have you looked at the 4308 by denon?
I'm very very close to updating my set-up and I'm pretty much settling on the Yamaha's... I'm struggling a little though with justifying the extra $$$ for the 3800.
I'm interested in hooking up to the internet, but would prefer to do it wireless. Is there any way to make the 3800 work via wireless? I notice they have a blue tooth accesory, would that work?
I'm also curious, is it possible for these recievers to recieve firm/software upgrades via their network connection or RS232 connection?
and a final internet thought... if convergence devises like the AppleTV and SlingBox are around the corner, is there really any reason to push for ethernet connectivity in a reciever?
Look forward to people's thoughts on this subject...
have you looked at the 4308 by denon?
Ahhhh HAHAH! Mike that's funny, as I noticed your link took me to the "silver" model!
I did look at that model a long time ago (ok, a couple of weeks ago...) but it was ruled out due to my fixed budget. I've been granted $4k to rebuild the system. For that money I need a reciever, updated DVD/CD changer, Harmony Remote, 41-46" HD Television, and cables to connect it up (HDMI's)... So, items like a PS3 and future AppleTV (or other) convergence box will come next year/christmas. Based on that budget I'm sort of capped around $1500. ...and yes, I'm married to an accountant, so I most certainly will NOT be able to hide a couple of hundred here and there!
Thanks again for being super fast on the response!
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Get a less expensive receiver and add the apple TV or squeeze box 3 for the music streaming feature. From what I have read, the networking features built into most receivers can be difficult to setup and use. The AppleTV, however, has a very nice user interface and can also stream video, pictures, and download movies.
Depending on your application, a lower model like the Yamaga RX-V663 <$500 might work just as well and allow you to spend more on the speakers, sub, or room treatments.
I agree with your POV quite a lot, in fact that is why I asked the question. The main difference from the 1800 to the 3800 is 10W of power and networking and it just seems like the networking isn't all that nice, so I wondered if it was used for other things like firmware.
I also do fully believe that the internet convergenge boxes for Home Theatre useage is inevitable... XBox is doing it, AppleTV is doing it, I think PS3's are doing it or considering it, there si SqueezBox and others coming fast. So, if these boxes are done right and with the proper corporate support mechanisms (Microsoft, Blockbuster or Netflicks, Sony, Apple, etc) then we're going to start seeing a whole new category of components enter into our cabinets as streeming radio content, Movies, YouTube, blogs, podcasts, HD movies, and Television content will all open up via internet connection. Pay as you go, or subscriptions like Netflick will be a whole new arena...
So, then where does that leave your reciever in the mix? Why both paying for networking when the writing is on the wall that it will be coming via a new independant component that you simply plug in via HDMI or other digital connector.
Cool... So it seems like several people agree with my assessment that the ethernet thing may be an overated feature, but then nobody has spoken up about firmware updates?
Does anyone know if this is being done on these upper-mid level receivers? If so, how? I know that the 3800 and the Denon equivalent definitely have used the ethernet for updating, but what about the lines right below these?
It seems like it would significantly extend the life of these products if you could get firmware updates.
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That makes more sense on the updating. I had in my mind that with the constant swirl of DolbyHDTrueSoundTHXHDMI goble-de-gook processing standards, that these would be things that can be easily updated via a firmware update.
But, that of course would mean then that a customer could keep their old unit and not have to go buy a new one!!! and what company would wan that after all?!?
Well,, things I guess are getting more clear in that for the bang for the buck factor in my case, the 1800 makes the most sense.
I just need that last push to go and put the credit card down!
I love my RX-V1800, it does so much. I don't think I could have justified the extra money for the 3800, especially when I'm only using it as a pre/pro.
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