DVD +R Question

[GaryZ06]

Hey guys.....I hope you can help me.When I record a DVD +R from my computer and then play them on my DVD player on my HT system about 50% of the time they will constantly freeze up and then play and freeze again all through out the disc.When I play them on my computer they are perfect and also are perfect on my brothers and parents DVD players older non progressive DVD players.....any suggestions? Thanks alot... :confused:

[Duffinator]

I record using DVD+R and also have compatability problems but I'm more like 5% of the time. I've found I have less compatability problems with brand name media like TDK and Sony. Try different brands of media and see if that helps any.

[GaryZ06]

I use Office Depot and Fuji.....It's just weird that they all work when played back on my computer and the other two DVD players.

[brian32672]

I use Ritek Ridata, and have not had a single problem with 3 dvd players. Also the DVD-R is a much more compatable disc. And should have less problems. Highly suggest you try DVD-R

[MACCA350]

Try 'Taiyo Yuden' disc's. I've had 100% success rate with them.

cheers:)

[brian32672]

Oh, here is a good place to see if there are compatability issues with certain media and certain dvd players. http://www.videohelp.com/

The bad thing with Taiyo Yuden's are, since they are not marked they have a tendency to be forged, lot of fakes. Also they are the most expensive disc. Good but expensive. I have had 100% succes on the 3 dvd players (actually 4) with Ritek's. Mine, mothers, stepfathers, my back-up dvd player.

[brian32672]

I use Office Depot and Fuji.....It's just weird that they all work when played back on my computer and the other two DVD players.

Oh, another thing. It might be a good idea to stay away from the unlabeled brands like Office Depot and specially CompUSA. The CompUSA discs, that I tried were cheap Princo discs, and I had about a 5% succes ratio. Use the program DVD Identifier, to get the actual manufactures code from the disc. To make sure you are using quality discs...

Thats my 2.

[GaryZ06]

I use Ritek Ridata, and have not had a single problem with 3 dvd players. Also the DVD-R is a much more compatable disc. And should have less problems. Highly suggest you try DVD-R
Thanks guys for the suggestions.....Tomorrow I will try the DVD-R's....I will let you guys know....Thanks again.

[brian32672]

Here is the cheapest place for the Ritek's that I have found. Always make sure you get the purple pack. NEVER THE BULK RED PACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
100 pack for 35.00 shipped 8x Ritek DVD-R http://www.blank-cd-cdr.com/ridatadvdr8x.html

[brian32672]

Curious what burner are you using. This as well could be a slight problem. The 2 Plextor's (PX-716A & PX-712A) that I use have major problems with Princo. However not a single problem with true Taiyo Yuden or Ritek's

[MACCA350]

I used to use Ritek GO4 DVD-R, they were the best until their quality dropped(something about Ritek changing their manufacturing plant). My denon 2200 is picky about read/transfer rates and started choking along with a number of other players including PS2's. Computer drives are more forgiving about poor read/transfer rates as they read much faster than players and have larger buffering.

I've burnt over 2000 TY DVD-R, and the've been played in at least 50 different players flawlessly not one skip during playback. Also the read/transfer rate is much better without any drops or poorly read sectors.

Many others have had the same problem with ritek and since changed to TY. Search here (http://www.videohelp.com/) , it is a great site for info and help.

brian32672 wrote:
The bad thing with Taiyo Yuden's are, since they are not marked they have a tendency to be forged, lot of fakes.

I buy from a wholesaler who purchases direct from Taiyo Yuden. Just make sure you purchase from a reputible company(not the local sunday market) and you should be fine.

Having said all that, what works for my setup may not work on yours.

cheers:)

[brian32672]

.....guys, I buy 100 Memorex 700mb 80 minute CD-R's at Sam's for about 24 bucks and 100 cases for about 13....tax makes it right at 40....is this acceptable?....are you guys now lying on the floor laughing?, haha.....I have a CD from quartet days, that I am trying to send to every nursing home in Arkansas.....

.....edit....the CD is best used right after meals to promote the patrons of the home to get up and go outside to walk off the meal.....

mulester are you asking for an opinion??? I actually use the Fugi CD-R's over the Riteks, I have found them a much better quality when error check is run on them after a burn.

However just the opposite with DVD-R, I find the Riteks with ever so minimal errors with a disc check.....

[GaryZ06]

Curious what burner are you using. This as well could be a slight problem. The 2 Plextor's (PX-716A & PX-712A) that I use have major problems with Princo. However not a single problem with true Taiyo Yuden or Ritek's
I just bought a HP laptop and use it to burn my disc's....

[brian32672]

mulester are you asking for an opinion??? I actually use the Fugi CD-R's over the Riteks, I have found them a much better quality when error check is run on them after a burn.

However just the opposite with DVD-R, I find the Riteks with ever so minimal errors with a disc check.....

Granted ALL should know that ALL!!!!! Discs will have some errors. Even factory pressed discs. This is normal for PIE Parity Inner Errors, However NO POE (outer errors are acceptable)....

[brian32672]

I just bought a HP laptop and use it to burn my disc's....

That being the case, you may want to try the HP DVD-R discs. However I did find them to be junk. But each burner has a recommended media list. Certainly the HP would recommend their own discs.

BTW, I have burnt about 3,800+ Riteks. And only about 5 coasters from those. (Power outages before I got Tripp-Lite power backup)

I have burnt well over 12,000+ discs But not all dvd's. I have tried about 20-25 different brands. So I speak from a novice point of view.....

[GaryZ06]

That being the case, you may want to try the HP DVD-R discs. However I did find them to be junk. But each burner has a recommended media list. Certainly the HP would recommend their own discs.

BTW, I have burnt about 3,800+ Riteks. And only about 5 coasters from those. (Power outages before I got Tripp-Lite power backup)

I have burnt well over 12,000+ discs But not all dvd's. I have tried about 20-25 different brands. So I speak from a novice point of view.....
I will try the Riteks(purple)....Where can I pick them up locally?...Best Buy,Circuit City, etc? Thanks again.

[brian32672]

I will try the Riteks(purple)....Where can I pick them up locally?...Best Buy,Circuit City, etc? Thanks again.

Not sure about locally, I have always bought them online. And it would certainly be cheaper that route. 35.00 for 100 Excellent quality discs. At the link I posted in the above post. If you do not buy online, then I really could not say. You could ask CompUSA/Circuit City if they could order you some, but if they did, they certainly would give about a 60% markup.

[GaryZ06]

Not sure about locally, I have always bought them online. And it would certainly be cheaper that route. 35.00 for 100 Excellent quality discs. At the link I posted in the above post. If you do not buy online, then I really could not say. You could ask CompUSA/Circuit City if they could order you some, but if they did, they certainly would give about a 60% markup.
I will check tomorrow and if I can't find them locally and in stock I will just order them online for $35.....Thanks again for your insight.

[brian32672]

The company I posted is very reputable. I have bought about 2500 of those discs from them. I have just started trying the 8X Riteks. But I find the Purple Pack 4X have the least errors. The quality control issues the other poster was speaking of, is more than likely the Bulk packs (usually red color packs) and these are of different quality and most have a different manufacturing code. So stay away from the bulk packs, usually this is the case with most brands. The have the least quality control on those discs....

Hope all of this has steered you into a correct direction. Remember I am a novice due to the fact I have only used about 20-25 brands. Others have used 100 brands and search for the best media at the best price. I had stopped at Riteks, for the price and quality. There are better ones, but at 4xplus times the price of these. You could try the G05's if you want to burn a little faster, But even these I burn at 4x.......

The Tayio's I used did burn at 16x. But then quality burns were starting to become an issue. You should try an error check program after a burn. You will not need to do this with the whole 100 pack. Just a few, the rest will be the same as long as they were burnt under the same conditions. (Speed, running programs, etc..)

[brian32672]

I just bought a HP laptop and use it to burn my disc's....

Also some good advice would be not to Burn on The Fly, specially with a laptop. It is better to put the file in a temp folder, to complete a dvd structure. I have tried both ways, and had only about a 85% success ratio with burn at once, or burn on the fly (they are a little different, but similar) When I have created a structure first, I have about a 99.9% success ratio.

[korgoth]

http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

this is the ratings for different media.

[brian32672]

http://www.digitalfaq.com/media/dvdmedia.htm

this is the ratings for different media.

I see on that list exactly what I was talking about on the Fake TY's
However the list left out Fake MCC's Which are horrible as well.
Real MCC (Mitsubishi Chemical Company) I feel are better than TY's.
However both are comparible in price, and are expensive for True discs.

[GaryZ06]

A little update.....Today I bought the Maxell DVD-R which are rated 1st class media and it keeps freezing up.Do you think my Sony DVD player is to sensitive? Remember when I play it back on my computer it is perfect.

[brian32672]

What speed are you burning at? Did you do a disc check to count the errors?

[brian32672]

Also what is the model # of the Sony DVD player?

[GaryZ06]

Also what is the model # of the Sony DVD player?
Sony DVP NS 725P
My laptop burns 8X .....I don't know how to check for errors...Remember it plays perfect on my laptop and the other DVD players.

[brian32672]

Sony DVP NS 725P
My laptop burns 8X .....I don't know how to check for errors...Remember it plays perfect on my laptop and the other DVD players.

Yes but remember, if your Sony is sensitive it will pick up on the errors if there are to many of them. The burner is less sensitve basically its where the laser is, not all are at same height, and some pickup correctable errors easier)

What program are you using, Nero has a error checking program. Also Pextools Pro. It will take about 8-10 minutes to do a full check.

I have included a pick of a recent Ritek RiData G05 (my G04's are usually even better) burn with the plextools, I stopped it early because I did not see any spikes. So it was a good burn. Maximum limit for errors is 280. The blue line represents errors. There is minimal on this disc (for all puposes its a perfect burn)

The second photo of Nero speed, I stole off the web (it is not one of my burns) Its just to show you what the program looks like.

Click on the images below to get a full size image.

I will check on that Sony in just a minute....

[brian32672]

Wow, the Sony is a cheaper (budget) model but it does support DVD-R & +R
So at this point, it must be the media you are using. Try to slow your burns to 4X.

Here is the page on your dvd player....
http://www.videohelp.com/dvdplayers.php?DVDnameid=2645&Search=Search&#comments

[GaryZ06]

I am using 1 Click DVD with DVD for Free(decryptor)

[brian32672]

Not sure on the 1 Click, I have not used it yet. (key word Not & yet)
I would recommend using these 3 programs in combination, if a dvd does not need to be shrunk, then you can skip that program. Make sure to try a 4X burn. Before using to many of those Maxells, if you only use 1-5 of a 50 pack-Sometimes the store will exchange or give you back your money-If you say that they are not working-Usually there is some type of gaurantee. The Riteks gaurantee for 75 days.


DVD Decrypter
DVD Shrink
Nero Ultra (make sure it has recode)

[brian32672]

Actually, you being in Pembroke Pines Florida, you are very close to me. I live in Sunrise Florida. If you want, you can call me. For the # just PM me.

[brian32672]

Gary,
Below is a picture of the disc that you picked out, and I will be sending to you. It shows that the error limit is a tad larger than I normally get but still is very minimal and you would not find any better. It was burnt at 4X. And should play in all of your dvd players.

The second picture is to show what a bad burn looks like. Well kinda bad. It shows that the blue line is all correctable errors, but are quite large blocks and a sensitive player as your Sony would more than likely not play this disc. However, it will play fine in most. And does play fine in my dvd players. It was a burn about 2 years ago, and was done on a Plextor 712 I beleive. With the first firmware for that model. Plextor as I told you, will consistently update their firmware to support more media and with better burns. Eventually that burner with the latest firmware, ended up being a superb burner.

What the second picture does not have and would be really considered a bad burn is POE (Parity Outer Errors) they would be in red. These are uncorrectable errors, and would lock-up in any player. As you see there are none of those. I have only had a few burns with these errors. And only with cheap media. I do not keep them for comparison, they have all been chucked in the garbage.

It was really nice to talk to another A/V holic. And maybe someday, I could come over and listen to that Velodyne sub. And vice/versa you could come audition my Acoustechs and a 120" screen.

Once the disc you send me gets here, I will check it immediately and get back with you on the results. And let you know, if you need another burner or a dvd player. You really lucked out by getting the Taiyo Yudens for that price. Like I said, you never really know what you are going to get, without putting it up on the dvd identifier.

As well, if you need some more computer advice, don't hesitate to call.

I will try to send this disc out later this afternoon.

[kiran_sham]

I am not sure how reliable this information is. But one of the gentleman at Frys electronics told this to me when I was buying a DVD recorder. He said that most DVD players are designed to play DVD-R and DVD-RW only. That is why DVD+R and DVD+RW is usually cheaper than their minus counterparts. But as I said before, I am not really sure how reliable this information is :)

[brian32672]

I am not sure how reliable this information is. But one of the gentleman at Frys electronics told this to me when I was buying a DVD recorder. He said that most DVD players are designed to play DVD-R and DVD-RW only. That is why DVD+R and DVD+RW is usually cheaper than their minus counterparts. But as I said before, I am not really sure how reliable this information is :)

This is unreliable information. Specially that DVD+R is cheaper. I can get -R cheaper of the same brand.

DVD players are not designed to play only DVD-R.
However, DVD-R is more compatable with more dvd players about 95% of the players in the last 5-6 years. To where DVD+R is compatable with about 80%

[GaryZ06]

Gary,
Below is a picture of the disc that you picked out, and I will be sending to you. It shows that the error limit is a tad larger than I normally get but still is very minimal and you would not find any better. It was burnt at 4X. And should play in all of your dvd players.

The second picture is to show what a bad burn looks like. Well kinda bad. It shows that the blue line is all correctable errors, but are quite large blocks and a sensitive player as your Sony would more than likely not play this disc. However, it will play fine in most. And does play fine in my dvd players. It was a burn about 2 years ago, and was done on a Plextor 712 I beleive. With the first firmware for that model. Plextor as I told you, will consistently update their firmware to support more media and with better burns. Eventually that burner with the latest firmware, ended up being a superb burner.

What the second picture does not have and would be really considered a bad burn is POE (Parity Outer Errors) they would be in red. These are uncorrectable errors, and would lock-up in any player. As you see there are none of those. I have only had a few burns with these errors. And only with cheap media. I do not keep them for comparison, they have all been chucked in the garbage.

It was really nice to talk to another A/V holic. And maybe someday, I could come over and listen to that Velodyne sub. And vice/versa you could come audition my Acoustechs and a 120" screen.

Once the disc you send me gets here, I will check it immediately and get back with you on the results. And let you know, if you need another burner or a dvd player. You really lucked out by getting the Taiyo Yudens for that price. Like I said, you never really know what you are going to get, without putting it up on the dvd identifier.

As well, if you need some more computer advice, don't hesitate to call.

I will try to send this disc out later this afternoon.
Yes Brian it was great talking to you yesterday....I can tell you one thing you know a lot more than me....You are a wealth of information.I will be sending out the two disc's tomorrow morning so we can find out the culprit.Again thanks so much for helping me and teaching some new things. :D

[korgoth]

dvd-r's and +r's will play in most dvd players, like they said -rs are more compatible, and a little cheaper, but they dont play in all dvd players without skipping

i also use mcc dvd-r media, and have a plextor burner, and they usually play fine with no skips at all.

my dvd player actually has not skipped once in about 1000 burns. but toshiba seems to be somewhat problematic. They have skipped in a number of those players.

[brian32672]

Ok Gary, here are the tests. and actually I tested the Taiyo Yuden twice with the same results. The Plextor Professional Error checking program is quite trustworthy.

The First pic is the Ritek That I sent you (same pic as above post) Burnt at 4X.

The second picture is your burn of the Maxell (G05) And even though there is 5 times the errors than on my burn, it is still acceptable. And should play in all your players. Here is the exact media code for that one.
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD-R:RITEKG05]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD-R] - [DVD-R]
Manufacturer Name : [Ritek Corp.]
Manufacturer ID : [RITEKG05]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,298,496 Sectors = 4,489.3MB = 4.38GB (4.71GB)]
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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** INFO : Data Below Is Formatted For www.VideoHelp.com/DVDmedia
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Present But Has Been Cleared To Zero
** INFO : Format 0Eh - Pre-Recorded Information In Lead-In
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Complete DVD Media Code =
00 00 00 00 01 40 80 12 23 00 52 00 02 b6 0e 11 .....@..#.R.....
98 9a 80 00 03 52 49 54 45 4b 47 00 04 30 35 00 .....RITEKG..05.
00 00 00 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 02 00 06 08 12 11 ................
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DVD Media Type=DVD-R
DVD Media Code=RITEKG05....

The third picture is of your true Taiyo Yuden Disc. Remember I checked this twice, with same results. There are POE errors, which are uncorrectable. And may have problems even in your parents player. Remember when I spoke with you I checked how far the spikes actually went, and they were above 1,000. But to be fair to all the media tried, I set error limit exactly what standards calls for which is 280. Actually I can not set the black line at 280 (the program has this set) I just showed them all at 300. Here is the exact media code for that disc.
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:YUDEN000-T02-000]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD-ROM]
Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [YUDEN000]
Media Type ID : [T02]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4,482.6MB = 4.38GB (4.70GB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x , 2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
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[ DVD Identifier - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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** INFO : Data Below Is Formatted For www.VideoHelp.com/DVDmedia
** INFO : 4-Byte Header Present But Has Been Cleared To Zero
** INFO : Format 11h - ADIP Information
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Complete DVD Media Code =
00 00 00 00 a1 0f 02 00 00 03 00 00 00 26 05 3f .............&.?
00 00 00 00 00 00 03 59 55 44 45 4e 30 30 30 54 .......YUDEN000T
30 32 00 38 23 54 37 10 02 4e 72 02 8c 63 16 16 02.8#T7..Nr..c..
0b 0b 0a 0a 01 19 1b 0c 0c 0c 0d 01 00 00 00 00 ................
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DVD Media Type=DVD+R
DVD Media Code=YUDEN000T02




So clearly you are not getting the best burns, but you are getting better burns with your Ritek media, So I suggest getting true Ritek RiData Branded G05. And since they all play in your parents, then I guess there is something wrong with the Sony, and its time to invest in another DVD player. Hope this has all helped.

[brian32672]

BTW enjoy Assault on Precinct 13, it should even play in your Sony.... :)