Secrets reviews SVS bookshelf system

droeses58

droeses58

Audioholic
They do look nice!

One question though, why does the EU have them put plugs in the speaker connects?
 
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silversurfer

Senior Audioholic
Not a whole lot of meat in the review, and the measurements are a bit unconventional.

I would rather see one of the SoundStage sites do a review, like GoodSound, along with measurements they do at the NRC. They also often give references/comparisons to other speakers they have reviewed.

All Johnny Johnson said was they sound good.
 
MacManNM

MacManNM

Banned
Yeah

They look pretty well built though (for being made in china). I like the way the tweets are flush mounted, it gives the apperance of really good fit and finish. I don't know why they would make the enclosures sealed though. with that, you almost HAVE to set the LFE to ~100Hz.


Droeeses:
I believe those are just dust covers.
 
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j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Review said an 80Hz x-over would work with them. It's not a very detailed review, but it is a good indicator.

droeses58 said:
They do look nice!

One question though, why does the EU have them put plugs in the speaker connects?
Because they have power plugs that look the same.
 

Buckle-meister

Audioholic Field Marshall
droeses58 said:
...why does the EU have them put plugs in the speaker connects?
Bear in mind that I've no idea if this is correct, but I remember reading years ago when plugs were introduced that it was an attempt to steer consumers away from using bananna plugs because they could conceivably tempt small children to insert them into mains wall outlets. :(

Whilst the EU mandates that the plugs be used, manufacturers can get around it by making them removable. Using a blade-like object, one can prise the plugs out and use connections as normal. ;)

j_garcia said:
Because they have power plugs that look the same.
Eh?

Regards
 
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Tex-amp

Senior Audioholic
MacManNM said:
Yeah

I don't know why they would make the enclosures sealed though. with that, you almost HAVE to set the LFE to ~100Hz.

I think I read they made them sealed for ease of placement with no port to worry about.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Buckle-meister said:
That's what I read. The concern is that there could be some confusion between these sockets and power sockets, more likely along the lines of what you mentioned, but I read one article somewhere that said there were some kind of old power outlets that look similar to banana jacks (can't verify that myself; it is second hand info).
 
MacManNM

MacManNM

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j_garcia said:
That's what I read. The concern is that there could be some confusion between these sockets and power sockets, more likely along the lines of what you mentioned, but I read one article somewhere that said there were some kind of old power outlets that look similar to banana jacks (can't verify that myself; it is second hand info).

Prob for euro outlets.
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
MacManNM said:
Prob for euro outlets.
It is. My Energy C-1s had rubber cones stuffed into them. Pain in the asstronaut to get out.

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SteveQuenton

Audiophyte
I don't think I've ever seen a "review" with less to say about the speakers! That was more like a press release and a movie review, complete with pictures. Is anyone else reviewing the system? Audioholics?
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
SteveQuenton said:
I don't think I've ever seen a "review" with less to say about the speakers! That was more like a press release and a movie review, complete with pictures. Is anyone else reviewing the system? Audioholics?
Audioholics has these aswell. Be patient ;)

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Tex-amp

Senior Audioholic
j_garcia said:
Review said an 80Hz x-over would work with them. It's not a very detailed review, but it is a good indicator.
Did you catch the reviewer's use of a question mark at the end of that sentence? "Say about 80 Hz?"

If they are nearly 4% THD at 100hz. Maybe 100Hz is already pushing it?
 
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MDS

Audioholic Spartan
I'm sure they do sound good and the price is certainly attractive, but I just can't get past the low sensitivity.

Another thing I would like to see is surround speakers that are of the wedge shape like most bi/dipoles, regardless of whether they are mono/di/bipole. I don't really like the idea of square bookshelves mounted on the side walls.

If they were to make the speakers 90 dB or greater sensitivity and have options for different surround speakers, I would be interested - even if the price were increased a couple of hundred bucks.
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
I'd figure 100Hz would be about right for them. They are supposedly -3dB at 68Hz. A THX 80Hz x-over should work well with them, and for non-THX systems, 100 might work better.

I'm sure they do sound good and the price is certainly attractive, but I just can't get past the low sensitivity.
What's wrong with it? To me it means you can use a bigger amp with them and get very good results.
 
edwelly

edwelly

Full Audioholic
j_garcia said:
What's wrong with it? To me it means you can use a bigger amp with them and get very good results.
I would think the this type of system is not being marketed towards people who own large amps - Just my $0.02
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
edwelly said:
I would think the this type of system is not being marketed towards people who own large amps - Just my $0.02
True, and on the other side of that, I wouldn't expect people with 200wpc amps to be looking at something like this set either; however I'd say if you paired them up with a decent receiver, maybe in the $600-700 range, it would be a nice setup. The review recommended 75-125W. Ron at SVS said they've pushed them with a 200wpc amp and they were fine.
 
T2T

T2T

Senior Audioholic
j_garcia said:
That's what I read. The concern is that there could be some confusion between these sockets and power sockets, more likely along the lines of what you mentioned, but I read one article somewhere that said there were some kind of old power outlets that look similar to banana jacks (can't verify that myself; it is second hand info).
I've read the same thing, too. Fortunately, the plugs can be knocked out so one can use banana plugs, if they desire.

Now ... off to check the review out. :)
 
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Ron Stimpson

Manufacturer
All,

Actually the list is something like a 50watt mono block set, a 75WPC slimline receiver, a 125 watt high quality receiver, and a Crown K1 with about 500WPC. Each pushed to its or the speakers limits, and then some. Keep in mind this is SVS, we TRY to break stuff, because we know a customer might try too (even if by accident ;^).

All worked exceptionally well, without exception. These speakers are NOT as sensitive as some out there. To which we say, BFD. Being the loudest with any given amp was never even on our list of priorities for this product. You want good sounding or loud? ;^) These are both, with virtually any sort of mainstream power. Guaranteed. You won't get "loud" with a 15 WPC flyweight tube amp, maybe (we didn't use one of those in development AFAIK), but short of that sort of amp no one is going to think their rig isn't powerful enough with speakers like this. I'll personally coordinate their return shipping if that ever happened.

It won't.

And the anechoic FR coupled with the typical slope of a bass management crossover at 80hz and a subwoofer that's equally flat up that high, you will have zero gap in overlapping response. Certainly you can do a 100Hz setting without a problem (it'll just mean your subwoofer placement would best be up near your front sound stage) but 80hz is equally without issue. The chart below was done on the final pre-production unit right off the line. It's exactly what we wanted to design. Deeper response would have been possible but was utterly unnecessary for a speaker designed from the start to be mated to a high quality sub (and would have required other compromises).



I'm wailing on a stereo pair (with PB10-ISD) right now (in the next room over from my office, it's too loud in there) as part of our continued effort to try and break something (we smoked a couple tweeters early in the year IIRC but I don't recall anyone did it once our crossovers were optimized). The $239 slim-line receiver is driving them as loud and as clean as I could want that's for sure. The room is about 2,500ft3 and I've run them to full reference level without incident (though I was using a Denon 3805 for the most recent test with War of the Worlds, not the slim-line AVR I'm using in stereo mode right now).

Of course I'm just a tad biased but you can imagine if we felt real-world sensitivity was in the least an issue we'd not have ever gone to production that's for sure. We took zero risks on this launch in that regart, that I can promise.

We'll see what Audioholic's own review sessions reveal, but don't be too shocked if they also report that the powerhandling is a non-issue, either on the high or low end of what they might lash them to. Today in any case, having surplus power is far more likely than not enough amongst the $1,000 demographic that's snapping these up. One beta user, and one reviewer both said the same thing so far. Exactly as we predicted. Audioholics and a group at Sound and Vision have a set to do their worst to and it'll only be a short while I'm sure before anyone calls BS on anything I've stated.

Ron
SVS
 
Sheep

Sheep

Audioholic Warlord
Just out of curiosity,

What other speaker designs are you working on? Tower, Bi, Di, etc ?

Or is that a no no ;)

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