with the 12's, the oscillations as per "concussion", and I don't mean with ears bleeding, at all....not sure on the 12's as to box to get....type 1 sealed gets exactly one cubic foot internal....the type 2 box is 1.25 feet, and has the option of remaining sealed or venting....I will stay sealed with either box, and I think I will order one of each, then I would hear both and only have one more to get, and could stick a lesser element that's still quality in the spurned cabinet and sell it to some kid out of the paper, haha.....Brian has called two sets of small cannons "excentric" about 7 times, WmAx just says I'm nuts....but....while all that may be true, lettin' real good amps just sit around drawin' dust ain't neat, is it?....all this clear as mud?....huh?....

[mulester7]

......well, I spent a very pleasant evening last night with the McIntosh MC2200 back on the front mains....my usual listening, rather, the listening I do the most, is actually background listening from cable TV while I'm online....I turn around and watch when something is said that could prove to be interesting, but mainly just listen as I watch the computer screen....my cable TV watching includes a LOT of TVLand, The Food Channel some, The Weather Channel some, and a little History Channel....right off the bat with the Mac back on the front mains, I noticed the music and dialogue seemed simply "more live"....I guess it took the pilgrimage through the land of crispness and damping factor short-decay to hear that.....it has been suggested to me by someone I respect highly that "crispness" is actually distortion, but I say it is a pleasant form of distortion if the dose is small enough, and crispness dwells in the highs....Guys, that's the area I notice the differences in quality amps by different manufacturers, the highs....I have no idea whether to wind my watch or climb a tree at this point with my system, but the Mac 2200 will stay on the front mains....I have been listening to the "high" small cannons sitting beside the front mains on top of the mini-barns, from about 175 hz top-cut, bottom-cut at about 60 powered by two channels of Earthquake....mighty sweet, mighty clean, mighty sweet....I am going to persue the two sets of small cannons with 12's on the floor....my limiting factor at this point is waiting for Behringer DCX 2496's to become available in May....I firmly believe the Earthquake amps are wonderful with the right speakers, but with my speakers, it appears it could end up being McIntosh full on the main's regiment....and, for my applications, the Earthquake with the 40-plus POUND transformer, THD of .006 at 2 ohm loads, and over 95 db's of channel seperation, I suspect will best serve me on low demands of linear excursion with ultra-clean sheer power that's lightening quick....I will try the K2's on the surrounds and rears, and the best application for the mini-barns "could" be strapped K2's, but, it appears it's the K2's that could be moved out....few will probably read this, but hey, I know I can count on Gene and Clint....bless them boys' hearts, they try hard, but they need us to talk to them and help them learn some stuff, haha......

[Buckle-meister]

...few will probably read this...

Oh I don't know. Some of us just lurk. ;)

[race4aliving]

Oh I don't know. Some of us just lurk. ;)
Hey, I resemble that remark but, I always did sit in the back row in class.

[mulester7]

.....question about capacitors....Guys, when you click a slave amp OFF and the music or dialogue continues for a short moment, is that the capacitors releasing or draining?.....

[silversurfer]

.....question about capacitors....Guys, when you click a slave amp OFF and the music or dialogue continues for a short moment, is that the capacitors releasing or draining?.....
Yup. Capacitors draining stored energy.

[mulester7]

Yup. Capacitors draining stored energy......ok, thanks, SilverSurfer....the Earthquake is now powering the high small cannons top-cut at 150 as I wait on FedUp for the 12's and boxes, and DCX's....at lower levels of listening, like TV for background, when I click all the amps off and click the Earthquake last, the high small cannons continue to put out solidly normal for sometimes five or six seconds....would that be decent capacitors?.....

[race4aliving]

My Accuphase will do the same thing.

[Duffinator]

Hey Mule, did you ever post pictures of your small cannons once they were completed? Maybe I missed them in another thread?

[mulester7]

......Esteemed Colleagues, I am so very fortunate....I have six main's regiment speakers on the way, two McIntosh amps on the way, a 250 foot roll of speaker wire on the way, two Behringer DCX 2496's soon to be ordered, two bass seperate 15's and boxes to order soon, and I'll be eating saltine crackers and water for years, haha....will report......

[mulester7]

.....Race4aLiving, that Accuphase must have good capacitors and transformer....The Duffinator, all I got is a camera phone....you wouldn't be able to tell a speaker from the dog....sorry to both of you to have missed these two posts back in April, (wow, I must be gettin' old)......

[mulester7]

.....well, two boxes showed up on my porch today....one was little and contained spices, and the other big enough to contain a riding lawnmower....inside is two amps and three wooden cabinets....the box probably weighs better than 225 pounds....I slowly and gently rolled it end-over-end through the front door into the formal living room only enough to shut the front door, and there she sits....I was whupped from gently letting it sit down each roll....will open it soon, and transfer downstairs by two-wheeler via the business elevator.....

[malvado78]

Mule I was under the impression you had a film camera. You could take pictures with that and have Walmart put them on a CD for you. I been visiting the this website since last april and ever since you got the barns I have been sitting in anticipation of seeing those twins. Then the small cannons. PLEASE. Please. Snap those pics and post them.

Brad

[mulester7]

Mule I was under the impression you had a film camera. You could take pictures with that and have Walmart put them on a CD for you. I been visiting the this website since last april and ever since you got the barns I have been sitting in anticipation of seeing those twins. Then the small cannons. PLEASE. Please. Snap those pics and post them.

Brad.....Brad, that's hard to argue with, you worm, haha....of course just kidding....my theater was/is hacked out of storage area in the basement of the house I grew up in, that suffered two inch deep water one time from the hot water heater busting....for about 12 hours....different colors of worthless carpet in the theater....if I do say so though, real good equipment is being employed as I accumulate used stuff.....this MC126 six-channel amp is just been hooked up powering my surrounds, as my MC2200 kicks the front mains....McIntosh "presence" has now been made whole in my theater with the MC126, as my MC2105 is in the shop....diction so crisp and bold you want to shout hallelujah....I'll try to do something on pictures, Brad, but I've never downloaded anything to the hard drive and then pulled it back up and all that....you know....I'm a computer illiterate by choice....I ain't gonna' try to figure something out on the computer for two days......

[mulester7]

.....I'm beginning to wonder if it's a good idea to strap "any" amp, or parallel "any" two speakers....more authority comes, but I think the overall "presence" in the sound chamber suffers....the natural presence seems to leave, because it does.....

[mulester7]

.....you Guys with bi-ampable/wireable speakers, humor me....let's acknowledge the fact when bi-amped, there are two seperate amp sections going through two seperate, (would have to be seperate), crossover sections, (think fire), to get to the high and low of the elements....and, when bi-wiring or using the strapping bars on the terminals, why wouldn't those crossover sections and all attached to them be paralleled?....I suggest listening to just the bi-ampable/wireable speakers you have, and see if you prefer bi-amping from a presence standpoint against strapping....don't think loudness or authority....think natural sounding presence....not strapping is quite probably a move for better overall presence in the sound chamber....sometimes the mains getting hit with strapped amps with all other speakers naturally amped can sound good too....oh, the dilemmas of life......

[WmAx]

I am convinced that you will not be satisfed until you eventually cover your entire front wall with subwoofers, ranging from 10 x 8", 8 x 12", 6 x 15", 4 x 18" and 4 x 22" just for good measure. I suspect you will have to have a second main wired to your house from the pole just to power the 30 kilowatts of amplifiers you will surely have......

:D

-Chris

[malvado78]

.....Brad, that's hard to argue with, you worm, haha....of course just kidding....my theater was/is hacked out of storage area in the basement of the house I grew up in, that suffered two inch deep water one time from the hot water heater busting....for about 12 hours....different colors of worthless carpet in the theater....if I do say so though, real good equipment is being employed as I accumulate used stuff.....this MC126 six-channel amp is just been hooked up powering my surrounds, as my MC2200 kicks the front mains....McIntosh "presence" has now been made whole in my theater with the MC126, as my MC2105 is in the shop....diction so crisp and bold you want to shout hallelujah....I'll try to do something on pictures, Brad, but I've never downloaded anything to the hard drive and then pulled it back up and all that....you know....I'm a computer illiterate by choice....I ain't gonna' try to figure something out on the computer for two days......

Just giving you a hard time Mule. But if you can thats great, if you can't you can't.

I am convinced that you will not be satisfed until you eventually cover your entire front wall with subwoofers, ranging from 10 x 8", 8 x 12", 6 x 15", 4 x 18" and 4 x 22" just for good measure. I suspect you will have to have a second main wired to your house from the pole just to power the 30 kilowatts of amplifiers you will surely have......



-Chris

This is hilarious and I would bet that maybe he'd be happy then. At least for a month right?

[mulester7]

.....Guys, with this MC126 six-channel amp, you DO lose a natural presence when you strap any one of the three internal stereo amp sections....this is a Bose trick in some sub/cube set-ups, but Bose then adds special eq'ing on the top and bottom of the bumped full-range signals....it's still a sight short of the imaging and +/- range of speakers we own, but it sure sells a lot of cubes, don't it?, haha.......

[mulester7]

I am convinced that you will not be satisfed until you eventually cover your entire front wall with subwoofers, ranging from 10 x 8", 8 x 12", 6 x 15", 4 x 18" and 4 x 22" just for good measure. I suspect you will have to have a second main wired to your house from the pole just to power the 30 kilowatts of amplifiers you will surely have......

:D

-Chris.....Chris, I believe it's going to be 2 10's sitting on mini-barns, 2 12's sitting on a skeletal wooden stand above the inside woofer of each mini-barn, and one 15 on the floor in the dead center....12's, 15, and mini-barns being kicked by the Earthquake 5.....

[mulester7]

Just giving you a hard time Mule. But if you can thats great, if you can't you can't.....Malvado, I promise, at some point, I'm going to post pictures....I just ordered a Spiderman watch that has a camera onboard for $19.95 shipped....great snaps soon, haha....you guys would be asking if the picture was a fish-tank or a pickup truck....

[mulester7]

I am convinced that you will not be satisfed until you eventually cover your entire front wall with subwoofers, ranging from 10 x 8", 8 x 12", 6 x 15", 4 x 18" and 4 x 22" just for good measure. I suspect you will have to have a second main wired to your house from the pole just to power the 30 kilowatts of amplifiers you will surely have......

:D

-Chris.....well....there "is" a sub-station just past this small patch of pine trees behind me....would need about 150 foot of double .00001 gauge .....

[mulester7]

.....Guys, this MC126 amp I believe is dated about 2000-2001 when it came out, and I'm very thankful someone decided to let it go and it be bought used by me....what the vintage amps add is very good, but if I had to choose one or the other, I would choose the modern Mc amps for the much more transparent sound quality....some day I may try modern Mc amps all around 12 stops, but I suspect I'll still have two channels somewhere supported by a vintage amp for the airy pronounced dialogue.....I'm extremely proud of what the sound quality is becoming in my theater chamber....you take the urge to say bright, away from some speakers with a lot of damping to lessen the bounces off hard surfaces....it's really a matter of how much room brilliance do you need to let come into play....and lastly, it's probably better that basketballs are round....all I got......

[mulester7]

.....Nick....you're a strong advocate of correct damping on speakers along with Mtrycrafts....let me ask both of you this....was the element which was hurting your ears when you cranked your system, taken care of, by damping the speakers and losing that taxing brilliance on top of the highs?.....

[Duffinator]

Mule, still no pictures??? I bet I can get Sheep, Mac, and Buck to chip in with me to buy you a digital camera. ;)

[mulester7]

Mule, still no pictures??? I bet I can get Sheep, Mac, and Buck to chip in with me to buy you a digital camera. ;).....The Duffinator, what we need to do, is chip in on making sure Brian gets to keep his D200 body....if he keeps his, I'll get a D200 also, and call on Mr. Plastic.....

.....(not much room left on mr. plastic, either).....


.....edit....Spiderman watch W/camera onboard due anytime....a nickel less than a $20 to my door....can I find a deal or what?.....

[mulester7]

.....Gentlemen, if your significant other is taking care of the bills every month full-time, and you trust her with every nickel, your other is truly significant....years of shell-shock in my case....anyhow, since I'm reporting my system here until some pictures can mean something, let me comment on amps....they have a presence....different brands have different presenceseses....pre-amps have a presence, and there's where the most effect for "live presence", "can", lay for the total effort, in the pre-amp, probably 75%....that's what you've got to try to listen for when you compare two components....their presence....does it sound more live than the other one?....the term audiophile is misleading....people think one of them varmints has special hearing that other's don't....cannon fodder....the longer you've been in the hobby, actively involved, coming up with new equipment at least every now and then, the more you learn what to listen, "FOR"....and I think that's as far as gifted special hearing goes....

[mulester7]

.....and I'll say this....to do all this hearing I'm talking about, your speakers hold the key, imo....speakers that are wonderfully descriptive and able to image 'till Tuesday sure make the hearing easier....I didn't really get serious with this stuff until I got that first pair of 52 pound bookshelves from Morro Bay Bob, so I've only been serious about three years.....but sure, I had receivers and seperates for 35 years before these three....I guess it's all cumulative....

[Duffinator]

.....and I'll say this....to do all this hearing I'm talking about, your speakers hold the key, imo....speakers that are wonderfully descriptive and able to image 'till Tuesday sure make the hearing easier....I didn't really get serious with this stuff until I got that first pair of 52 pound bookshelves from Morro Bay Bob, so I've only been serious about three years.....but sure, I had receivers and seperates for 35 years before these three....I guess it's all cumulative....Speakers hold the key....now were talking my language. I was messing around with my vintage ADS L810's over the long weekend and decided to throw them into my HT to see what they sounded like with a sub handling the lower frequencies. Holy moly was I enjoying music like never before with my system. Speakers do make a big difference and I can hear much more return on my audio dollar with speakers than I can with amp and sources.

[mulester7]

Speakers hold the key....now were talking my language.

Speakers do make a big difference and I can hear much more return on my audio dollar with speakers than I can with amp and sources......yes, yes, The Duffinator....sorry I missed this one yesterday....I guess I was layin' around tryin' to recover from the gay threads.....

.....with my system, I'm in limbo until the Behringer dcx 2496's are in stock at outlets....all those years I was using the Mc pre and 2 Mc amps, I wondered if there was something else out there that could smash the Mc equipment flat....I'm beginning to see McIntosh is somewhat in a class by itself for the presence it presents....I had a friend named David come over the other night to help me lift some stuff and move some stuff out of the theater....I fired up my present four speaker system of 2 mains and 2 surrounds pushed by Mc, and chose Star Wars 1 for the listening and viewing....David listened for about 5 minutes and asked me to turn it down....he then said, "mule, you just don't realize how this sounds"...."you listen to it on a regular basis and are used to it"....I humbly nodded my head, while my shadow was doing cartwheels....Speaker Art speakers damped correctly with McIntosh pushing, what a combo......

[Sheep]

Mule, still no pictures??? I bet I can get Sheep, Mac, and Buck to chip in with me to buy you a digital camera. ;)

Mac is no longer with us. ;)

SheepStar

[Sheep]

Speakers hold the key....now were talking my language. I was messing around with my vintage ADS L810's over the long weekend and decided to throw them into my HT to see what they sounded like with a sub handling the lower frequencies. Holy moly was I enjoying music like never before with my system. Speakers do make a big difference and I can hear much more return on my audio dollar with speakers than I can with amp and sources.


Leave em hooked up when the CD arrives (Haven't mailed it yet, been busy :o ).

BTW, only listen to it when your wife kids, and pets are not around.

SheepStar

[Duffinator]

Leave em hooked up when the CD arrives (Haven't mailed it yet, been busy :o ).

BTW, only listen to it when your wife kids, and pets are not around.

SheepStarThanks for the tip.

[mulester7]

.....got a pair of SpeakerArt custom 52 pound Super Clef bookshelves in yesterday from Morro Bay Bob that have MDT 33 tweeters going against the 8 inch 205R woofers....they'll be used as presence rears sitting sideways on top of my present SpeakerArt TL front mains which will be sitting on a bar in the rear of the room....they will be front-hinged to the rear TL's and tilted a little down toward the sweet spot of the chamber, pushed by a used McIntosh MC2105.....two Behringer DCX 2496's next to order....two more SpeakerArt TL's in cherry cabinets are soon to come I traded a new Placette pre-amp for that will be front mains....then will come two more SpeakerArt Super Clef's in cherry that will be high and low front centers in exchange for a virtually new Crown K2....slow and steady.....

http://www.speakerart.com/

.....second picture down....
http://shows.soundstagelive.com/shows/ces2002/daily_jan_10.shtml