Pre-pro vs AVR again

[AcuDefTechGuy]

HTM just reviewed some high-end pre-pros. So I wanted to compare pre-pro vs AVR, again.

THD%/ Crosstalk/ SNR:

Parasound Halo P7 : 0.025/ 90.29/ 120.48
McIntosh MX121: 0.015/ 88/ 125.6
Cary Audio 12: 0.025/ 92/ 121
Classe CT-SSP: 0.007/ 102/ 122

Yamaha RX-A1010: 0.007/ 97/ 108.9

Conclusion: AVRs can measure as well and even better than some high-end pre-pros.

[3db]

HTM just reviewed some high-end pre-pros. So I wanted to compare pre-pro vs AVR, again.

THD%/ Crosstalk/ SNR:

Parasound Halo P7 : 0.025/ 90.29/ 120.48
McIntosh MX121: 0.015/ 88/ 125.6
Cary Audio 12: 0.025/ 92/ 121
Classe CT-SSP: 0.007/ 102/ 122

Yamaha RX-A1010: 0.007/ 97/ 108.9

Conclusion: AVRs can measure as well and even better than some high-end pre-pros.

Sure they can but what is the point to your post? All of these have impressive specs and none of them are slouches. All of them fall well below the threshold of hearing. Eliminating any one of them on specs alone isn't going to tell you whether or not your going to end up liking the device you choose. There's so much more than numbers at this point such as aesthetics, ease of use, resale, etc.

[billy p]

Useful or meaningful stats or just a bunch of meaningless numbers....

[Irvrobinson]

Useful or meaningful stats or just a bunch of meaningless numbers....

IMHO, as single values like this, mostly meaningless numbers. All of these vary by frequency or power level or other factors, so you need more complete measurements to get a better comparison.

That said, I doubt there are readily audible differences between any of these components. Any differences I've ever noticed between electronics have been of a very subtle nature, that usually manifested itself in how long I wanted my listening sessions to be. The better the longer. (Yeah, I know, that sounds dumb.)

[cpp]

Sure a AVR can measure as well as a pre-pro, but if a person wants to purchase a pre-pro, cool..

There's so much more than numbers at this point such as aesthetics, ease of use, resale, etc.

agree

[jonnythan]

I don't understand why someone like Denon or Onkyo doesn't release a budget pre-pro.

Take the 2112, remove the amp sections, sell it with an MSRP of $399.

[Adam]

I don't understand why someone like Denon or Onkyo doesn't release a budget pre-pro.

My guess - they've done the math and the profit margins just aren't there. They can probably sell a receiver with the same features and internal amps for less than the cost of a pre-pro because of economies of scale. The majority of customers don't want separates, so they make a lot of receivers...which drives down the unit cost.

[AcuDefTechGuy]

What is the cheapest pre-pro on the market? The Marantz? Or Integra? Or Emotiva. Street price, of course.

[jcl]

What is the cheapest pre-pro on the market? The Marantz? Or Integra? Or Emotiva. Street price, of course.

Stereo or 7.1?
For stereo I think Parasound's z-pre ~$400 is pretty low.

For 7.1 I think Emotiva's UMC-1 ~ $500 would be it.

[lsiberian]

I personally prefer a receiver I don't need external amps for my surrounds.