I need help with crossover frequency

[weezz]

I currently have a Yamaha HTR-5760 av reciever (please look it up on the yamaha website if necessary)
and a sony SA-VE367T home theater speaker system (really look this one up on the sony website)
my speakers are small satellites, the enclosure type is bass reflex
the frequency range is 100hz-27,000hz

my active subwoofer is bass reflex
the reproduction frequency range is 26hz-200hz
also the subwoofer has a volume knob, bass-boost knob, and phase switch
but it doesn't have a crossover frequency knob on it.

My question is, since it seems that my reciever only have a crossover frequency selector of 40,60,80,100,110,120,160, and 200hz, which frequency should I use??? (i heard alot of people say 80hz is a recommended crossover frequency, but thats for only THX systems, right??? can that apply for me also???)
and also how should i set the subwoofer volume on my reciever?
and also how should i set the volume on my subwoofer?
and how should i set the volume on my bass-boost?
I dont have a spl meter or a dvd audio test disc, so i have to do this by ear, i'll get those things soon!!!
also i notice something (this is for people with a yamaha reciever that has a ypao, or whoever understands this) when i use the ypao it sets my LFE/BASS OUT to both
i dont know why it does that, why don't it just set it to subwoofer.
but i guess it does that bcuz the satellite speaker enclosure type is
bass-reflex. prove me wrong if im wrong on that one.

I know this way to much!!!
But can u please help me with every question so that i can fix this problem plz.

[s2pdname]

my speakers are small satellites, the enclosure type is bass reflex the frequency range is 100hz-27,000hz

My question is, since it seems that my reciever only have a crossover frequency selector of 40,60,80,100,110,120,160, and 200hz, which frequency should I use??? (i heard alot of people say 80hz is a recommended crossover frequency, but thats for only THX systems, right??? can that apply for me also???)
and also how should i set the subwoofer volume on my reciever?
and also how should i set the volume on my subwoofer?
and how should i set the volume on my bass-boost?
I dont have a spl meter or a dvd audio test disc, so i have to do this by ear, i'll get those things soon!!!


I am not familiar with your system or the YPAO, but I will try to address the crossover issue until someone with more specific knowledge chimes in. Because the bottom of the cubes FR is 100hz, it doesn't make sense to set the x-over below that. So, no, the "THX rule of thumb" would not be optimal for your system.

If you set the crossover at 80, your system will not reproduce the sounds between 80 (top provided to sub) and 100 (bottom capable of sats). I would use the 120 setting as a starting point, and if you can really localize the sub, you could then back it off to 110.

Good luck!

[Clint DeBoer]

I concur. My starting point would be 120Hz.

[weezz]

thx 4 da repliez!!
ok i put it to 120hz on the reciever, it sounds cool but for some reason i might change it to 110hz!!!
so waht about the volumes i mention!!!

and also how should i set the subwoofer volume on my reciever?
and also how should i set the volume on my subwoofer?
and how should i set the volume on my bass-boost?

also since i dont have a crossover switch on my subwoofer, is that bad??? compared to the subwoofers that have them???

[mulester7]

thx 4 da repliez!!
ok i put it to 120hz on the reciever, it sounds cool but for some reason i might change it to 110hz!!!
so waht about the volumes i mention!!!

and also how should i set the subwoofer volume on my reciever?
and also how should i set the volume on my subwoofer?
and how should i set the volume on my bass-boost?

also since i dont have a crossover switch on my subwoofer, is that bad??? compared to the subwoofers that have them???.....three answers in one....set it to where it sounds best to Weezz, he paid for the stuff.....

.....and, no, you don't need a crossover setting on the sub, the signal is being cut by the receiver....and, lucky you, in the range you are probably going to settle in, you have 10 db increments for choosing.....

[weezz]

.....three answers in one....set it to where it sounds best to Weezz, he paid for the stuff.....

.....and, no, you don't need a crossover setting on the sub, the signal is being cut by the receiver....and, lucky you, in the range you are probably going to settle in, you have 10 db increments for choosing.....



U c the thing is that the way i have it set, I dont think its at its best so, or in other words i dont think i set it right so... thatz why i am askin yall, if you was in my shoes

[s2pdname]

U c the thing is that the way i have it set, I dont think its at its best so, or in other words i dont think i set it right so... thatz why i am askin yall, if you was in my shoes


If they were my shoes, they would be heading to RS to get an SPL meter. ;)

Mulester is right, you should set the volumes the way that it sounds the best to you. Then after getting an SPL meter and a calibration disc, you can tinker and fine tune and calibrate for hours on end.

Most importantly....have fun! :D

[mulester7]

Most importantly....have fun! :D.....absolutely, S2pdname, that's what this hobby is all about as with any hobby.....

.....Weezz, one last thing....if all that has been suggested doesn't bring the sound you want from your sub, as a last resort, check the bass tone controls set at the receiver that were probably set considering the mains regiment, (mains, mids, surrounds, and rears).....

.....with the sub cranking at an acceptable level of volume, adjust the bass tone controls of the receiver at least approaching "FLAT"....now, with a knob on the front of a two-channel receiver, that is usually high-noon....on the read-out screen of a surround receiver, I believe that's "0", with + or - counts on both sides....somebody better back me up on the surround receiver settings though.....

[mkossler]

Mulie,

For the 5760, the best bet is to use the OSD and enter setup mode> manual setup. This will only display via s-video or composite connection, the 5760 doesn't support OSD via the component level connections.

Under the speaker input option, one can use the remote's arrow selector to cycle to the subwoofer - the display looks like what you'd get for balance/fade in a basic car reciever - a line of hash marks that have "flat" somewhere near the middle. Not terribly user-friendly.

If weezz runs the YPAO auto-setup I virtually guarantee that it will set his subwoofer distance to farther than it actually is from his listening position, and the crossover to 120Hz or 160Hz.

Weezz,
I would set the sub volume to 1/2 on the sub itself, then run YPAO auto-setup. Then I would go into the manual setup, fix the sub distance and set the crossover to 120Hz. Given the rolloff you're likely to get from your main speakers, that crossover frequency is likely to give you the best (flattest) coverage in the mid-range between the mains and sub. You can always go in afterwards and adjust the crossover up and down to see if a different setting subjectively appeals to you more. An SPL meter reading will confirm the best objective setting.

After that, you can play some music or movie scene you are familiar with (make sure the movie is Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS 5.1 at least, and play it in "straight" mode), and if you need more low-end, let the sub's internal amplifier do the work by turning it up slightly. If it (the sub) is too loud, turn the level down in the receiver to make sure you're making the most efficient use of the receiver's power.

Lastly, you can try the "bass boost" to see if it provides some improvement, really as a last option to achieve enough volume from the sub.

Good luck ! :)

Cheers,
Matty K

[mulester7]

Mulie,

For the 5760, the best bet is to use the OSD and enter setup mode> manual setup. This will only display via s-video or composite connection, the 5760 doesn't support OSD via the component level connections.

Under the speaker input option, one can use the remote's arrow selector to cycle to the subwoofer - the display looks like what you'd get for balance/fade in a basic car reciever - a line of hash marks that have "flat" somewhere near the middle. Not terribly user-friendly.

If weezz runs the YPAO auto-setup I virtually guarantee that it will set his subwoofer distance to farther than it actually is from his listening position, and the crossover to 120Hz or 160Hz.

Weezz,
I would set the sub volume to 1/2 on the sub itself, then run YPAO auto-setup. Then I would go into the manual setup, fix the sub distance and set the crossover to 120Hz. Given the rolloff you're likely to get from your main speakers, that crossover frequency is likely to give you the best (flattest) coverage in the mid-range between the mains and sub. You can always go in afterwards and adjust the crossover up and down to see if a different setting subjectively appeals to you more. An SPL meter reading will confirm the best objective setting.

After that, you can play some music or movie scene you are familiar with (make sure the movie is Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS 5.1 at least, and play it in "straight" mode), and if you need more low-end, let the sub's internal amplifier do the work by turning it up slightly. If it (the sub) is too loud, turn the level down in the receiver to make sure you're making the most efficient use of the receiver's power.

Lastly, you can try the "bass boost" to see if it provides some improvement, really as a last option to achieve enough volume from the sub.

Good luck ! :)

Cheers,
Matty K.....MKosslerie-ie-ie, made you get off that butt and tweak your stuff, didn't I?.....

.....Weezz, you've got plenty of stuff to work with posted today....including, your having your ears over an SPL Meter, but whatever....just keep in mind, the bass tone control hath ruined many a system....done with it, up until your report......

.....the ability to perceive spl levels is different from one human to the next human....even if they live in the same house, as far as location having a bearing....that SPL Meter ain't quite smart enough to tell me what I hear....I tried a friend's about 30 years ago, though....sure, it can help in regards of what MOST people consider the most acceptable settings on the gear....granted....but 30 years ago, the one I borrowed was used to give a reading of what I set with my ears what's for supper?.....

.....would love to hear a report of your dilemma resolved, Weezz......

[mulester7]

Mulie,

For the 5760, the best bet is to use the OSD and enter setup mode> manual setup. This will only display via s-video or composite connection, the 5760 doesn't support OSD via the component level connections.

Under the speaker input option, one can use the remote's arrow selector to cycle to the subwoofer - the display looks like what you'd get for balance/fade in a basic car reciever - a line of hash marks that have "flat" somewhere near the middle. Not terribly user-friendly.

If weezz runs the YPAO auto-setup I virtually guarantee that it will set his subwoofer distance to farther than it actually is from his listening position, and the crossover to 120Hz or 160Hz.

Weezz,
I would set the sub volume to 1/2 on the sub itself, then run YPAO auto-setup. Then I would go into the manual setup, fix the sub distance and set the crossover to 120Hz. Given the rolloff you're likely to get from your main speakers, that crossover frequency is likely to give you the best (flattest) coverage in the mid-range between the mains and sub. You can always go in afterwards and adjust the crossover up and down to see if a different setting subjectively appeals to you more. An SPL meter reading will confirm the best objective setting.

After that, you can play some music or movie scene you are familiar with (make sure the movie is Dolby Digital 5.1 or DTS 5.1 at least, and play it in "straight" mode), and if you need more low-end, let the sub's internal amplifier do the work by turning it up slightly. If it (the sub) is too loud, turn the level down in the receiver to make sure you're making the most efficient use of the receiver's power.

Lastly, you can try the "bass boost" to see if it provides some improvement, really as a last option to achieve enough volume from the sub.

Good luck ! :)

Cheers,
Matty K.....and Matty, this is Ronnie saying I thought your post was excellent, Sir....there is cream truly rising to the top in most of the forums here....sure would like to hear more about acceptable pulldown screens and screen projectors....I have never seen one, but have been told the image quality is excellent....I am encourged by that, considering times I've viewed slides....hillbilly awdeeyooofyile prices, please....no overkill.......

.....(silent y on awdeeyooofyile).....

[mkossler]

.....MKosslerie-ie-ie, made you get off that butt and tweak your stuff, didn't I?

Mulie-ie-ie,

Nope, it was the 20-39PCi that did that :D

But I love ya anyway, bra.

[mulester7]

Mulie-ie-ie,

Nope, it was the 20-39PCi that did that :D

But I love ya anyway, bra......you bet, bud....SVS can do such.....

[mulester7]

.....going out the door, and had to sign on and ask this....

.....could, "settling", for 60 or 80 hertz cut by the LFE feature, with the sub's crossover-setting, somewhere around Venus, require more compensation, more tweaking, and possibly, bring the need for an SPL Meter?.....stew on that one for awhile, Gentlemen.....

.....sure would like to open a restaurant and let some fine young people do the work....I may be gettin' old.....

.....(oops).....

.....BUCKLE-MEISTER, LISTEN UPP!, 'TIS A BRUTAL HIGHLANDS THRASHIN' YE'LL BE GETTIN'!!!!......

[mulester7]

.....could, "settling", for 60 or 80 hertz cut by the LFE feature, with the sub's crossover-setting somewhere around Venus, require more compensation, more tweaking, and possibly, bring the need for an SPL Meter?..........no comments?....so I don't even have to use my final question?....good enough....may this thread float down....yawn, nite.......

[Buckle-meister]

Ask Not, Get Not, Assign Honor.

It's like taking candy from a child. :)

p.s. Quoting oneself (refer to previous post) is, I believe, a sign of madness. (mum's the word ;) )

Regards

[mulester7]

It's like taking candy from a child. :)

p.s. Quoting oneself (refer to previous post) is, I believe, a sign of madness. (mum's the word ;) )

Regards.....Buckle-Meister, that signature means if you don't ask for something, for sure there's no way you will ever receive it, and to ask for something without honor applied to the asking, ain't neat....

.....now, as to my possible madness....Buckle, I'm probably loony as a fruitcake, but ain't we all a little?.....

[weezz]

sorry 4 da late post, i had work and school, and it kept me soooooo busy but im back (like anybody cares) so...

i just currently bought a different subwoofer cable (monster standard thx certified 16ft subwoofer cable (100sw) ) for $20, will thiz make a little difference or big difference in my subwoofer sound??? or is my standard regular subwoofer cable that came in my box is about the same as the other monster standard one???

wahtz the diversity between my regular subwoofer cable and the monster standard thx certified cable???

[Buckeyefan 1]

sorry 4 da late post, i had work and school, and it kept me soooooo busy but im back (like anybody cares) so...

i just currently bought a different subwoofer cable (monster standard thx certified 16ft subwoofer cable (100sw) ) for $20, will thiz make a little difference or big difference in my subwoofer sound??? or is my standard regular subwoofer cable that came in my box is about the same as the other monster standard one???

wahtz the diversity between my regular subwoofer cable and the monster standard thx certified cable???

I'm guessing you're lacking bass from your new sub? If so, try placing it in a corner. I wouldn't expect too much out of a 135 watt, 8" sony 13 lb HTIB sub. You've got way more receiver than sub. If you are happy with the satellites, ebay the sub and upgrade to a $200+ unit if budget permits. This is your sub, right?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?A=details&kw=SOSAVE367T&is=REG&Q=&O=productlist&sku=316926

I think this is Sony's replacement of that unit in a 5.1. Check out the sub specs. I'm betting it's the same or similar to yours.
Subwoofer Section
Speaker:
Subwoofer: SS-WMSP67
Speaker Unit: Approx. 8" x1
Speaker System: Bass Reflex

It (Monster thx cable) should make absolutely no difference from your regular sub cable. There is hardly any resistance in the signal from the receiver to the sub box. That signal is amplified at the sub, where the resistance would make the most difference. If the box is unopened, return the cable and buy yourself a few dvd's.

[weezz]

thanx for da reply!!!

You're right that is my speaker package but,
i have no HTIB,
its just a home theater speaker package
my reciever is a separate buy
Itz a Yamaha HTR-5760
i didnt know waht else to get at the time for a speaker package so I tried
this sa-ve367t
and therez not way i can taht cable bck bcuz i've had it for over the store policy period and itz open.

So your saying I'm better off using my regular subwoofer cable???

[weezz]

thanx for da reply!!!

You're right that is my speaker package but,
i have no HTIB,
its just a 7.1 home theater speaker package
my reciever is a separate buy
Itz a Yamaha HTR-5760
i didnt know waht else to get at the time for a speaker package so I tried
this sa-ve367t
and therez not way i can taht cable bck bcuz i've had it for over the store policy period and itz open.

So your saying I'm better off using my regular subwoofer cable???