New receiver or new power amp?

[mtrycrafts]

no. 5 punchs himself in the eye[/SIZE])

Don't do that. Am I missing something in your posts? Not reading it correctly? Lets straighten it out.

[no. 5]

post #78

Sound quality is in the pre-amp section of the receiver. If the same receiver in question is used as the pre-amp for the added amp, it will sound exactly the same.

post #126

That is not surprising at all. Most likely all were biased observations. And testimonials, what would you expect from them?
Did any say they couldn't tell a difference when operated withing their design limits? I bet that didn't happen either.

I just skimed through the thread for some examples as to why I thought this thread seemd in favor of "all amps sound the same", it does not mean I was right in that impression, it's just how I came to it.

[RickT]

Wires? Tell us about the benefits of wires, please.
Components?

There's a zillion threads on this and a zillion other boards about this as well as every other conceivable option ... There's no point in debating them again here ... You either believe or you don't from your own experience ...

[no. 5]

Lets straighten it out.

deffintly agreed.

apon reflection, and skimming through all the posts, it almost seems like we may both hold the same view on the matter of an amplifiers contrabution (or lack there of) to what is heard, but we're going about it like two Red Sox fans that think the other is a Yankees fan.

if you could, please, what are your feelings as to an amplifiers affect on sound quality, and if all amps sound the same, or whatever elce.

[mtrycrafts]

deffintly agreed.

apon reflection, and skimming through all the posts, it almost seems like we may both hold the same view on the matter of an amplifiers contrabution (or lack there of) to what is heard, but we're going about it like two Red Sox fans that think the other is a Yankees fan.

if you could, please, what are your feelings as to an amplifiers affect on sound quality, and if all amps sound the same, or whatever elce.

Well, I wouldn't know about those two sport fans, I don't follow such sports

Firstly, ALL amps are not audibly the same. Your ABX link shows this. And, certainly I would not include a SET amp as well designed or sounding the same

Modern amps, well designed, operated in their design limits, properly level matched to .1 dB spl, and under DBT protocol most likely and will not be differentiated by sound alone. No reason.

[mtrycrafts]

You either believe or you don't from your own experience ...

Believe? Why does it come down to a belief? Why cannot it be demonstrated properly that wires sound audibly different? Because, comparable cables just don't. Nothing to do with a belief but what can be demonstrated.

[mtrycrafts]

I just skimed through the thread for some examples as to why I thought this thread seemd in favor of "all amps sound the same", it does not mean I was right in that impression, it's just how I came to it.

Understood but... Right now we are talking about a few, limited, well designed amps. We are a long way from comparing others

But, if a $300 ancient Yam and an $15k monoblock Pass Aleph 1.2 cannot be differentiated

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...d91bcb6a1522a0

We are still not including a lot of others that can be

[wire]

Understood but... Right now we are talking about a few, limited, well designed amps. We are a long way from comparing others

But, if a $300 ancient Yam and an $15k monoblock Pass Aleph 1.2 cannot be differentiated

http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...d91bcb6a1522a0

We are still not including a lot of others that can be

Hehe
I dont follow baseball ( spoiled baby's , get paid way to much and i cant support it ) .
Ive never heard a Pass Amp , But if sounds like a Yammy ( Yammy just doesnt sound good ) it's not worth the money .

[PENG]

There's a zillion threads on this and a zillion other boards about this as well as every other conceivable option ... There's no point in debating them again here ... You either believe or you don't from your own experience ...

I gave up debating it long time ago by accepting the possibilities that some people may hear certain type of difference while others may not. To a Blood Hound, there is a difference in smell among most things, but to a Chow Chow, the differences may not be as "smellable".

I read most of your posts, I thought you were enjoying debating it so far. Until now? I stopped, but I don't mind reading the debates so don't dispappoint me. Seriously I also feel there is no point debating this topic in terms of no one is going to prevail but it does a couple of things in such forums.

1. So that members looking for answers get to see view points from all sides, those who believe, those who don't and those who are not sure.

2. To people like me, it is entertainment, as well as educational. mtry tend to make statements that people may not like, but I learnt a few things from his posts. I also learnt a few things from cfrizz, a new member, I think.

[PENG]

There's a zillion threads on this and a zillion other boards about this as well as every other conceivable option ... There's no point in debating them again here ... You either believe or you don't from your own experience ...

I gave up debating this long time ago after accepting the possibilities that some people may hear certain types of difference while others may not. To a Blood Hound, there is a difference in smell among most things, but to a Chow Chow, the differences may not be as "smellable".

I read most of your posts, I thought you were enjoying debating this so far. Until now? I stopped, but I don't mind reading the debates so please don't dispappoint me. Seriously I also feel there is no point debating this topic in terms of no one is going to prevail, but I think it does a couple of good things.

1. So that members looking for answers get to see view points from all sides, those who believe, those who don't and those who are not sure.

2. To people like me, it is entertainment, as well as educational. mtry tend to make statements (occasionally..or rarely ) that people may not like, but I learnt a few things from his posts. Mostly recently I also learnt a couple of things (e.g. how a Joule meter works & how a not so heavy amp can be powerful) from cfrizz, a new member who offered suggestions. If I am not mistaken, cfrizz did not debate the amps sound same/differnece topic neither, just suggested the OP to go and try things out.