Denon avc-a1se(5800 US) or avc-a1sr(5803 US)

[Yamahaha]

Im planning on buying one of these and hooking it up with bluerayplayer with the 7.1 analog inputs(sound). And pic via hdmi.
Do I loose anything soundwise by doing this instead of taking the sound via hdmi?
How does these 2 amps do compared too todays amps?
Anything special I should have in mind when testing them?
What U think would be a fair price? Always hard with old amps.

Any input regarding these 2 amps is welcome.

Thanks.

[bandphan]

Im not sure either has HDMI. As for every thing else both are nice units, whats your budget?

[Yamahaha]

Im not sure either has HDMI. As for every thing else both are nice units, whats your budget?

I know neither has hdmi, thats why Im planning too hook it up via the 7.1 analog inputs for sound and take the pic via hdmi direct too the projector.

I have another question.
How does the amplifierstage in these too differ from the one in avc-a1hd?
I think its called 5303ci in the US, not sure.

I got an offer for about 1000$Us for the avc-a1sr. So around 1000$US is my budget.

[bandphan]

Both are power houses. I wouldnt think that the amp stages are different at all.

[Yamahaha]

Both are power houses. I wouldnt think that the amp stages are different at all.

So in theori the sound should differ that much if the bluerayplayer has some good D/Aconverters?

[bandphan]

So in theori the sound should differ that much if the bluerayplayer has some good D/Aconverters?

correct. Check out the Oppo bluray player.

[AVRat]

One thing to remember is that all processing is by-passed when the multi-channel inputs are used. Bass management would need to be done in the BD/DVD player and there would be no matrixing of a 5.1 soundtrack when using Dolby True HD/DTS-MA into the rear surrounds if you have them. Only a 7.1 discrete soundtrack would offer sound to the rears.

These are definitely excellent units, I own the 5800, as long as you’re running a 5.1 setup or could live with the standard DD/DTS soundtracks.

What speakers are you running and how large is your room? Where do you live?

[Yamahaha]

One thing to remember is that all processing is by-passed when the multi-channel inputs are used. Bass management would need to be done in the BD/DVD player and there would be no matrixing of a 5.1 soundtrack when using Dolby True HD/DTS-MA into the rear surrounds if you have them. Only a 7.1 discrete soundtrack would offer sound to the rears.

Are You sure?
Isnt that in the pure direct mode?
I thought it was like this.
In pure direct mode.
Signal from BRay -- preamp denon--ampsection denon--- speakers

In not pure direct mode
signal from BRay-- A/D converters--- processors/decoding-- D/Aconverters--preamp denon--ampsect denon--speakers

This is when using 7.1 analog input and letting the bluerayplayer do the decoding.

Speakers system is Audiopro Blue diamond.

[bandphan]

Are You sure?
Isnt that in the pure direct mode?
I thought it was like this.
In pure direct mode.
Signal from BRay -- preamp denon--ampsection denon--- speakers

In not pure direct mode
signal from BRay-- A/D converters--- processors/decoding-- D/Aconverters--preamp denon--ampsect denon--speakers

This is when using 7.1 analog input and letting the bluerayplayer do the decoding.

Speakers system is Audiopro Blue diamond.

It is correct.

[AVRat]

No, Pure direct/Direct, on most Denons, still use the bass management but turns off all other processing and only puts out a stereo(L/R) signal. PD/D is used when a digital signal is provided.

But you are correct that it works straight through unmolested.
Signal from BRay -- preamp denon--ampsection denon--- speakers