Yamaha5890 Vs Pioneer1015

[zapper130]

Just bought the Yamaha HTR-5890 and was difficult to set up & navigate the system, finally the system was set up and watched a coupled of DVD one of them was “Batman” picked this particular movie for the sound & acoustic etc. but since it was hard to navigate thru the Yamaha, decided to exchange it for the Pioneer 1015TX . The Pioneer was an easy set up and so was the navigation thru any mode.

After I watched the same scenes on Batman realized that the Yamaha receiver had a better wrap around sound affect then the Pioneer and according to the Pioneer write up on CNET as a 7.7 and that it suppose to have the same chip on DTS and DD as the theater’s I am sort of dumfounded. How can the Yamaha sound better when the Pioneer suppose to have better write up? Searched the internet for any Pro reviews or any reviews on the Yamaha, and could not find one. :confused:

The speakers that I am using are the Polk Front L/R Rt800i, Center CS400i, Surround sides FX500i and surround back’s FX50i.

The only difference that I can see is that the Yammy’s are 30 watts more per Channel and it has a few more bells and whistles then the Pioneer.

Has any one compared the difference between these two receivers??? Why so much difference in sound when I am using the same speakers at the same volume and range etc.:eek:

Any ideas would be appreciated or theories.

[brian32672]

Theory would be, if you are using the auto setup. THEY WILL BE DIFFERENT.
Sorry that would actually be fact.

Have you tried level matching with a SPL meter?
That should have much closer sound for the 2. But neither will sound 100% alike.

[mike c]

i read somewhere that the 1015 doesnt have that good of an amp section (means less power than it was rated)

add that to the 30w more the yamaha has, maybe your speakers just need more power.
edit: this might not be accurate because the 5890 is rated at 140wpc 1khz 10%thd

i also found the yamaha to be hard to navigate (at first), now i can't even change brands because im so used to the yamaha and complain that the OTHER brands are harder to navigate. so its all about getting used to something.

http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/HTIB/HTR5890.htm

if you cant find pro reviews of the 5890, maybe you should look at rx-v757 (or 750) reviews, i think they are similar.

[zapper130]

Thanks for your fast replies. It dawn on me to see what crutchfield had to say about how to pick up a A/V receiver and what to look for, found out something that I was not fully aware of. I am quoting from Crutchfield.

"In general, the louder you like to listen, the larger your room , and the less efficient your speakers are , the more power you need. As you shop for receivers, however, keep in mind that even if you don't listen loud, you may
still want more powerful amplifier. In Fact, the biggest benefit of higher power isn't volume, it's increased dynamics and improved sound quality!

It seem that I might have accidently ran across my own question by fate. Increased dynamics and improved sound quality. ????

[Nomo]

Not really a fair comparision. The 1015 gives a little better competition to the Yamaha 5860. But I'd still take the Yamaha given those choices.

[zapper130]

NOMO, please clarify the choices, is it the more AMPS, over the Pioneer 1015?

[Nomo]

For me it comes down to more features. And I've also read, only read mind you, that the amp section of the Pioneer is slightly lacking. Although I doubt the 10 - 20 watt difference is going to be extremely noticable.

[zapper130]

Thank's NOMO

Currently looking at each receivers bandwith, so see what the difference are and if significant to switch to the Yamaha. I agree with you the Yamaha has more to offer for future development etc.

[j_garcia]

A buddy of mine compared the two and the 5890 was the winner, hands down. I've tried the 1014 myself just to see if the hype was warranted (which it wasn't) and I'd also have to say go with the 5890.

[agarwalro]

i also found the yamaha to be hard to navigate (at first),... so its all about getting used to something. I too went through a similar experience. But since I first went into the setup menu, I have become more familiar with the menu organization and it does not seem so bad now. I had a hard time accepting the fact that moving the pointer to "SET" in the menu and exiting is the save operation and I still do.

The only other gripe I have is that the pre-outs dont work in the "Pure Direct" mode. I can hear a marked improvement in sound when compared to the "2Ch Stereo" mode so I use it whenever I am listening to CDs, but the subwoofer is sitting idle.

[j_garcia]

Not sure about Pure Direct, but Source Direct on my 8300 means all bass management and tone controls are bypassed. That means, all your speakers are set to large, and though the sub is still set to yes, if you listen to a CD, which is stereo (in other words, no .1 track), the sub will get no signal. I'm not sure if that is affected by using the "both" option for bass on the Yammie.

[agarwalro]

The "Both" option is used when you want to use bass management for the center and surrounds but want mains to get full range signal, when using multi-channel source.

[j_garcia]

The "Both" option is used when you want to use bass management for the center and surrounds but want mains to get full range signal, when using multi-channel source.

I understand that, but I was wondering whether or not it still worked when Pure Direct is on? Does that only apply to a multichannel source? It should still apply to stereo as well.

[GlocksRock]

I understand that, but I was wondering whether or not it still worked when Pure Direct is on? Does that only apply to a multichannel source? It should still apply to stereo as well.
When pure direct is on, all video circuitry is shutdown including the display on the receiver, and all audio processing is off. No signal is sent to the subwoofer, and your two main speakers will be playing full range.

[zapper130]

Thanks, for your feedback and will be going back with the Yamaha, since it sounded better to my ears and that's what matters the most, my perception. it should had been a no brainer" It sounded Great":D

[S.R. Johnson]

i read somewhere that the 1015 doesnt have that good of an amp section (means less power than it was rated)

I will have to agree to disagree on that statement. I previously had a Yamaha 440 and it was an awesome little receiver, but it was laking power and a warm sound that will mate with my speakers. So I got the 1015 and their was a big difference in sound!!! But I would have gotten the THX yamaha reciever, but I wanted a THX receiver for a lower price so I picked the Pioneer instead. :cool:

[zapper130]

Well I am back with the Yamaha 5890 and already having problems with something that should be easy as pie, well not for me. Thought that it would be easy to just put the FM antenna and away we go listening to music, wrong:confused:

Have read the manual and having difficulties on getting any sound, I mean el Zippo, nada, zip, zero:mad: What in the heck am I doing wrong with something that should be easy as apple pie??????

[Nomo]

Whoa! Slow down. Take a breath!:D What's not working?

[zapper130]

Well for starter I am not getting any sound from the FM tuner and recently found out that also neither from the DVD mode, but sound is coming out from the Direct Tv hook up.

Hopefully will just shut down the Yamaha 5890 and restart from scratch and perhaps everything will work again. :o

For some reason or another having difficulties with this receiver, have had Onkyo, Aiwa, and some other receivers but not as complicated to set up as this one, but once I have it set up the sound is great. That's the trick with this receiver, hard set up, for me anyway's.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.:D

[S.R. Johnson]

zapper dont feel bad, when i got my first 1015, it did the same thing, so i took it back to Best Try and they gave me a new one. Plus I am glad I bought the 4 yr PSP. Where did you get yours at?

[Takeereasy]

I have a suggestion or two for the cause of lack of sound with your DVD player. You may need to correctly assign the digital input. I'm not sure what the default connection for DVD players is on the 2500. I tried to download the manual but I'm having trouble with pdf documents right now. How do you have yours connected? I know the default on my Marantz was an optical one, and since I use digital coax connections I had to go in and correctly assign the input. Also is DTS enabled on your DVD player? Many DVD players still come from the factory with this option disabled, and you have to do into an onscreen menu to trun it on. I doubt this is the cause but just in case pop in a dolby digital dvd and see if you get better results.

As for the tuner I've only got one idea. Tuners in most receivers suck. You may not be able to pick up any stations with your receiver. My receiver had a $1300 US MSRP and it can only tune in one station at my house. The $20 alarm clock radio lying next to my bed it gets at least 10 stations. You wouldn't get static if this is the case, just silence.